Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian

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JerrynDolli -> Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 12:55:17 PM)
Just want your opinion. It is amazing how some forum members are now regular members in less than 40 days??? Do you think their main objective is to get Christians to chose a canidate (Obama) based on economic fear, rather than a canidate (McCain/Palin) based upon moral values (pro Life, etc...)? Better yet. Are they gathering information on how they can manipulate Christian values, therefore, manipulating their vote through getting them to compromise their stance on moral values for a better tomorrow... hopes based upon smooth empty words of an eloquent speaker without a plan? As in Conversing,Convincing and then getting the listener to Change by doubting righteous convictions and calling good evil (like the serpent convince Eve to doubt God... through smooth speech)? Yes Or No... Please give your opinion. ~Dolli

huskarine -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 1:31:37 PM)
The same suspicion could be held about you Dolli...

WesP -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 1:34:44 PM)
I do not think anyone can say yes or no on this. IMHO, I believe there are some who come here with the intentions of just instigating argument, but I believe that is a small minority. I have also noticed that most of the posters here remain within their original set of ideals and are not swayed in another direction. Check out the thread about switching candidates. I think that is a relatively accurate display of people's perspectives.

StephK -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 1:39:47 PM)
Some of them are obvious. A lot of the new threads are following the latest talking points, rumor, speculation, etc. I just mostly slap the red hand (the ignore feature) at the bottom of their posts and do not worry about them. I've been on this site long enough to know that Fritz runs a tight ship. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last time.

stamper_ben -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 1:43:47 PM)
I did "hear" that these forums were linked to from a left wing blog. I don't know for a fact. BUT! I am some what surprised at the new amount of traffic we have in here, on both sides. I say that it is imperative that those of us who are regulars here make every effort to be the light shining brightly that Jesus talked about in the parable. We must remember that in our posts, no matter how heated the discussion gets.

SuspenseWriter -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:07:53 PM)
It doesn't really surprise me to have an influx of liberals to the site at this stage of the game. What does surprise me is the sheer number of them. That simply tells me they'd thought they had this thing wrapped up, and then Palin went and scared the whiz out of them.

TMeeks -> Of course they are (9/8/2008 2:08:32 PM)
This practice started with the first Clinton Term. Targeting forums where you know that the bulk of the people would not favor your candidate is a popular ploy. It's a no brainer. The Salem forum system has the largest number of members of any of the Christian forums entering through multiple portals. It would be a forum that a candidate would consider to be very influential among a wide audience. One give-away is when you see a poster that isn't comfortable posting in any other forums except those related to politics. So, I routinely look at the poster's profiles to see who I'm dealing with. The other clue is that several people arrived at the very same time (Early August) and have about 4 pages of posts (all political). It seemed that the mole light switch was thrown in early August.

ayani -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:13:10 PM)
I hope some of the new visitors are non-Christians, so they can hear about the good news of Jesus Christ, and God's love for them. Hopefully we treat them in a way that they will be responsive to us. I actually am very encouraged: last election evangelicals were totally in the bag for the republican party. It seems some are looking again at their values, and finding that there are indeed moral issues outside the two hot-button issues of outlawing abortion and homosexuality, that the leadership of the Christian Right has in the past convinced evangelicals are the only issues a Christian ever has to think about.

WesP -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:17:32 PM)
quote: I actually am very encouraged: last election evangelicals were totally in the bag for the republican party. It seems some are looking again at their values, and finding that there are indeed moral issues outside the two hot-button issues of outlawing abortion and homosexuality, that the leadership of the Christian Right has in the past convinced evangelicals are the only issues a Christian ever has to think about. You are making this overly simplistic, and you are attempting to make evangelicals look ignorant and lost. There are many issues besides those 2 to consider, but a Christian is also called to defend the teachings of Christ. We are not to give in to the world because the world wants convenience and self-satisfaction.

SuspenseWriter -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:18:45 PM)
See what I mean? Where in the world did all these abortion-loving, gay-"marriage"-affirming, tax-raising liberals come from in these last few days? Did the secret Bat Signal go out or what?

JerrynDolli -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:26:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: huskarine The same suspicion could be held about you Dolli... I could be suspect... but, I'm not. I'm a Christian... not right or left. Dem or Rep. Jesus is Right and He is my righteousness. Therefore I stand In Him who is Right. I believe most saints are Pro Life and NOT Pro Choice. I find it very difficult to believe those who know Psalm 139 recognize that it proclaims that God knew who we were before we were form and knitted together in our mother's womb. I believe they have to be convince and deceived to think otherwise. I know because before I was a christian walking in selfishness and darkness... I was in agreement of of women having an abortion. I believed ... no I rationalized with Plan Parenthoods proganda... their lies. However, I was just a selfish person who did not want to be burden with these women who I felt used pregnancy to obtain welfare monies. Bottom line selfish me did not want to be used by lazy people who where using pregnancy as a means to be taken care of. What a mean ugly heart I had. I did not know Christ and it showed. No one but the Holy Spirit through Christ Jesus reveal my hateful heart. I know that when a person has Christ in their heart, there isn't any way they could have an abortion or agreed to it being right unless they have a reprobate mind. If they agree I know conviction is ringing in their ears. So all I'm saying is how can people come to a forum who claim to christians and debate that abortion is right... when they know what Christianity stands for... esteeming others, such as unborns... dying for another as Christ did for us. So I wonder the people who try to convince saints to agree with wrong, they know followers of Christ Jesus would choose Life??? I want to know if anyone who is liberal convinced anyone to change? Or if you're a true Christian has anyone changed your thinking? Does anyone think people come to a Christian forum to convince or doubt the Word about the walking in the way the bible says to walk? Another reason I asked, is because my friend almost departed from the truth about agreeing with someone who doesn't accept that life begins at conception and abortion should be a choice (Obama)??? She stated she has been conversing with a guy at work. So I asked does He know Jesus, is he christian. Corrupt communication corrupts good behavior... it's written in the word. And this forum is a means of communication. So I do believe people are sent to corrupts God's people??? Just my opinion??? I want us all to stand for Truth and not fall for manipulation or schemes... anything. ~Dolli

blessedinnyc -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:27:06 PM)
I'd love to discuss this some more, but there is a secret meeting I need to get to at the UN with the Masons and the Rockefeller family. We are putting the finishing touches on the plan for the final stage of setting up the New World Order and the end of US sovereignty. This conspiracy runs a whole lot deeper than your theory, silly human!

JerrynDolli -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:37:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc I'd love to discuss this some more, but there is a secret meeting I need to get to at the UN with the Masons and the Rockefeller family. We are putting the finishing touches on the plan for the final stage of setting up the New World Order and the end of US sovereignty. This conspiracy runs a whole lot deeper than your theory, silly human! Well don't let me stop you[;)] Anyway as I stated, another reason I asked, is because my friend almost departed from the truth about agreeing with someone who doesn't accept that life begins at conception and abortion should be a choice (Obama)??? She stated she has been conversing with a guy at work. So I asked does He know Jesus, is he christian. Corrupt communication corrupts good behavior... it's written in the word. And this forum is a means of communication. So I do believe people are sent to corrupts God's people??? Just my opinion???

JerrynDolli -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:45:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ayani I hope some of the new visitors are non-Christians, so they can hear about the good news of Jesus Christ, and God's love for them. Hopefully we treat them in a way that they will be responsive to us. I actually am very encouraged: last election evangelicals were totally in the bag for the republican party. It seems some are looking again at their values, and finding that there are indeed moral issues outside the two hot-button issues of outlawing abortion and homosexuality, that the leadership of the Christian Right has in the past convinced evangelicals are the only issues a Christian ever has to think about. I do look at values.... however, judgement does begin in the house of God. Therefore... change begins with us first. Inspiring unbelievers to want to know Jesus begans with our own lives ... lifestyle showcasing Gods Grace as we walk in obedience. It is very hard to convince the world unbelievers that God is wonderful and Holy when so many saints are doing the same as the world... sometimes worse. After all, I didn't want Jesus, because so called christians lived a life worse than unbelievers... in the wide open... not even behind close doors. Look unbelievers usually know what they do... they serve another god. However, believers has the Grace of God to trust and obey to do it his way. So I throw no stones at unbelievers. I don't true to convince them through my words... but my lifestyle. However, I do speak to the saints in boldness, because we are eachothers keepers and open rebuke is better than secret love. If it were not for open rebuke... I would still be arrogant and ugly in the sight of God... and still have not arrived. ~Dolli

blessedinnyc -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:48:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JerrynDolli Well don't let me stop you[;)] Anyway as I stated, another reason I asked, is because my friend almost departed from the truth about agreeing with someone who doesn't accept that life begins at conception and abortion should be a choice (Obama)??? There's several questions on abortion that make me lean libertarian on the abortion issue: -Is it my place to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body? -If this is a moral issue that should apply to everyone, can't we use secular reasoning? Why do many pro-lifers (often extremely vocal Christians) automatically assume it's the Christians vs. the Satan Worshippers and Atheists on this issue? What does this say about Jesus to those who consider abortion a "right"? -If the feds can control a woman's body, what else can they control? According to Hal Lindsey, our government is, at the very least, strongly under the influence of Satan. Do we really want to give it more power? -We normally should only pass laws if we can prove that a behavior is harmful. Is abortion harmful to an actual person? Or is it only harmful to an embryo? There may be enough basis to prevent 2nd-term abortions when the embryo becomes a fetus with brain cells (which may very well constitute a person), but second-term abortions are extremely rare in the first place. quote: She stated she has been conversing with a guy at work. So I asked does He know Jesus, is he christian. Corrupt communication corrupts good behavior... it's written in the word. And this forum is a means of communication. So I do believe people are sent to corrupts God's people??? Just my opinion??? Reason, done properly, never leads people to the wrong conclusions. I think that most of the discussions we have on these forums involve reason done properly.

TMeeks -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 2:54:35 PM)
No. But, it is a cyclical thing... like locusts returning every 17 years. They simply crawl out of their holes every 4 years and start madly typing democrat talking points. [:D] The libs are so familiar with the drill that they innoculate themselves from that same kind of activity on their forums. They censor and quickly remove all dissentors. quote: ORIGINAL: SuspenseWriter See what I mean? Where in the world did all these abortion-loving, gay-"marriage"-affirming, tax-raising liberals come from in these last few days? Did the secret Bat Signal go out or what?

stamper_ben -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 3:03:40 PM)
Don't we change that train of thought? That one that refers to a an embryo as being a thing that no harm can come to rather than a person? Then maybe abortion would be thought of as indeed harming a person if they were to have their life taken.

TMeeks -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 3:13:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc -Is it my place to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body? So, the government (we the people) should simply take a hands off view of suicide, drug abuse and prostitution? quote: -If this is a moral issue that should apply to everyone, can't we use secular reasoning? Why do many pro-lifers (often extremely vocal Christians) automatically assume it's the Christians vs. the Satan Worshippers and Atheists on this issue? What does this say about Jesus to those who consider abortion a "right"? Jesus Christ is God Almighty, he created the process by which a human is reproduced. It's called conception. The battle between pro-abortion and pro-life was NOT initiated by those that are pro-life. That simply was the historical given until the pro-abortion crowd made it a fight. Those who consider abortion a "right" have staked out their ground against the Creator God and elevated their own selves above God. Our giving in to their way of thinking would never change their view of God. it would only confirm to them their 'rightness'. quote: -If the feds can control a woman's body, what else can they control? According to Hal Lindsey, our government is, at the very least, strongly under the influence of Satan. Do we really want to give it more power? Did you miss the part about the abortion rights group wanting the government to FUND abortions? It's not just about 'freedom' of a woman's body. It's also about paying for a woman's choice. And, you probably missed the part obout the government controlling a child's body with forcing innoculations that may or may not be harmful. They also force people coming into this country to have certain shots. quote: -We normally should only pass laws if we can prove that a behavior is harmful. Is abortion harmful to an actual person? Or is it only harmful to an embryo? There may be enough basis to prevent 2nd-term abortions when the embryo becomes a fetus with brain cells (which may very well constitute a person), but second-term abortions are extremely rare in the first place. Again, the reason for your position is that the very foundations of your theological understanding are seriously flawed. To ask a question like "Or is it only harmful to an embryo?" shows a profound disrespect for the creative work of God in an individual's life. And, to equate humanity with 'brain cells' is just plain heresy in any but the most liberal of theological histories. Your god, I'm afraid, is too small and is only big enough to conform to your intellectual physical understanding. There seems to be no place for the SOUL in your view of what is human. That's a shame.

JerrynDolli -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 3:16:34 PM)
I must dis agree with your statement, Blessedinnyc. quote: -If the feds can control a woman's body, what else can they control? In fact, your statement below is so shallow, and based upon a lie. Look there is nothing new under the sun. If man and woman committed adultery there was a penalty. They were stoned because of the sin they committed. However, what sin has an unborn child committed. Is it his/her fault that God decided to created them at the moment of conception. That child life does not belong to the woman... even the woman's body is not her own. She was created by God... therefore, her body is God's. Now I realize the unbeliever may not comprehend this. However, because we do, we should protect the life. After all, the didn't the pregnant woman's mother conceived and gave birth to her . Yet, she denys the same right for her unborn child to exist and express his/her existence in the world. So laws should be design to protect life. After all no one aborted you or I. Here we are expressing ourselves. Below is a law in which people were put to death... because the wives body belonged to holy matrimony with her husband. ************************************** Leviticus 20:10 NAS 'If there is a man who commits adultery with another man's wife, one who commits adultery with his friend's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. quote: -We normally should only pass laws if we can prove that a behavior is harmful. Is abortion harmful to an actual person? Or is it only harmful to an embryo? There may be enough basis to prevent 2nd-term abortions when the embryo becomes a fetus with brain cells (which may very well constitute a person), but second-term abortions are extremely rare in the first place. Again, this Psalms states point blank... conception is the beginning of Life. It is not when mankind decides if it is a hinderance or inconvenience. ******************** Psalms 139:13-17: 13.For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. 14.I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made : marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15.My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16.Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written , which in continuance were fashioned , when as yet there was none of them. 17.How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! ********************************************************** THANK GOD OUR MOTHERS DID NOT PULL THE PLUG ON US OR HAVE OUR BODIES DESTROYED WITHIN THEIR WOMBS. THERE IS NO OTHER YOU... YOU ARE UNIQUE AND FEARFULLY... WONDERFULLY MADE AND I SO GLAD GOD CREATED YOU FOR SUCH A MOMENT AS THIS... TO REASON TOGHETHER. GOD IS GOOD AND YOU'RE A DESIGNER ORIGINAL. ~Dolli

TMeeks -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 3:22:03 PM)
What is really tragic is that those who champion abortion on demand have resort to outright lies about Christianities historical theology of personhood. They invariably either ignore the existence of the 'SOUL' or they attach to it a physical explanation i.e a functioning brain. But, as Christians that believe that a person is at least Body and Soul and usually Body, Soul and Spirit. We know that a human being is not just another animal on thise earth. It is a unique creation having a body with animal characteristics and a soul having eternal existence. There can be only one logical explanation for the creation of the soul and that is at conception. quote: ORIGINAL: stamper_ben Don't we change that train of thought? That one that refers to a an embryo as being a thing that no harm can come to rather than a person? Then maybe abortion would be thought of as indeed harming a person if they were to have their life taken.

SwedishCovenant -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 3:22:57 PM)
Just a question - would you mind defining 'slander' (being a written medium, it's actually 'libel')?

JerrynDolli -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 3:27:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant Just a question - would you mind defining 'slander' (being a written medium, it's actually 'libel')? thank you ...[8\|]for that insight... I was expecting your usual spin.

SuspenseWriter -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 3:28:14 PM)
People like "blessed" baffle the socks off me. When my wife and I found out she was pregnant with our first child (two months along), we did something "blessed" would probably laugh at. We laid hands on her abdomen and dedicated that baby back to the Lord. I can remember that night like it was yesterday. We were both newly-saved, and as poor as church mice. We had no health insurance, and many counseled abortion for us (it had just been legalized). But we knew God had placed that child there for such a purpose, and such a time. As we prayed I began to weep, and as a burly old ex-serviceman, that doesn't come easily for me. But as my tears fell on my wife's stomach, we both could literally feel the peace of God come into the room. God supernaturally provided for us, and although it was a struggle, we wouldn't have traded our son's life, not that of our our children (another son, and a baby girl awaiting us in heaven) for anything. Today our son Mike is grown and married, he and his wife with sons of their own, and they're all serving on the mission field. So the question arises: how can somebody's heart be so callused that they wouldn't have even blinked at ripping that boy away from us that night, and flushing him down the sewer? I can undertand it from non-Christians; satan is their lord, and has darkened their minds. But for a Christian not to have a problem with it? How can the Holy Spirit not convict them? Are their hearts that hard? I can't get my head around that. I just can't.

JerrynDolli -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 3:36:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc Is it my place to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body? Oh by the way, we can expect as we grow older... all those who agree with women rights to have an abortion and take a innocent childs life. Well, just realize the future generation of children who observes us picking and choosing which child is to live or die, as in no one is stepping up to the plate to protect their innocent lives. Just realize in years to come, the upcoming generation of children that are desensitize to life by the freedom of choice to kill or not to kill. Well next generation will not think twice of discarding their elders life.... maybe, as young as fifty. After all, there will be to many elderly taxing the system. And youth is the way. You know less adult fifty and above. What do they have to offer anyway. It is their right to chose... the right of choice to get rid of elderly parents who are a burden to their lifestyle. We haven't seen selfish yet. After all, it is already being displayed with McCain. There has been older people than him running corporations. If we want to get biblical. Moses died fit at I think eighty. Don't quote me, but he was very old.

davemiller7 -> RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The Forums To Slander Palin Because She's A Christian (9/8/2008 4:02:03 PM)
By your post, I believe you are saying that an "embryo" is not an actual person. I believe it is a person from the moment of conception, therefore, abortion is very harmful to an actual person. It's called murder. -Dave quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc We normally should only pass laws if we can prove that a behavior is harmful. Is abortion harmful to an actual person? Or is it only harmful to an embryo? There may be enough basis to prevent 2nd-term abortions when the embryo becomes a fetus with brain cells (which may very well constitute a person), but second-term abortions are extremely rare in the first place.

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