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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 12:59:40 PM
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Sideways
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Yet, is this not what all denominations also do? Preach their "INTERPRETATION" of the bible?
Simmer down there, my friend. You've gotten way to overhyped about I said.
Of course, denominational churches preach their interpretation of the Bible. But being part of a denomination, you have a pretty reasonable idea of what that interpretation is, and how they came about it. So, you go into it with eyes open. Also, denominations are generally held accountable to a governing church body, so if a pastor goes way off the mark, that pastor is answerable to that authority.
Absolutely a non-denom pastor can honor God and forward His kingdom. I never said otherwise, and I'm not sure where you read that in my post, except that you were being extremely defensive. All I said was that in a non-denom church, the interpretation or doctrine is usually done by the pastor alone or a very small body of church elders. This can work fine, or it can leave the church wide open to abuse.
The phrase "up for grabs" meant that you really don't know what you're getting into, doctrinally, and of course because they "just teach the Bible", you can't argue with their doctrine, or else you're arguing with God Himself. That's just not somewhere I would want to tread, but that's me personally.
My parents have had trouble with attending non-denom churches, because around Atlanta they are thinly disguised Southern Baptist churches, without being under the authority of the Southern Baptist denomination. And my parents are most certainly not Southern Baptists, but they didn't know the true nature of the church starting out.
Plus, in one case, the Senior Pastor was caught having an affair with the Junior Pastor's wife. Both pastors resigned, leaving the Youth Pastor to run everything, and no interim Pastor to help keep the church afloat. The church collapsed overnight.
I suggested they try Methodist, which they liked, but they didn't like the formal liturgy, and they couldn't find one with a more contemporary service.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 1:36:54 PM
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DuckTalk
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Simmer down there, my friend. You've gotten way to overhyped about I said. No, don't get me wrong.....not overhyped or even hyped for that matter. In defense of that, I need to say that I am a very literal person & I respond to only what is in print. I do not read between the lines, nor do I read more into what is printed than the literal words & sentences.
I understand more what you are saying now. You have a basis for this & arguably a good one, too.
Clearly, it can work advantageously both ways & detrimentally both ways. As I said, it is our individual responsibility to discern the difference through scriptural education & prayer.
I suppose it is obvious now that I have no use for any denomination. The very meaning of the word "denomination" is a group who accepts & practices a particular religious belief. and I just can't find anything in the bible that refers to any single religion or denomination. The very meaning of "denomination" is the name by which one is called & identified. and I prefer to be known, called & identified as only a Christian.
If I joined a "denomination", I would actively be segregating myself from brothers & sisters in Christ & I can find absolutely no scripture backing this behavior. "Join", another word clearly indicative of seperation from others.
As long as God is soveriegn in my life, I heed to His commandments and honor Him in my walk with Him daily, I just don't get why I should call myself anything other than a Christian.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 1:46:16 PM
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Sideways
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If I joined a "denomination", I would actively be segregating myself from brothers & sisters in Christ & I can find absolutely no scripture backing this behavior. "Join", another word clearly indicative of seperation from others.
I consider all Christians to be my brothers and sisters. I am not separate from them, even though we have slightly different beliefs. So, to me, a denomination does not segregate the body of Christ, any more then joining ANY church does.
Two non-denom churches may have different styles of worship and even slightly different doctrines, but they are just as connected as I am with my brothers and sisters who worship in Baptist, Methodist, whatever churches.
After all, we can't all be members of norak's church.  So, we all join the church God calls us to join, and we all together work to forward God's kingdom. No segregation that I can see, unless it's through human sin, and sin is found in any church, denominational or not.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 3:01:49 PM
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DuckTalk
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I consider all Christians to be my brothers and sisters. I am not separate from them, even though we have slightly different beliefs. So, to me, a denomination does not segregate the body of Christ, any more then joining ANY church does. Precisely. Joining any church does declare a difference. Where there is a difference, there is no complete accord & until we all come together in one accord, we will continue to struggle with our differences. You see, it's not as easy as sinners & non-sinners because as you said, "sin is found in any church" & I add, as well as any man any where, so what is it that makes any religion more favored than~~~~ say...a believer who does not even go to church? I guess I am branching off now, but with respect, asking, do you think a person must even go to church to be reverent & close to God?
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ORIGINAL: SidewaysTwo non-denom churches may have different styles of worship and even slightly different doctrines, but they are just as connected as I am with my brothers and sisters who worship in Baptist, Methodist, whatever churches. Now, that is what I'm talking about! We all have slight or even some major differences, but we are connected as we are all His children.
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After all, we can't all be members of norak's church. So, we all join the church God calls us to join, and we all together work to forward God's kingdom. No segregation that I can see, unless it's through human sin, and sin is found in any church, denominational or not.
Norak believes in God, Norak does not believe in church, memberships or anything that promotes division & tries best to refrain from activities promoting such, but you are absolutely right, this is all that we can do this side of heaven. We do as we are called. I suppose it is like eating a meal in a different home. You may eat off of silver & china, where I choose paper plates. The crucial thing is not "how" we dine, but only "that" we dine.
I sometimes imagine if we were to wake in heaven tomorrow, that there will be at least someone from each denomination AND non-denomination AND probably even some that are not actively attending church to be seated right next to someone who has been involved in church since they cut their 1st teeth on the back of the pews.
Don't you?
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/26/2008 7:31:49 AM
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It is not the church, nor the denomination, nor the doctrine that decides which preacher is on target. It is God's call as to which man is truly being obedient to that call & scripturally correct and it is our individual accountability to be scripturally educated, God-centered, & prayerful, with a discerning heart to weed out the false teachers, BOTH denominational AND non-denominational.
VERY true...
Example: I attend a Baptist church here in Dallas. VERY strong biblical teaching....and, solid, as well. Great church, pastor and everything.
My inlaws church....they are another "Baptist Church"....VASTLY different from my church...."false teachings" have "littered" everything that church does, and what the pastor says. (their church have embraced the "teachings" of a somewhat well-known "teacher" of "Biblical Principles").....with very little regard to what the BIBLE actually says, or doesn't say about those "Teachings".......(meanwhile, any and ALL materials by the "teacher" their church "follows" have been strictly prohibited from being taught at MY church..due to the "false nature" of those teachings)
Westboro Baptist Church is yet another obvious example. It IS a "Baptist" church, right?
THUS....Denomination "labels" in the church's name is no guarantee of anything...other than the name on the door.
Kern,
WOW! Seems like you really have gotten a bad taste for the name "Baptist." I'm sorry for that, but on the oppsotie side of the fence I'm drawn to it, for it's been my experience that it's where you get good fundamental Bible teaching and preaching.
Is it possible for you the tell us who the false teacings are from in your in-laws church? thanks
Rick the Baptist
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/27/2008 2:57:32 AM
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Casper22
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Hi. This thread is already heavily in progress. Before I add, it's my hope that wherever you choose to attend, Casper22, that you find yourself a member there, and that your chuch is not simply somewhere you go or attend.
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For example what I meen by names like Cornerstone, Church of God Four square with signs and wonders, Dante Baptist Church ect ect ect. Should a name of a Church matter and decide for you if you want to go? Im asking because I saw a Church in Ocala Florida called Druid Baptist Church I even went there for a service just to settle my curiosity and it was a good Church but because of the name very few people go to it I was told. But is a name really that important as long as long as the word is taught? thanx Casper
Should the church's name matter and decide for you if you want to go? A name of something is just a name, right? A name of a church- you can thake that to be the name of the building the people meet in, or the name the members of that assembly take on themselves... we are Cornerstone church. That's to say if the building they meet in burns down, or floats away in a flood, etc., Cornersone church... whoever is still alive following this, are they still a church? That's not really a both-answer question, right? You've got to decide if the church is a building of shelter from the weather, or a bunch of sinful people gathered to worship. No matter what you decide, I'd say it's a cop out to let a name decide something for you. You may be able to see some awesome changes in the First Church of Fellowship of Pharasees, Sadducees, and Jesus Wannabes, and perhaps cause some yourself. They'd teach the word there, sure, the word that serves their purposes. It'd be really challenging. The general public might snicker at you and call you a viper, etc.
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Thanx for these answers it helps understand alot better. Ive always noticed that some of the bigger churches have extravagant names and when you go its like going to a rock concert or there so formal and traditional it feels like a buisness meeting. Then some of the smaller ones ive visited with names like Haven of hope were just wonderful and uplifting.
What makes denominationalism a sin? Well let me reword that is denominationalism of God or is it just a statement of who your affiliated with. Like for instance I go to a full gospel Baptist church but they call themselves Grace Full Gospel Baptist Church and its caused confusion at times to our visitors because they think there going to a traditional Baptist Church with traditional Baptist beliefs but my Church also believes in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and shouting and raising your hands the only thing that makes them Baptist is there belief that its wrong to teach falling from grace like most Pentecostals do so they keep the word Baptist on our sign to let more traditional Pentecostals know that its a Pentecostal church with Baptist leanings toward the teachings on salvation. Should they take Baptist off there sign and just be Full Gospel to stop the confusion or leave it be?
Anyway thanx and take care
Casper
Would you please not repeat the question like that, but do repeat it? Maybe break it down for us using some periods? I'm sure I could struggle to give you an 18-line run-on reply, but you are really going with some deep questions and I lost track of the question.
Thanks,
OneJohn410
Im sorry I have alot of problems posting questions. Im using a Playstation 3 not your usual computer and im doing the best I can it bunches everything up im doing the best I can to make it look ok.
1st. It seems I started a mess here with my questions at least I feel that way.
To Diane
Was you insinuating my Church was ashamed of the name Baptist? Im sorry but thats not what I was trying to convey. If thats what you meen then what I was trying to say was alot of traditional Baptist believers have come to my Church thinking due to its name that its a traditional Baptist Church with traditional Baptist teachings and some of them have left the Church quite upset as well as some Pentecostals. My church is trying to figure out a way to convey to people what they believe without compromising those beliefs and one of the options they've come up with was either adding Full Gospel to the sign or taking Baptist off. Its kind of a quandary because they believe like a Baptist as far as salvation and Calvinism goes but they've also accepted and embraced certain teachings that you would normally only see in Nondenominational and Charasmatic Churches. But theres been alot of backlash from some of the older members in this Church they feel it should be left alone and the name not tinkerd with while the rest of the members feel something should be done so visitors will know what to expect when the come in. And thats why I asked my questions about the names of Churches and Denominationalism.
And I think im just making this worse I cant write what im trying to say and I dont want to make anyone agravated again.
sorry
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/28/2008 2:04:06 AM
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MAP2010
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ORIGINAL: Casper22
For example what I meen by names like Cornerstone, Church of God Four square with signs and wonders, Dante Baptist Church ect ect ect. Should a name of a Church matter and decide for you if you want to go?
Im asking because I saw a Church in Ocala Florida called Druid Baptist Church I even went there for a service just to settle my curiosity and it was a good Church but because of the name very few people go to it I was told. But is a name really that important as long as long as the word is taught?
thanx
Casper
Hi,
I think that it only counts in what people think, but in Faith a name is just a name. My Church is called Church of Theater Arts thats because we are a Church that has Musical Plays (Theater Arts), so it tells what we do and what its about. Now we do have people ask stuff like, Are you a Christian Church? What type of Church are you? I say that we are a Church who follows Jesus Christ and Teaches Bible Stories in a Living Play, we have study time for kids and adults along with the Musicals for our members.
Rev. Pendergraft
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/28/2008 2:28:09 AM
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I think some are saying Baptist are wrong, but I went to a Baptist Church and the most I have heard is something like "Churches who do not follow the Bible are wrong". My Church is not a Baptist but not because I disagree with most of their views but because I don't agree with them all, I like the Name "Simple Christian" my Grandfather told me he was. Hes a good man and has much understanding of the Bible, I myself have no real use for denomination practices yet I understand that it is away for people to know their Faith and Views. My Church is not about denominations or non-denominations its about the Stories of The Bible, I feel its better for people to see and heard then just be told. We had talked about not being Fed and what we are doing in other post about that, well I feel that when people come and See and Hear The Living Word of God and sing along with the Music they will be filled with His Word.
Thanks,
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/29/2008 10:59:10 AM
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It is not the church, nor the denomination, nor the doctrine that decides which preacher is on target. It is God's call as to which man is truly being obedient to that call & scripturally correct and it is our individual accountability to be scripturally educated, God-centered, & prayerful, with a discerning heart to weed out the false teachers, BOTH denominational AND non-denominational.
VERY true...
Example: I attend a Baptist church here in Dallas. VERY strong biblical teaching....and, solid, as well. Great church, pastor and everything.
My inlaws church....they are another "Baptist Church"....VASTLY different from my church...."false teachings" have "littered" everything that church does, and what the pastor says. (their church have embraced the "teachings" of a somewhat well-known "teacher" of "Biblical Principles").....with very little regard to what the BIBLE actually says, or doesn't say about those "Teachings".......(meanwhile, any and ALL materials by the "teacher" their church "follows" have been strictly prohibited from being taught at MY church..due to the "false nature" of those teachings)
Westboro Baptist Church is yet another obvious example. It IS a "Baptist" church, right?
THUS....Denomination "labels" in the church's name is no guarantee of anything...other than the name on the door.
Kern,
WOW! Seems like you really have gotten a bad taste for the name "Baptist." I'm sorry for that, but on the oppsotie side of the fence I'm drawn to it, for it's been my experience that it's where you get good fundamental Bible teaching and preaching.
Is it possible for you the tell us who the false teacings are from in your in-laws church? thanks
Rick the Baptist
It's not that I have a "Bad Taste" for the name "Baptist"....I DID at one time though (even after I became a christian!).....some of that "negative perception" is well-earned, in my opinion. And, I have a full understanding of how an "outsider"perceives church....(and, earlier I told of how I now attend one of the largest baptist churches...but, the church does a great job of not perpetuating those stereotypes)....as it is a "non traditional" baptist church, but still has solid biblical teaching and preaching....
sure...YOU are "drawn" to the "baptist brand" of churches....because that's what YOU KNOW, and it's hard for people like you to THINK of how an "unchurched" person thinks when looking at the sign out front that SAYS "Baptist" on it......and, even when "unchurched" people seek "bible teaching/preaching" churches, they stay away from "Baptist" (because of the perception), and go non-deonomenational or elsewhere....
And, you being a "baptist" will likely agree...that the name "Baptist" on a church name....is just that, A NAME....give me 3 baptist churches, and you'll likely see 3 ENTIRELY different congregations....it's no guarantee of "consistency" or anything.....(Westboro Baptist Church being one of MANY MANY examples)
The false teachings? My in-laws church is entirely "Gothardized"....and totally influenced by the teachings of "Bill Gothard"....very sad situation....
< Message edited by kernsfamily -- 9/29/2008 11:34:11 AM >
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