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RE: Men's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/30/2007 6:04:22 PM
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hnt
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Ok i see what you're saying. Maybe there are ways and ways of making suggestions at times like that. For instance, i don't think it would be undermining a husband to ask the doctor what other options there were available, to try and make all the info available to the guy i was with and anyway, i don't see anything wrong with objections and discussions, only if they go on after he has had enough.
The only things i find obnoxious are naggy nit-pickiness, critisism towards the hub, put downs etc ... Which is a different thing i think. Someone who continually overrides his decision because they think they know best or that speaks over her husband etc. You know the thing, where its kinda made into a joke at his expense but it's really not funny.
I understand what you are saying. I have seen what you are talking about as well.
What I object to at times is when you see a spouse (and this can be either) trying very hard to keep the peace, and bending themselves into a pretzel doing so.......lol and people tell them its happening due to roles NOT being done properly! AND you know where that finger is pointing also! 
At times there seems to be so much pressure on one gender to do their role, and hardly no real mention of the other side of the equation. They are called to walk on eggshells when you clearly see selfishness, pride, etc coming from the other side of the equation. It blows my mind everytime!  I have seen it done to both genders!
The man clearly has the heavier load, but what seems funny to me is all the books, articles, websites, etc all dealing with submission. If you compare the two roles - one has more attention to detail. I personally find that very sad. What God is asking doesn't coming naturally to either gender, and some ways is actually goes against the grain! I have heard other say that is because men don't read up as much about relationships, and these types of traits like women do. When you look to what their role should be within a Christian home - that is a sad statement! Its work for both, and if they don't have the resources the other does - or seek it out...to me we are asking for trouble.
People tend to stress to much this submission and obey. The object is to serve one another. That is where the emphasis needs to be. How thru our serving of my spouse can I show love or honor? There are sides to this equation ALWAYS! WHat lacks seems to be balance! Two extreme cases would be - say you have a Stay at home mother and because her husband brings home the bacon that is all he is entitled to do. She may speak of exhaustion on some days, and he just looks at her and picks up his ticker and newspaper.  It would be showing LOVE towards her if he got up and helped.....no complaints or scorecards! On the other hand of that extreme - you have the wife that literally throws the rest of the evenings events to her husband because she is SO DONE! THEY are YOUR kids ALSO as she marches out the door to go do whatever! She clearly is not honoring her husband, and showing him much respect.
I guess at times I see the church placing things into a box, and have lines in the sand as to where you are to be and be happy with it! LOL to me life is custom, and spouses KNOW what actions they could do to show love and honor towards their spouse in a way to make them FEEL it! It takes effort, and its okay to color outside the lines! My father worked and he traveled for his job. WHen he got back - YEP he was tired, but the next day he took us kids OUT to let my mother have a break! I'm sure at certain times that was the LAST thing he wanted to do , but to show his love to my mother he did as part of his service to her! On the other hand, my mother took on certain roles within our house that may be considered the 'man's' section! NOT because she mowed over Dad to do them, because quite frankly he wasn't capable of them! HE would be the first to admit it also! When this came up in conversation mother always found some way of showing him honor in the way she presented it. SHE was not going to allow others to make him feel 'less than' because she did this job! SHE would mention how he had areas that he was very gifted at, and their relationship was unquie but it WORKED...and they were both happy!
Dad felt it was his job to set the tone - since HE was the leader of the home! It was his job to serve his family, and show them love. It wasn't up to the others to do their role first, and he would follow the lead! LOL he was the LEAD! When something was falling apart he was the first to LOOK to himself - not whining about how if she would just LEARN to submit or respect my authority and things would be better! If my mother was unhappy about something you can bet your bottom dollar he would seek out what that was, and MAKE it right! I'm sure there were alot of times in which the huge portion of the burder fell on him. Leaders should expect that if you look at 'leaders' in other realms! He accepted it!
I read articles geared towards men on some parts of the internet, and they encourage them to be some type of control freak! I'm thinking WOW you speak like that, and in the next breath blame feminism?   On the other extreme, you have sites that tell you that you must obey your husband in just about ALL! THey say unless its sin, but what is strange is their examples gear toward enabling bad behavior instead of honoring their man. They hint if you even step one piggie toe towards hinting that his behavior isn't loving towards her she is label a nag or worse!
I don't know it seems people tend to pick the most extreme examples they can think of to make their points, and quite frankly extremes isn't normally what people are dealing with in most cases. To me that gives them a shakey foundation instead of solid ground! I can never understand WHY they can't use more normal, common, down to earth examples instead of some extreme feminist or raging control freak! WHen they do that why they wonder why their message isn't loud and clear is beyond me!
To me depending on the situation - as I have said it gets off balance on both ends - unless people find balance in serving you are going to create things you don't want to have. I think most people are lazy personally. It goes from I'm tired when I get home from work and I snap at my wife because I had a long day! Or I nag my husband to death because he doesn't hear me otherwise. LAZY!
When the theme turns to 'serving' one another instead of 'submission' 'leadership' we might have a better chance. Jesus came to serve others, and that is what he called us to do as well. LOL instead we concentrate to much on certain words...and never the action of showing love!
ANyway........that is how it seems to me! LOL and we are all quilty!
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RE: Men's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2007 4:20:19 AM
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To the women posting:
I was raised in what appears to be a completely different culture. Submission of wives was effectively non-existent. So I have a hard time understanding your points just from the cultural point of view.
I also spent a large part of my life as a lone father, no wife.
So! I read what you say and end up scratching my head as it makes zero sense.
Sexist views of who and what our society's males are define our culture. So anyone pronouncing on gender will almost certainly include misandry-sexism in their pronouncement. That is one of the things which most annoys me about this thread.
There's also a huge problem with Biblical interpretation. We have literal interpretations and cultural interpretations mixed together EXCEPT on men's roles! On this website ONLY the literalist interpretation of men's roles is acceptable.
YET! Yet, we know for sure that the literal interpretation of gender roles is packed with dangerous errors and that this applies both ways.
If we follow the literal interpretation of gender roles we end up with:
- a higher than needed male suicide rate
- a higher than needed child abuse rate
- a higher than needed spousal abuse rate
- a higher than needed poverty rate
Now, what I'd like you to tell me is: Where did Jesus say we should abuse people, kill men and make innocents poor?
Hmmmm? Where?
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RE: Men's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2007 5:50:45 AM
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becasue ultimately it wasn't a life and death matter - it wasn't going to matter in the big scheme of things ...
...But where a spouse demands their spouse to sin, using the "you have to do what I say because I am the head" that is another matter altogether.
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So, if it was a life or death matter (and it wasn't sinful) and you disagreed, you mean you would not submit?
I'm amused - nowhere did I say if it wasn't sinful I would refuse to submit if I disagreed!  If anything I implied the opposite - that if it wasn't sinful and I didn't agree, I would often go along with it anyway. I guess to keep the peace, and to unselfishly let my husband have his way.
Another way to interpret "life or death matter" is to say "something that could have very serious repercussions on others". "Life or death matter" is a common phrase which can be interpreted to mean something potentially very harmful. In such a situation, if I believed a certain action was going to impact very detrimentally on someone, I might refuse to go along with it.
We make choices every day. Every choice involves weighing up circumstances and possible outcomes in the light of the Word of God. It may not always be easy to find a quick and easy choice. That is when people need to seriously pray together and discuss things properly, each "looking out for the interests of others ahead of his own" as the Bible says.
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RE: Men's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2007 12:43:01 PM
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hnt, that was really helpful to read. I hope you dont mind i've copied and pasted your post onto my computer so i can read it through and think about it.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 11/21/2007 6:40:07 AM
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Another great book is called "Created to Be His Help Meet" by Debi Pearl. http://www.nogreaterjoy.org
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 11/21/2007 3:42:08 PM
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I don't know it seems people tend to pick the most extreme examples they can think of to make their points, and quite frankly extremes isn't normally what people are dealing with in most cases. To me that gives them a shakey foundation instead of solid ground! I can never understand WHY they can't use more normal, common, down to earth examples instead of some extreme feminist or raging control freak!
hnt, I pretty much agreed with your entire post. The only thing is, the above quote, I also often wonder why those arguing against submission choose crazed, abusive examples of "patriarchy" for their basis of opposition.
You are right that the ultimate goal is for us to be serving each other. And that we should each focus on our own roles and not trying to make the other fit into his or her role before we do. When I argue for "wifely submission", usually in the context of women discussing it, that is what I'm doing. That's *my* role, and what I need to learn and study and practice. When my husband talks with or advises his friends, he tells them about their responsibility to care for and love their wives, to show grace and respect, etc. Both of us talk about the other gender's role only when it's clear that it is completely out of whack (ie: husband beats his wife, wife needs to take some action. wife buying big ticket items like cars without talking to her husband at all, husband needs to take some action)
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RE: Men/Women roles in the home - One Stop Thread - 11/23/2007 6:39:27 PM
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I feel that both men and women miss the whole point to these scriptures. It isn't about who is in command,who gets to make the decisions or anyof those type of things. These scriptures have to do with covering or should we say protection.It really is easier to understand in reference to Genisis and Adam and Eve.Eves head or covering was Adam,Adams covering was God.Eve was seduced by the serpent.She stepped out from the covering of her husband and did what she knew was wrong.She wasn't faithful to what she was taught to her by her husband or God.She was an unfaithful bride and lets make it clear the Bible does say that women are the weaker vessel,that is why she needs the covering or authority of her husband.If a woman has no husband then Christ is her husband and her covering.Look at what happened once Eve took of the forbidden fruit.Nothing happend, Then she gave some to Adam.Why did nothing happen when Eve took of the fruit?It is because she was still protected by the covering of her husband Adam.Now once Adam took of the fruit they both were uncovered and both new they was naked.Men take heart to this because you are resposilbe to protect your families and you must keep them covered or the whole family is exposed and shamed.Also you see That is when God comes calling out to them because HE knows that the covering of the man has been removed.God knows this because God is that covering or that protection.So our Father moves quickly to come to them and remove the covering that the man has tried to make for himself and then God provides the only covering allowed for sin and that is a blood sacrifice.This the earliest record of a blood sacrifice.Men cover your women as Christ has covered you and women allow your men to be your covering for their in lies your protection.May God's peace and blessing be with you all.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 1/4/2008 12:47:04 AM
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I agree with your post, however, our life has been down-sized as much as possible and I still have to work to make ends meet. I would like to be able to stay home with my kids, but it is not possible for us. We only own one car and live in a small trailor outside of town. We don't own a pool or any other sort of luxuries. I have kept all costs to a minimum and have sacraficed much just to survive. Let's face it, life isn't as it used to be and it seems to get harder and harder for people to put food on the table for their families and pay the rent. We can't afford day care costs which is why my husband works evenings, so he can take care of the kids during the day and I work days to take care of them during the evenings. Plus we don't want our kids growing up in a day care. With that said, I still agree with your post, but although I agree, it is a life-style that is not possible for us, at least not presently.
I haven't been able to read though the whole thread but I related to this response from what I did read. We only have one car too and we rent a townhouse. I have had to take p/t jobs and probably will soon even though I don't want to.
I currently stay home. My husband has been asking me to go back to work in little indirect comments he makes, even though it didn't help that much last year. I tried it last year p/t. We married young and had kids young. I started school and then chose to stay home with the kids. Therefore I don't have the education to get a good job like he has. I stayed home and took care of him and the kids so he could. I wish I had done a lot of things differently as a SAHM and a wife. My father died when I was two and my mom was selfish, spent most of my childhoold depressed, moving us around, couldn't work, sometimes used drugs etc. So I never really got to see how a home was run, kwim? I've realized I've come up short I'm sure because of this and I need to really work on it. But what happens when the kids are grown, do you all expect to still SAHM and be taken care of? I'm leary of that. THe last few years I think I've been lax and he makes a lot of rude comments, but there are other reasons why that I won't get it too. I'd say for the most part, I've not only enjoyed, but done well at keeping the home and when I run the money, we do well. When he does, we don't eat.
Because of our finanical instability and my concerns I had planned on going back to school when my third child started 1st grade. I loved being home though and doing all the room mom things etc. Well, my husband had wanted another baby for awhile though and I prayed about it and decided to see what the Lord brought. He brought a little boy and I'm so grateful. But, I don't think it's wrong to work as wives and mothers. He was laid off for almost a year once too and that killed him to see me go to work with a one year old baby but I had to do it. I worked p/t for 3 years too missing dinner meals and nighttime bath and bed routines with our youngest, but for the most part, we were getting things we NEEDED, not WANTED, On a regular basis and also getting things we wanted. Even though he had gotten a job just shortly after I got hired, I stayed on because of guilt and feeling like I needed to.
My husband had horrendous money managment skills for many years. He's really working on it, but his ways with money really really hurt us. I tried to be his "helpmeet" to help him in the areas that other grown men can do for themselves, but then I was being controlling etc. So we've spent most of our lives living like the working poor even though he made almost $74, 000 last year in over time. I guess I gave up being the manager of the home in that area because it felt futile, so as SAHMs, we can only do so much. There is another adult in the picture too. I want to work on meeting his needs better at times and he needs to see that taking care of us means more than going to work for 8 hours a day.
He basically told me I had to go to work again last year after he had badgered me to quit for a long time at my other p.t job. His timing coujldn't be more worse as I had just started homeschooling three kids and I was already having trouble with it.
He basically told me that he feels like I'm not helping, he's doing it all, all we do is take, he's drowning, he NEEDS me to work etc and I could tell he was just panicked otherwise he wouldn't be saying such stupid things , so I did get an evening job. I was trying to run the house during the day while homeschooling three teenagers, two of of them with ADHD/Depression (unmedicated) AND I had to work a p.t job where I wasn't coming home some nights til midnight. Did I mention I had to get a 1st grader off to the bus at 7am and try to manage and clean the house is school children who find paying attention and listening difficult. How is that not work?
So, I work and work and work and what does most of my money go for? NSF fees or meager groceries. I got tired of that. I ended up angry, depressed, overtired, overworked, and very annoyed. I have NO IDEA how moms work full time with kids and then do all the house stuff. I have a few friends who did this. Even though they work they pretty much still do everything around the house and I just don't understand how they do it. I was drowning with just a p/t evening job. Cranky mom, cranky house. It's a hard call.
In the same note, I sort of resent being told that if I worked things we be so much better. How? My $100 a week isn't going to save the world, but it is going to make my productivity as a homeschool mom go way down and I already struggle with it as it is.
On a personal note, I know I need to take control over again because otherwise we'll keep eating top ramen. I'm very thankful for how hard he works. I am. He's a machine at work. He overfocuses on work, but I feel like it gets us nowhere. I don't know what he expects from me, but I'm trying to listen and improve, but I think he's very unrealistic sometimes. I can't me a manager of the home and have others doing things that mess up the goals of which we have.
My husband isn't doing anything around the house for the most part, unless he's annoyed at something I'm behind on. He's at work all day and I get that. However, my MIL didn't make sure he knew how to do laundry, sew, cook, manage bills, and take care of grown up things so he could expect someone else to do it all for him when. There are roles we have as SAHMs, yes. There are things we do extra because we love our husbands and want to do something nice. However, my husband is a grown man and regardless of whether I work or not, I'm not his slave and either are our kids. I do think he should do things around the house because he lives in it.
He won't even put his own dish into the dishwasher because "he works all day". Well, so do I and I don't like hearing, "and that's what the kid are for" either. JMHO though, but I don't see anywhere that women are to spend their lives cleaning up after grown men who are perfectly capable of doing it themselves unless that's what they really want to do.
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RE: Men/Women roles in the home - One Stop Thread - 1/4/2008 2:35:40 PM
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I hope someone can help me with this. My husband and I were discussing this same issue last night. We have been married for 23 years and we have been born again christians since 1992. I have been growing in leaps and bounds through the grace of Jesus and when i read about the rold of a wife in a christian home I immediately asked for forgiveness and jumped right into that role. however, my husband continues to miss work, he takes no responsibility for any household chores. I shovel, paint, take care of the home inside and out, take out the garbage etc. he sits in his chair, sleeps late, stays on the computer looking at porn. I have been praying for such a long time for him and have forgiven him over and over because I know thats what God wants. I have gotten to the point of falling out of love with him, and asking him for a seperation in a desperate attempt to wake him up. What happens when the woman does her role at home and the mans as well?
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RE: Men/Women roles in the home - One Stop Thread - 1/4/2008 3:03:33 PM
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a Christian woman's role in the home is to take care of the family and the house. i believe that it is the husband's job to bring the money home and not the wife's. the wife is to be a servant (not slave) to her husband and children.
i see no problem in the woman doing all the housework - even though it's nice when hubbies help out around the house. i'm thankful my husband does that.
dinner should be on the table when he gets home from work, and the wife should look fresh and ready to be attentive to her husband.
She should be in prayer everyday for her family.
a woman is to submit to her husband. he is the head of the house
Yes, what heatherer said. Sometimes, a woman is not blessed with a husband, children or even a home. That woman has a special calling to serve God in some other capacity. I was single and drifting until 34 yrs old. I still had purpose!
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RE: Men/Women roles in the home - One Stop Thread - 1/19/2008 9:46:06 AM
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I am married to a wonderful man, who is a great father and husband. However, I struggle constantly with the question of whether serving God in my church comes before or after serving my husband. He says he is a Christian, but he doesn't want to participate in the church or any church activities unless our daughter is in a play, or something like that. Then he will come.
I am involved in Sunday school and Youth Group. But sometimes I feel guilty because my husband wants to do things on the weekends, especially in the summer, so I either miss church or tell him I can't because of church and he reacts with frustration. I honestly feel he thinks church and church activities are like a selfish pleasure for my daughter and I.
The bible is confusing because it says put God first, then says put your husband first.
If I could get some feedback I would be very greatful!
(Thank you Daisies4u for your response to my post in the other place. I have never belonged to such a large forum, and I am just learing my way around. I truly appreciate your thoughts)
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RE: Men/Women roles in the home - One Stop Thread - 1/20/2008 6:27:40 PM
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a Christian woman's role in the home is to take care of the family and the house. i believe that it is the husband's job to bring the money home and not the wife's. the wife is to be a servant (not slave) to her husband and children.
i see no problem in the woman doing all the housework - even though it's nice when hubbies help out around the house. i'm thankful my husband does that.
dinner should be on the table when he gets home from work, and the wife should look fresh and ready to be attentive to her husband.
She should be in prayer everyday for her family.
a woman is to submit to her husband. he is the head of the house
Hazel, where did this quote come from? Was it a joke, or is it serious?
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RE: Men/Women roles in the home - One Stop Thread - 1/22/2008 2:59:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: Splitntwo
I am married to a wonderful man, who is a great father and husband. However, I struggle constantly with the question of whether serving God in my church comes before or after serving my husband. He says he is a Christian, but he doesn't want to participate in the church or any church activities unless our daughter is in a play, or something like that. Then he will come.
I am involved in Sunday school and Youth Group. But sometimes I feel guilty because my husband wants to do things on the weekends, especially in the summer, so I either miss church or tell him I can't because of church and he reacts with frustration. I honestly feel he thinks church and church activities are like a selfish pleasure for my daughter and I.
The bible is confusing because it says put God first, then says put your husband first.
If I could get some feedback I would be very greatful!
(Thank you Daisies4u for your response to my post in the other place. I have never belonged to such a large forum, and I am just learing my way around. I truly appreciate your thoughts)
Unfortunately I have seen marriages split up and one spouse will claim that the other spends too much time ministering to others.
That probably isn't your case, but I would urge the two of you to work something out.
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RE: Men's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 1/25/2008 1:39:10 PM
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My laziness is kicking in, but I didn't read this entire thread so if I repeat something sorry!  .
Beth Moore once did a siminar for college aged girls called, "How to be a strong woman of God in a submissive role". As a strong woman myself I had a hard time understanding submission. In my mind submission was done in the face of dominance. She taught us that in order to submit to our husband's we had to first submit to God. Sometimes our husbands may do something we don't think is...proper, but if we bite our tongue and fall to our knees in surrender to God, He'll take care of it. My favourite statement from her was, "If you're on your knees, praying for your husband, and submitting yourself to God, when God goes to bop someone upside the head for messing up, He'll swing right over you! But if you're nagging, and telling your husband how he's wrong, and what he needs to do to be right, when God goes to bop him, He's going to miss and get you instead!" That is so true!
I find this discussion fascinating only because I feel God is leading me to learn to be a Godly wife and mother to prepare me for my next adventure. (Does he have a husband for me!? *squeal*)
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 1/26/2008 8:36:23 PM
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Hi everyone,
Here are a few thoughts:
We who are children of God are all created differently. We have all grown up differently. We were all saved at different ages. We all have our own walk with the Lord.
Therefore my household will not be run exactly like yours. The Lord did not make robots he created humans with a free will.
I did not get saved till I was 24 and did not grow up in a christian home but on the contrary a very worldly sinful home with 4 stepdads who saw us kids as extra baggage.
I am at a different growth place in my christian walk as someone else, my hubby is in a different place as well. We all have a different calling and purpose in serving our Lord. We all have a different cross to bear (if you will).
As a wife and mother I have to daily die to myself (actually most times minute by minute) and submit to the Lord's will in dealing with my responsibilities and dealings as a wife and mother, as well as with each different child. At times I fail and give in to the flesh. Also my hubby is suppose to do the same, just as children should do also.
Just as every child of God needs to do. To submit means having a willing heart to do what God wants you to do!!! None of this walk for any of us christians is as cut and dry as many of you are debating.
We all like to judge others (maybe because it keeps us from looking at our own wrongs), and think our way is the right way. But the words says "my ways are not mans ways". God knows the heart stop judging what things look like or how you think someone should deal with it in their life!
We were all created with different strengths and weaknesses therefore we all cannot be treated the same or deal with a situation the same. But instead do what God wants us to do in a certain situation.
The word of God says "for some to eat it is sin but for others it is not sin"
The word also says "anything that is not of faith is sin"!
Does that mean for any of us to do what the majority thinks is right, is right for everyone? Or for us to do something that the majority thinks is wrong, is wrong for everyone?
Yes I mean SIN is always wrong, But I am talking about how we live and deal with one another.
In our marriages and all of life we need to be faithful to the Lord and if we are doing it in faith then we are in his will, and everything will fall into place.
It starts way before marriage, we need to submit to Gods will. Do not be unequally yoked!
At times though people don't get saved till after they have a family. And they may have a harder cross to bear than someone else.
Some men won't take the responsibilities of anything therefore the woman may have to do whats needed. But if she is doing it in faith and what the Lord wants from her then it is the RIGHT thing to do for her or vice versa for a man!
We as God's children need to give 100% in everything he calls us to do!!!
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheth me. Phillipians 4:13
Therefore, my beloved brethren be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know, your labor is not in vain in the Lord. 1ST Corinthians 15:58
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 2/25/2008 3:38:53 PM
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April75
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I tend to think it means for the woman to take care of home and not work on the outside of home unless it has to do with the home. But I guess if you do work outside of your home it is for your home's income. It's just really hard to work outside the home and take care of your children and your entire household.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 5/10/2008 9:52:57 PM
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I believe marriage is 90% respect for each other and 10% love. Its easy to love someone who respects you and treats you as a valuable person. Its difficult to love someone who is always putting you down and who looks down on you. IMHO.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 6/1/2008 8:07:47 PM
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I ran through the responses, which were many, and see that everyone seems to desire to do the "right" thing.
Men and women created equally by God. They were given charge over the earth. They were to leave their mother and father and become one with thier spouse. Intertwine their lives into one. One partnership with distinct giftedness and uniqueness of two individuals who love serve and share intimately their lives together. How our daily lives are played out is through God and our relationship as a couple with Him. Family is a cherished thing. It isnt about who works and who doesnt, who takes care of the money, who takes out the garbage, but how you give and serve your spouse, your children, your God. That you pray to God and He is the Lord of your home.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 6/1/2008 8:10:17 PM
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Great post suzanned!
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 6/2/2008 12:06:11 PM
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Grace and peace be multiplied unto you all.
First of all I would like to say that I am a Biblical Inerrantist, love the Lord and read the Word. And secondly, I am an egalitarian.
I believe that gender roles are part of the curse of the law (Genesis 3:16 etc.), from which we are redeemed by the sacrificial work of Christ (Galatians 3:28). Many of the errors of the complementarians come from poor translations in the KJV, and from extraneous assumptions.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 6/4/2008 5:24:30 PM
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