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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/28/2008 10:01:41 AM
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relady
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Did not know Lifeway books stores was SBC own, Yup, it's what used to be called the Baptist Book Store. They changed their name a few years back, and broadened some of the content they carry. I always figured they did this to broaden their customer base.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/28/2008 10:44:14 AM
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Did not know Lifeway books stores was SBC own, Yup, it's what used to be called the Baptist Book Store. They changed their name a few years back, and broadened some of the content they carry. I always figured they did this to broaden their customer base.
Does this mean you won't be shopping there?
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/28/2008 2:21:31 PM
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Don't forget the UMC has its own chain; it's called Cokesbury. Don't think they would carry any books by John Stott or John Donne.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/28/2008 3:51:24 PM
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More interesting of all is that Denominations doctrines do vary between countries, conventions and congregations..as I do come from traditional AG, Brazilian style I do embrace the same doctrinal standings as SBC does, reggarding women pastors. I do congregate in traditional Church of God, for now... 
Hello Sis..
I was wondering where in the Bible are women are forbidden to preach the word ?
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Lord have mercy, we must proclaim the Lord and His word.
The AG in Brazil are huge missionary proclaiming church and known for that and started humble places and kept proclaiming and I myself was born again in a Brazilian missionary church in Boston. Our proclaiming ladies may be called Missionaries, Evangelists in the traditional AG churches, still everybody in church are encouraged to be Evangelists and go proclaiming to reach out than you bring to 4 walls of the church and go out again etc .
In my language there is clear difference between to proclaim and to lead, guide and be head.
I do follow the order of Christ, man, woman.
Are you wondering still Loyal Gipsy?
Yep... but Thanks for the reply Sis ...and colliefan!!
I guess it would be off subject to contuine though
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/28/2008 5:45:31 PM
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relady
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Does this mean you won't be shopping there? Not necessarily, although they don't really carry much that I can't get at Borders or Amazon other than denomination-specific literature, which I don't have a need for. I do have a very nice Lifeway store very close to my home. They have some very nice Christian gifts, etc.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/28/2008 8:09:27 PM
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Yep... but Thanks for the reply Sis ...and colliefan!! I guess it would be off subject to contuine though
There is a seperate one-stop thread for this discussion
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/28/2008 9:16:33 PM
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I don't have a Lifeway near me and don't have a rooting interest but on the general issue of can a store choose not to sell something (like a magazine they theologically disagree with) put me down for an emphatic yes. Likewise if a potential customer does not agree with their choice to pull an item (such as said magazine) they can choose to shop elsewhere. Its the way of free enterprise and it works well for the most part, even considering the recent crisis.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/29/2008 5:04:36 PM
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colliefan
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most christian bookstores are super expensive. i don't give any of them my money.
agreed....remember the overhead needed to run a bookstore. The only times I use one is when I have an imediate need for a certain item.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/29/2008 8:44:11 PM
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Actually.. .....
little thing called the "search" feature can save you all kinds of "calories" in the form of words
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 9/30/2008 2:59:04 PM
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Actually.. .....
little thing called the "search" feature can save you all kinds of "calories" in the form of words
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Well, while I haven't been a member of the UMC for about 14 years now, my roots there run deep. I had a hunch that they weren't the book banning type...
Sure enough, a quick search of Cokesbury,com pulls up several books ( including commentaries) by Mr. Stott.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/6/2008 11:46:59 AM
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I'm with Peter Gunn here, the problem is consistency. I have no problem with a Catholic bookstore only selling material that fits their doctrine. I have no problem with Lifeway selling only what fits Southern Baptist doctrine either...so long as they apply it unilaterally. If they decide "prosperity theology" doesn't fit, then EVERY book/magazine etc. that teaches it should go. Likewise here...if women should not teach men, they need to apply it across the board. I hate to throw this word in there because it's so haphazardedly applied and misused but I have to wonder if race plays a part here? (Gospel Today magazine would be marketed toward African-American Christians primarily. I'm sure they're happy when white Christians/Hispanic Christians/etc. read it but they're geared towards that particular market.)
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/6/2008 11:49:32 AM
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Whether or not I agree with the SBC, their decision, or the way they handled this, the author's understanding of the first amendment is fundamentally flawed. The Bill of Rights describes limitations on THE GOVERNMENT and its abilities to control or limit, among other things, the press. It says nothing about a particular chain of stores choosing to carry or not carry a particular magazine.
-Dan.
I also agree with Dan. While I think it's shameful and cowardly the way they've handled this, they are within their rights as a private company to do so. Free speech has nothing to do with forcing anyone to sell or distribute something against their conscience.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/6/2008 12:05:24 PM
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Whether or not I agree with the SBC, their decision, or the way they handled this, the author's understanding of the first amendment is fundamentally flawed. The Bill of Rights describes limitations on THE GOVERNMENT and its abilities to control or limit, among other things, the press. It says nothing about a particular chain of stores choosing to carry or not carry a particular magazine.
-Dan.
I also agree with Dan. While I think it's shameful and cowardly the way they've handled this, they are within their rights as a private company to do so. Free speech has nothing to do with forcing anyone to sell or distribute something against their conscience.
Besides, their market base, SBC members, would give them fits for selling something against the average SBC member's convictions.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/6/2008 3:10:56 PM
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I'm with Peter Gunn here, the problem is consistency. I have no problem with a Catholic bookstore only selling material that fits their doctrine. I have no problem with Lifeway selling only what fits Southern Baptist doctrine either...so long as they apply it unilaterally. If they decide "prosperity theology" doesn't fit, then EVERY book/magazine etc. that teaches it should go. Likewise here...if women should not teach men, they need to apply it across the board. I hate to throw this word in there because it's so haphazardedly applied and misused but I have to wonder if race plays a part here? (Gospel Today magazine would be marketed toward African-American Christians primarily. I'm sure they're happy when white Christians/Hispanic Christians/etc. read it but they're geared towards that particular market.)
As a Southern Baptist i am greatly offended by you suggesting that my denomination, is racist. Becasue that is what you are saying. While Lifeway has its leaders who run it, ultimately it is run by the SBC. In saying that "race" had to do with why this mag was pulled, you are calling us all racist and frankly that just shows how much of a internet coward you really are. You probably would not be willing to say that my denomination was racist to my face, and thus that is what you are. Dont like calling me calling you a coward? Mods dont like it, then why can he call MY denomination cowardly? If the shoe fits, where it.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/6/2008 5:25:16 PM
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I'm with Peter Gunn here, the problem is consistency. I have no problem with a Catholic bookstore only selling material that fits their doctrine. I have no problem with Lifeway selling only what fits Southern Baptist doctrine either...so long as they apply it unilaterally. If they decide "prosperity theology" doesn't fit, then EVERY book/magazine etc. that teaches it should go. Likewise here...if women should not teach men, they need to apply it across the board. I hate to throw this word in there because it's so haphazardedly applied and misused but I have to wonder if race plays a part here? (Gospel Today magazine would be marketed toward African-American Christians primarily. I'm sure they're happy when white Christians/Hispanic Christians/etc. read it but they're geared towards that particular market.)
Gbrady would you like to clarify this? I (like Stephanos) read it as you are accusing the SBC of being racist. I do not see any evidence for your claim.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/12/2008 11:26:45 PM
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I don't understand how it can be racially motivated, because being a woman is not a race, but a gender.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/13/2008 4:18:51 AM
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I don't understand how it can be racially motivated, because being a woman is not a race, but a gender.
The person was referring to the fact that the magazine is targeted at the African-American audience and that most women "pastors" are African-American.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/14/2008 2:50:48 PM
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most women "pastors" are African-American.
Not in my experience they aren't. I've met female pastors from every race, and some from mixed races. That statement is as racist as anything I've read in this thread.
ETA: Why the quotes around the word pastor? I know quite a few women who would take that as a slam against their gender.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/14/2008 3:05:38 PM
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most women "pastors" are African-American.
Not in my experience they aren't. I've met female pastors from every race, and some from mixed races. That statement is as racist as anything I've read in this thread.
ETA: Why the quotes around the word pastor? I know quite a few women who would take that as a slam against their gender.
Nothing racist about it. Most of the women "pastors" I've seen or come into contact with are African-American. Then again, I live in an area where there are a lot of A.M.E. churches, so that could be the case. A better statement might be, most of the women "pastors" in the Southeast U.S. are African-American. There's nothing racist about that. Just an observation.
The quotes are because it's an unBiblical label for women, hence the pulling of the magazines.
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RE: Life Way Christian Stores Pull Gospel Today Magazine - 10/14/2008 3:12:52 PM
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JimboFletch
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most women "pastors" are African-American.
Not in my experience they aren't. I've met female pastors from every race, and some from mixed races. That statement is as racist as anything I've read in this thread.
ETA: Why the quotes around the word pastor? I know quite a few women who would take that as a slam against their gender.
I agree with you. The vast majority of women "pastors" that I've known or run across on the Internet have been white, including AME churches here in the deep South - they're generally Pentecostal or AoG.
And I used the quotes around pastor because I'm a Baptist that takes exception to women being pastors. I don't generally make an issue of it in other threads, but this IS about the Southern Baptist book stores.
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