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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:21:43 AM
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What is the "sex education" that was going to be taught?
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Probably something like what the "We Are Family Foundation" promoted which is heavily into indoctrinating elementary kids with homosexuality.
So in other words, you have no idea.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:21:46 AM
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What is the "sex education" that was going to be taught?
Thats a good question. Thats a good starting point for a meaningful debate. But this is what we are debating (pertinent part in bold):
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Local school boards have No business teaching sex education; comprehensive or not; or to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators to kindergartners or any child. Sex education and warning young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators belongs Only to Mothers and Fathers and/or Foster/Legal Guardian!!!
I don't think it would take that much "sex education" to teach a child that certain parts are off limits. Homosexuality is a red herring to this particular debate as I'm simply advocating teaching children to know about the "bad people" that may want to do "bad things" to them. Because news flash: many parents aren't doing it!
Homosexuality need not be included in that and I strongly oppose any program in school that advocates or focuses on homosexuality.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:36:19 AM
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Yes, I do think schools warning young kids about sickos who may abuse or exploit them is a bad thing. This is Not what schools are there to teach. Wow. I'm speechless.
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What happens to children whose parents don't teach them these things either through neglect or ignorance? Or children whose parents are the sexual predators? I don't like the idea of schools teaching sex ed at a young age either, ideally that would take place at home. But I also don't want children to be victimized through lack of knowledge. In many homes* this simply isn't taking place. I concur. Having come from a home where absolutely NO EDUCATION regarding anything remotely sexual every happened, I was -- not surprisingly -- sexually abused by someone I knew when I was young. I only WISH my school had been telling us about inappropriate touching and that it was OK to say no to an adult sometimes. This is an area that cannot be left to parents alone, it needs to be taught from a very young age by both parents and the schools.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:42:06 AM
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I don't think it would take that much "sex education" to teach a child that certain parts are off limits.
Teachers already teach children about safety and strangers. Why the need to for "bill" about "age approprate" sex education? They use the cover of safety for children to teach them their "real agenda"...tolerance.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:42:55 AM
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What is the "sex education" that was going to be taught? No on really knows, LOL.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:45:03 AM
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This is an area that cannot be left to parents alone
It's wrong for the government to force parents who are poor to put their children into a system that also teaches them things those parents don't agree with.
Why do you trust the government more than parents?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:46:03 AM
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Having come from a home where absolutely NO EDUCATION regarding anything remotely sexual every happened, I was -- not surprisingly -- sexually abused by someone I knew when I was young.
As was my mother. The older I get, the more I learn just how prevalent sexual abuse of kids really is. It is a quiet plague.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:48:02 AM
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So in other words, you have no idea.
I have an idea. I use to be a sex educator in our public school system. I also worked with pregnant teenagers. That was back in the day before I woke up and realize MORE teens were getting pregnant than ever before.
What I use to teach was everything. I answered any and all questions in front of the entire class. Nothing was off limits.
Teaching the children about 'wrong touches" is just a rabbit trail to get out attention away from what they are really concerned with.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:48:58 AM
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Why do you trust the government more than parents? I don't necessarily. I just think it takes both on this particular subject, if we are talking teaching kids when it is ok to say no to an adult or about inappropriate touching. Little kids don't really need any more than that, but they do need that. At a VERY early age, unfortunately.
Look, I have no idea what the original bill was about -- it was an Illinois thing and I'm not from Illinois. But I am pretty sure that McCain's campaign is distorting what it was about and what Obama was possibly voting for.
Does anyone know out there know anything for sure about this bill? It's been a while cause it's from when he was a state senator.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:51:25 AM
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It was back in 2003 and it didn't pass for good reason.
Parents are able to educate their own 6 year olds concerning "sex"....that "is" what the bill was about. Education on sex........the protecting our children is "obama's" spin on it because he knows it's not popular to teach young children about sex.
It was supported by PPH.
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Little kids don't really need any more than that, but they do need that.
And this is already being taught.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 11:14:29 AM
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They live; I did. It made me tough and mean, and it made me a junk yard watch dog of protection for my kids. Political Correctness doesn't wash with me.
I lived too. Had I have been taught, things might have turned out differently.
Well…, if you lived to, than you should know what, how, and when to teach your children what they need to know; your senses should be sharpened to this. What, compared to you, me, and others like us (this includes boys), does schools know about the reality of this issue and what to do, where and who to go to ask questions and/or get help?
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It has nothing to do with political correctness. It is about teaching them the difference by arming them with knowledge.
Yes it does have everything to do with it. Political correctness is about: Modern ideas of education: State owns the children: A trend that wants to make everything fair, equal and just to all by suppressing thought, speech and practice in order to achieve that goal.
The concept that one has to shape their statements (if not their opinions) according to a certain political dogma
Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term used to describe language, ideas, policies, or behavior seen as seeking to minimize offense to racial, cultural, or other identity groups. .
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Just because it happened to us, doesn't mean we should protect our children to the point that they have no understanding of the dangers that are truly out there.
By protecting our children I DO mean arming them With our personal experienced knowledge, and letting them know what is out there; Not hovering over them 24-24 like you suggest that I mean.
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Would this translate that love and sex between two men is acceptable?
Why would that possibly come into sex education?
Sex ed is bout the functioning of men and women's reproductive parts.
It's not a relationship course.
Age appropriate means exactly that. You wouldn't teach a kindergartner about having sex, you address their curiosity of their own body and the importance of not allowing someone else to touch their body inappropriately.
We can take it to extremes or we can be very realistic.
If it's only about reproductive parts, and it's not a relationship course (being touched and so forth); how would it have helped you, me, or others anyway? What is the reason for your debating me on my opinion?
I have to disagree with you; I say let parents take care of this and leave reading, writing, math, history, and etc. to the teachers. public school educators need to stay out of private lives.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 11:34:10 AM
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You're right, Slime IS Getting Thick; Did you see this one from Obama?
Barack Obama on Sarah Palin: ‘You Can Put Lipstick on a Pig, But It’s Still a Pig’
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Sorry, but the interpretation you have chosen to place on Obama's remarks is simply invalid.
YOUR OWN CITE reads:
> That’s not change,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
“You know, you can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said, “but it’s still a pig.”<
Obama was clearly referring to the tired, old, business as usual - failed - McCain platform policies, 95% of the Bush failures that got us into this mess.
Only someone seeking to take offense - as the GOP is rather gleefully indulging themselves today - could possibly have thought that Obama was referring personally to Palin. And probably even the GOP yippers knoiw better and are merely 'thickening the slime', creating a controversy where none exists.
Shame on you.
Don't shame on me, I didn't say it!! I didn't even say I agreed with it. I was only showing the Slime that is out there --- on both sides --- being smeared around by the political trouble-makers and the internet. The topic is on 'The Slime is getting thick', isn't it?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 11:34:49 AM
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Rufas2000
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Teachers already teach children about safety and strangers.
And thats great except it's not usually strangers that do the abusing.
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Why the need to for "bill" about "age approprate" sex education?
Not sure we need a bill or much in the way of sex ed for the youngins under discussion but I want to do whatever is possible to protect them from predators in their midst.
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They use the cover of safety for children to teach them their "real agenda"...tolerance.
And thats a legitimate concern. If the argument is that in the process of allowing these kids to be taught about inappropriate touching we open the way for damage in other areas that is a completely legitimate concern.
However what I've read so far is that 'I don't want my kids to hear about sex from teachers for any reason and if some kids won't learn about inappropriate touching and end up abused, too bad for them'. As one poster put it "They Live". That right there demonstrates a stunning lack of compassion for anyone not them or theirs. I'm sure its not reflective of their overall outlook. I'm simply talking about the statement itself.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 11:36:03 AM
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You're right, Slime IS Getting Thick; Did you see this one from Obama?
Barack Obama on Sarah Palin: ‘You Can Put Lipstick on a Pig, But It’s Still a Pig’
HERE
Sorry, but the interpretation you have chosen to place on Obama's remarks is simply invalid.
YOUR OWN CITE reads:
> That’s not change,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
“You know, you can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said, “but it’s still a pig.”<
Obama was clearly referring to the tired, old, business as usual - failed - McCain platform policies, 95% of the Bush failures that got us into this mess.
Only someone seeking to take offense - as the GOP is rather gleefully indulging themselves today - could possibly have thought that Obama was referring personally to Palin. And probably even the GOP yippers knoiw better and are merely 'thickening the slime', creating a controversy where none exists.
Shame on you.
Don't shame on me, I didn't say it!! I didn't even say I agreed with it. I was only showing the Slime that is out there --- on both sides --- being smeared around by the political trouble-makers and the internet. The topic is on 'The Slime is getting thick', isn't it?
Shame on you I said, and shame on you I meant - if you don't want to held responsible for what YOU throw onto the Forum as a comment, don't throw it onto the Forum.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 11:42:22 AM
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However what I've read so far is that 'I don't want my kids to hear about sex from teachers for any reason and if some kids won't learn about inappropriate touching and end up abused, too bad for them'. As one poster put it "They Live". That right there demonstrates a stunning lack of compassion for anyone not them or theirs. I'm sure its not reflective of their overall outlook. I'm simply talking about the statement itself.
I agree the way that was said is not right.
I think what that poster is trying to say is that sometimes we have to draw a line. We must stop the government at some point from intruding into our homelives. Where do we draw that line?
No matter where the line is drawn children are going to be abused. Even if the gov. takes our children completely away from us some will be abused.
Many children know about good/bad touches from cartoons. But that has not stopped many from being abused and not reporting it.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:00:02 PM
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Well…, if you lived to, than you should know what, how, and when to teach your children what they need to know; your senses should be sharpened to this. What, compared to you, me, and others like us (this includes boys), does schools know about the reality of this issue and what to do, where and who to go to ask questions and/or get help?
This would be part of the education..... I am sensitive to it have been sensitive to it and had to teach my kids because they were abused as well by a kid, not an adult. Parents tend to forget that other children can be predators too. That wasn't taught to my kids in school. I "thought" I had taught my kids..... I just didn't think to warn them about other kids and family members, the supposed safe people!
People to close to any given situation forget the important things because they don't consider them threats. Objective viewpoints often will hit what we as insiders will miss. Insiders meaning parents.
The saying goes, it takes a whole community to raise a child. Schools, churches, other parents make up a community.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:05:42 PM
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The Bible tells us that it takes parents to raise a child. The church can come along side and help us but it's the parent's responsibility.
Not a public godless school system.
They saying is a secular one.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:11:08 PM
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Shame on you I said, and shame on you I meant - if you don't want to held responsible for what YOU throw onto the Forum as a comment, don't throw it onto the Forum.
Well at least I didn't start a new thread on the subject, or participate in it when someone else stated the discussion. Did you participate in it?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:14:26 PM
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The Bible tells us that it takes parents to raise a child. The church can come along side and help us but it's the parent's responsibility.
Not a public godless school system.
They saying is a secular one.
Well, if your child attends public or private school, goes to church, participates in extracurricular activities or does anything beyond staying within the walls of your house, the community is participating in the education of your child.
The bible also states, do not forsake the assembling of the saints.....
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:14:34 PM
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No one has a problem with teaching "safety" at school. It's the "sex education" to small children we are against.
What is the "sex education" that was going to be taught?
-Dan.
Probably something like what the "We Are Family Foundation" promoted which is heavily into indoctrinating elementary kids with homosexuality. They had a bunch of stuff on their websites in their resources for teachers section until Dr. Dobson shined the spotlight on them then they removed it expsoing their guilt.
Unfortunately the web leaves footprints so it was still there in the archives to incriminate them.
They had planned to use cartoon characters to "voice" their unseemly message of ""tolerance"".
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I agree with the dog posting above. I am pretty sure it's early indoctrination for homosexuality and abortion.
I agree!!
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:18:33 PM
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The huffington post is an awful source to use. It's known for its far left views. You may as well post the Daily Kos.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 1:16:49 PM
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Would this translate that love and sex between two men is acceptable?
Actually yes. There have already been several schools taken to task for allowing books such as "I have two mommies" and "I have two daddies" to be used as part of their curriculum.
I have a serious problem with the school systems trying to legitimize homosexual relationships.
Schools are looked upon as authority figures to children and when what the school teaches conflicts with what a parent tells their children it becomes confusing to the child.
When you try to teach your child what the Bible says and they respond, "But Daddy, that's not what teacher says," I then have the difficult responsibility to tell my child that they can't believe everything they are taught in school. How does that affect the rest of their education?
If they can't believe one thing a teacher tells them how do young children know when they can trust a teacher.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 1:25:18 PM
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Well, if your child attends public or private school, goes to church, participates in extracurricular activities or does anything beyond staying within the walls of your house, the community is participating in the education of your child.
I am one of the fortunate ones who was able to afford a private school for my son. I selected a school based on what "they" wanted to teach and what "I" was in agreement with. It did not include sex education to children. I was able to make a choice because I could "afford to".
The school system was not set up to teach our children that sex between two men is a choice not to be judged by others are wrong. The school system was not set up to "undermind" what I teach at home. Unfortunately today the Public School System today does exactly that. Undermind what Christian Parents and the Chruch teaches.
I did not allow "others" to educate my son in ways that would "undermind" what I was teaching at home.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 1:29:33 PM
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I suppose I am one of the fortunate whose children attend a public school that does have Christian teachers and a sex ed program that DOES NOT advocate homosexuality or premarital sex in the least. That doesn't take money, that takes strong Christians willing to take a stand and a strong support system from Christian based families.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 1:34:30 PM
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That doesn't take money, that takes strong Christians willing to take a stand and a strong support system from Christian based families.
You have kinda contraticted yourself here in light of "this thread".
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