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Look at this again from the bill. It gave the local school board a huge brush to paint with. Some liberal school boards would have a hay day with it.

Notice it says "each class or course" SHALL INCLUDE.....

That means if you teach K-3 you MUST INCLUDE STD's information.

I can tell you from experience that it's going to be hard to teach about STD's if someone does not FIRST teach about sexual intercourse!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant
As might have been expected, that assertion is, at a strained best, only fractionally true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joycelyn_Elders

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and she replied, "I think that it (Masterbation) is part of human sexuality, and perhaps it should be taught."

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P31W--are you really arguing for more federal control of education? You are basically saying that Obama is too conservative. The traditional republican/conservative platform is that education is a local issue, and that school boards know best.

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I'm still failing to see how this can be translated to indoctrination.

I see how it can be done age appropriately though.
As far as HIV/Aids, how about teaching the kids that if they find needles to not touch them and leave them alone. Many kids everyday watch their parents shoot up. To not tech this is irresponsible. We live in a depraved society.

STD's, how about teaching the kids proper hygiene? Don't use another's towel, don't share lipstick, ect, and especially don't sit on a public toilet seat?

It's common sense that I'm sure the educators have formally researched. It's also very needed information.

Parents are disillusioned if they think it will never happen to their child.
We can teach them the best that we can and they still end up making mistakes, mistakes that we KNOW we taught them better than to do. Any and all information may help.

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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant
As might have been expected, that assertion is, at a strained best, only fractionally true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joycelyn_Elders

And the quote fomr that site about what she said;

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and she replied, "I think that it (Masterbation) is part of human sexuality, and perhaps it should be taught."

Enough for me to dismiss her as a fruitcake.

Thanks
RC

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I was never taught about inappropriate touching as a child, and I can name about 100 other people who weren't taught. Come on people. Public schooling is there for those that can't afford to stay at home and teach or afford tuition at private schools. don't think of just yourselves. WHo else is going to teach the kids? The church certainly isn't doing it. Yet, our children continually become victims of rape, molestation, and child pornography. And we ask ourselves why. When we block every POSITIVE program to help children because we THINK it goes against our Christian beliefs. Last time I checked education in any form, was not a sin. Even mentioning anatomy. God knows the difference, let's not act as though we're clueless

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I was never taught about inappropriate touching as a child, and I can name about 100 other people who weren't taught. Come on people. Public schooling is there for those that can't afford to stay at home and teach or afford tuition at private schools. don't think of just yourselves. WHo else is going to teach the kids? The church certainly isn't doing it. Yet, our children continually become victims of rape, molestation, and child pornography. And we ask ourselves why. When we block every POSITIVE program to help children because we THINK it goes against our Christian beliefs. Last time I checked education in any form, was not a sin. Even mentioning anatomy. God knows the difference, let's not act as though we're clueless.

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A few years ago while I was on the School Board' Planned Parenthood came and wanted to teach "Age Appropriate" sex education in the health class at the middle school.

They were so very evasive about what exactly they were going to teach that I led the board into putting them off for a while. I then got permission from another school system that was going to permit the classes to attend the class.

These were 5th graders. The cirruculum included teaching the kids (boys and girsl) how to put condoms on bananas and squash. Teaching which condoms should be used for oral sex (the thin sheep's gut ones). While endorsing a brand called "Rough Riders" for anal sex because they do not tear as easy. There was also sensual teaching about positions, homosexual promotion by encouraging folks to just try it because one never knows.

I was sick to my stomach; and needless to say we never permitted that garbage to happen in our school. This happened in South Texas.

So in referrence to this thread, when I hear age appropriate it really sends up red flags.

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RC

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I was never taught about inappropriate touching as a child, and I can name about 100 other people who weren't taught. Come on people. Public schooling is there for those that can't afford to stay at home and teach or afford tuition at private schools. don't think of just yourselves. WHo else is going to teach the kids? The church certainly isn't doing it. Yet, our children continually become victims of rape, molestation, and child pornography. And we ask ourselves why. When we block every POSITIVE program to help children because we THINK it goes against our Christian beliefs. Last time I checked education in any form, was not a sin. Even mentioning anatomy. God knows the difference, let's not act as though we're clueless.

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If anyone needed any further proof that certain soi-disant 'christian conservatives'' prefer ignorance to education, this thread should provide all that anyone needs.

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Personally, I think condoms as a part of sex ed is a good thing. If I can't prevent teen sex, I would rather to arm them with knowledge to protect themselves. I would rather them be safe than sorry.

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I would absolutely flip my lid if our school promoted homosexuality in any way shape or form. The mentality of try it you might like it, just won't fly with me and I don't believe that it will in our school either.

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As well arm them with the idea that a position of authority is granting them the ok to some degree... Just what kids are looking for, an ounce of justification...

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As well arm them with the idea that a position of authority is granting them the ok to some degree... Just what kids are looking for, an ounce of justification...

It's not about granting them an ok, it's responsible.

Kids are gonna do what kids are gonna do, no matter how we raise them, what morals we example, or what rules we try to impose on them. They are living, breathing, thinking humans who sometimes make bad choices too.

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The Proberbs in the Bible (which can be thought of as probabilities) tends to disagree with you.

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6 KJV

How would you respond if it were pointed out you were positionally on the opposite side of God breathed scripture on this point?

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It's not about granting them an ok, it's responsible.

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Kids are gonna do what kids are gonna do, no matter how we raise them, what morals we example, or what rules we try to impose on them. They are living, breathing, thinking humans who sometimes make bad choices too.

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If and when they make these bad choices, I would rather them do it safely by using a condom.

That is not condoning the action, it's encouraging them to use safe precautions, if and when they decide to make a bad choice.

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It's kind of like giving a heroin addict a clean needle, you can't stop them from shooting up, but we can help prevent further spread of disease by having clean needles available.

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The Proberbs in the Bible (which can be thought of as probabilities) tends to disagree with you.

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6 KJV

How would you respond if it were pointed out you were positionally on the opposite side of God breathed scripture on this point?

I would have to highly disagree with you. See the bold? When he is old. It says nothing about that necessarily occurring in youth as a matter of fact look up discipline. If a child didn't go way wards at times, the bible wouldn't address discipline for children .

Your argument is unfounded and even silly. We will all make mistakes and we all did as children. It's called the learning process.

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Well it seems that reality has gone out of the window. Would you rather your child tell you he is having sex and and you tell him "don't do that, it is wrong". Or would you say, "son, this is a bad decision, I don't approve of it, it is sin, are you using protection? Do you know the dangers?"

Which one is responsible parenting?

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All of us reading this thread, that are parents, or were even teenagers for that matter, went against what we were taught as children at some point. We defied our parents in some way.

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Today's teens are a different creature than even I was growing up.

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They are learning stuff they shouldn't even know at an earlier age. They experiment sooner than they used to. They are more curious than ever and to think it doesn't happen is to not see the reality.

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I was never taught about inappropriate touching as a child, and I can name about 100 other people who weren't taught. Come on people. Public schooling is there for those that can't afford to stay at home and teach or afford tuition at private schools. don't think of just yourselves. WHo else is going to teach the kids? The church certainly isn't doing it. Yet, our children continually become victims of rape, molestation, and child pornography. And we ask ourselves why. When we block every POSITIVE program to help children because we THINK it goes against our Christian beliefs. Last time I checked education in any form, was not a sin. Even mentioning anatomy. God knows the difference, let's not act as though we're clueless.

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Yes, because people have capitulated and no longer look at actions as wrong, but inevitable...

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

No, it's because kids are learning things from the wrong sources, such as friends, tv, and unfortunately experience.

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Some people promote false things. Some people teaching that there is no sin. Some people teach the truth. As Christians, we should be teaching the truth and the consequences of our sin. In teaching that, we are not advocating it but also offering a solution. We offer them safety through education. The consequences of their actions will eventually teach them with or with out our help.

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Our job is to educate, what they do with that information after that, is their responsibility.

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I never what my child to look at me and ask, "why didn't you tell me that could happen."

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Not talking about it or teaching about it would leave a very nasty residue on my hands for which one day I will be held accountable for.

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant
As might have been expected, that assertion is, at a strained best, only fractionally true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joycelyn_Elders

And the quote fomr that site about what she said;

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and she replied, "I think that it (Masterbation) is part of human sexuality, and perhaps it should be taught."

Enough for me to dismiss her as a fruitcake.

Thanks
RC

Thereby ignoring the full context of the cite, and the background of what Elders actually said.

it's a threadbare way of stating falsehoods, and becoming increasingly easy to spot.