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Bob_George -> Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 8:28:58 AM)

I've heard people say Obama is too liberal for America. But what about Palin? Is she too far the other way, too conservative, for mainstream America?

She is against abortion, even in the cases incest and rape. Asked what she'd do if he teenage daughter was raped and became pregnant, she said she'd "choose life". She supports abstinence-only sex education in schools. She wants to teach creationism in public schools. She is a strong supporter of capital punishment. She is very pro-gun. She doesn't believe in global warming. etc.

All of this is very out-of-touch with mainstream America. You have to admit she is very far right. Is she too extreme for mainstream America?



WesP -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 8:41:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bob_George

I've heard people say Obama is too liberal for America. But what about Palin? Is she too far the other way, too conservative, for mainstream America?

She is against abortion, even in the cases incest and rape. Asked what she'd do if he teenage daughter was raped and became pregnant, she said she'd "choose life". She supports abstinence-only sex education in schools. She wants to teach creationism in public schools. She is a strong supporter of capital punishment. She is very pro-gun. She doesn't believe in global warming. etc.

All of this is very out-of-touch with mainstream America. You have to admit she is very far right. Is she too extreme for mainstream America?


I am with her in all of the instances you mentioned, so I am cool with it! [;)]



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 8:57:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WesP

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ORIGINAL: Bob_George

I've heard people say Obama is too liberal for America. But what about Palin? Is she too far the other way, too conservative, for mainstream America?

She is against abortion, even in the cases incest and rape. Asked what she'd do if he teenage daughter was raped and became pregnant, she said she'd "choose life". She supports abstinence-only sex education in schools. She wants to teach creationism in public schools. She is a strong supporter of capital punishment. She is very pro-gun. She doesn't believe in global warming. etc.

All of this is very out-of-touch with mainstream America. You have to admit she is very far right. Is she too extreme for mainstream America?


I am with her in all of the instances you mentioned, so I am cool with it! [;)]

Yes but what about mainstream America? What about the 80% of Americans who are pro-choice? How can Palin possible make them comfortable with her being against abortion in every case except when it can save a woman's life?



WesP -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:03:17 AM)

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Yes but what about mainstream America? What about the 80% of Americans who are pro-choice? How can Palin possible make them comfortable with her being against abortion in every case except when it can save a woman's life?


I don't know. All I can do is pray for that 80% to receive the truth from God. Also, consider that many times what we need is not what we want. That is typical of human nature. I think your group of people in your example need to be uncomfortable until they can get it right. [:D]



Thessa -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:07:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bob_George

I've heard people say Obama is too liberal for America. But what about Palin? Is she too far the other way, too conservative, for mainstream America?

She is against abortion, even in the cases incest and rape. Asked what she'd do if he teenage daughter was raped and became pregnant, she said she'd "choose life". She supports abstinence-only sex education in schools. She wants to teach creationism in public schools. She is a strong supporter of capital punishment. She is very pro-gun. She doesn't believe in global warming. etc.

All of this is very out-of-touch with mainstream America. You have to admit she is very far right. Is she too extreme for mainstream America?



Everything she is for, most of America agrees with.
I think you are the one thats out of touch with what America needs.



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:07:59 AM)

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Yes but what about mainstream America? What about the 80% of Americans who are pro-choice? How can Palin possible make them comfortable with her being against abortion in every case except when it can save a woman's life?


I don't know. All I can do is pray for that 80% to receive the truth from God. Also, consider that many times what we need is not what we want. That is typical of human nature. I think your group of people in your example need to be uncomfortable until they can get it right. [:D]

But you're not really answering the question that was raised in this thread. If Obama is too Liberal for mainstream America, than is Palin far too conservative for mainstream America?



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:10:58 AM)

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Everything she is for, most of America agrees with.
I think you are the one thats out of touch with what America needs.


80% of Americans don't agree with her.



Thessa -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:11:20 AM)

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But you're not really answering the question that was raised in this thread. If Obama is too Liberal for mainstream America, than is Palin far too conservative for mainstream America?



You're not making any sense.
If Obama is too liberal then obviously we need a conservative in there.



Thessa -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:12:26 AM)

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Everything she is for, most of America agrees with.
I think you are the one thats out of touch with what America needs.


80% of Americans don't agree with her.



Proove it.



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:15:53 AM)

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But you're not really answering the question that was raised in this thread. If Obama is too Liberal for mainstream America, than is Palin far too conservative for mainstream America?



You're not making any sense.
If Obama is too liberal then obviously we need a conservative in there.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Conservatives like to say Obama is too Liberal for mainstream America. Which isn't true, but regardless, could the opposite be applied to Palin? Is she too far the other way? Is Palin too far right, to neo-conservative for the American public who, according to statistics and polls are more in line with Liberal thinking than Conservative thinking?



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:17:03 AM)

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Everything she is for, most of America agrees with.
I think you are the one thats out of touch with what America needs.


80% of Americans don't agree with her.



Proove it.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/22/opinion/polls/main537570.shtml

On the 30th anniversary of the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision, a CBS News/New York Times poll finds the vast majority of Americans continues to believe that abortion should remain available in at least some cases.

Seventy-seven percent of respondents said abortion should either be generally available, or available but with stricter limits than now. Just 22 percent said abortion should not be permitted.

Public sentiment on the issue is about the same as it was ten years ago. The latest findings show the number of Americans who believe that abortion should be generally available is up slightly from two years ago, and about the same as it was in the spring of 2000.



Thessa -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:24:41 AM)

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But you're not really answering the question that was raised in this thread. If Obama is too Liberal for mainstream America, than is Palin far too conservative for mainstream America?



You're not making any sense.
If Obama is too liberal then obviously we need a conservative in there.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Conservatives like to say Obama is too Liberal for mainstream America. Which isn't true, but regardless, could the opposite be applied to Palin? Is she too far the other way? Is Palin too far right, to neo-conservative for the American public who, according to statistics and polls are more in line with Liberal thinking than Conservative thinking?



Ahhh i see what ur saying now. Sorry bout that. lol
But it still dosent make any sense. Theres no proof of what you are saying. And the link you gave me shows no proof either. Its kinda funny in a way that just the other day i saw a post of urs that said how innacurate polls are and now you are clinging to one for evidence to support what you are saying.
Just so ya know...polls dont ever poll everyone in America. I have yet to ever be polled. I also dont know a single person thats ever been polled. Ive asked them. I dont know where they get their numbers but they must go to the most liberal states in america and poll them. Because they are never ever accurate to whats right.
But according to that poll on the link - im sure you dont think that everyone in America voted on that do you? If they did then the numbers would be FAR lower than that. Trust me. Alot of people in America dont want abortion to be legalized.



rcjames -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:27:01 AM)

I do not consider Ms. Palin to be "Far" right, but more mainstream.

Far right would be where I am at; somewhere between Attila the Hun and Strom Thurmond. [8D]


Thanks
RC



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:32:38 AM)

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But it still dosent make any sense. Theres no proof of what you are saying.

I'm not saying anything. I'm asking. Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? What makes her less extreme on the conservative side than Obama is on the liberal side?

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Its kinda funny in a way that just the other day i saw a post of urs that said how innacurate polls are and now you are clinging to one for evidence to support what you are saying.

I was talking about polls in terms of who is projected to win the election. There's no way they can be accurate. It's just hard to conduct an accurate poll like that.

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But according to that poll on the link - im sure you dont think that everyone in America voted on that do you?

Of course not. Do you know about sampling? They take a sample of the larger concensus and they ideally have people of different age groups, race, gender, location (they rarely will poll people from one state for example).

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If they did then the numbers would be FAR lower than that. Trust me. Alot of people in America dont want abortion to be legalized.


Proove it.

p.s. prove it with facts, statistics, poll results etc. Not just your own educated guess.



Thessa -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:43:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bob_George

I'm not saying anything. I'm asking. Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? What makes her less extreme on the conservative side than Obama is on the liberal side?


I know you. lol
You ARE saying it - you are just wondering if anyone else agrees.

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I was talking about polls in terms of who is projected to win the election. There's no way they can be accurate. It's just hard to conduct an accurate poll like that.


Polls are polls. They are all the same. Not everyone gets to vote.

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Of course not. Do you know about sampling? They take a sample of the larger concensus and they ideally have people of different age groups, race, gender, location (they rarely will poll people from one state for example).


My point exactly. Its not based on much of anything.
Take a poll here on this site and you will see different results. I promise you that.


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Proove it.

p.s. prove it with facts, statistics, poll results etc. Not just your own educated guess.


When is the last time a liberal, an abortion loving guy, was elected President? Oh yeah...8 years ago. I think that stands for itself as to what America wants and what they dont.



WesP -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:44:26 AM)

She cannot be that far out of the mainstream. Bob_George is citing an abortion statistic, but that does not denote a complete disregard for Palin. Since McCain is holding approximately 42% of the polls, she simply cannot be that far out. If she is, then the polls should reflect the total disconnect.



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:47:37 AM)

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My point exactly. Its not based on much of anything.
Take a poll here on this site and you will see different results. I promise you that.

That wouldn't be a fair sample. Everybody here is a conservative Christian.

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When is the last time a liberal, an abortion loving guy, was elected President?

Name one Liberal who loves abortions.



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:48:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WesP

She cannot be that far out of the mainstream. Bob_George is citing an abortion statistic, but that does not denote a complete disregard for Palin. Since McCain is holding approximately 42% of the polls, she simply cannot be that far out. If she is, then the polls should reflect the total disconnect.

By that logic, Obama is not far out either. He's not "the most Liberal candidate ever to run for President". Using your logic he is line with mainstream America because he dominates the polls.



ayani -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:50:10 AM)

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Is she too extreme for mainstream America?


We don't know nearly enough about her yet to answer that question. She hasn't given us much information on her position on issues of national importance. She hasn't made any policy speeches since she became VP nominee, hasn't given interviews.

Of the issues that you mention, I think the ones that could put her outside the mainstream of most americans is teaching creationism and not teaching about birth control, in public schools. Sympathy for these views is generally limited to deep hard-core conservatives.

I think the other thing issue that has the potential to turn-off the moderate, swing-voters is use of her religious views to support specific policy decisions. There is a video clip of her on Youtube speaking to her congregation, seeming to invoke divine mandate for the Iraq war and a natural gas pipeline. Again, we don't know enought about this yet, but her views on the relationship between private faith and public policy has potential to raise questions in a lot of people's minds about whether she'd 'too conservative'.



Thessa -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:51:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WesP

She cannot be that far out of the mainstream. Bob_George is citing an abortion statistic, but that does not denote a complete disregard for Palin. Since McCain is holding approximately 42% of the polls, she simply cannot be that far out. If she is, then the polls should reflect the total disconnect.



Very true.
And look at this - the latest gallup poll. Looks like Obama has lost his edge. lol

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx



Thessa -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:53:38 AM)

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My point exactly. Its not based on much of anything.
Take a poll here on this site and you will see different results. I promise you that.

That wouldn't be a fair sample. Everybody here is a conservative Christian.


So? Thats alot of America. I saw a poll the other day that had 92% of Americans believe in God.
And most who believe in God knows his word to be correct and the one to follow. So therefore they would not support what Obama supports.

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When is the last time a liberal, an abortion loving guy, was elected President?

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Name one Liberal who loves abortions.



My point exactly. Americans vote for President and for the last 8 years they have not wanted one in office that supports abortion. Coincidence?
Not just that though. Most liberal views as well. Im actually shocked Obama hasnt changed his mind on abortion too. I look for it to happen soon if he keeps trailing in the polls like he is.



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:53:51 AM)

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Very true.
And look at this - the latest gallup poll. Looks like Obama has lost his edge. lol

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx
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http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

He's still ahead. Which is not much to say for McCain since he should be basking in the glory of the GOP convention. RNC apparently more watch than the DNC. Yet Obama is still ahead.



Bob_George -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:56:15 AM)

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My point exactly.

No it's not. Your point was America hasn't elected an "abortion loving" president in 8 years. My point is no Liberal (that I no of) loves abortions. Of even supports abortions. They support choice. Not abortions.



Thessa -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:56:40 AM)

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Very true.
And look at this - the latest gallup poll. Looks like Obama has lost his edge. lol

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx
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http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

He's still ahead. Which is not much to say for McCain since he should be basking in the glory of the GOP convention. RNC apparently more watch than the DNC. Yet Obama is still ahead.



Hes not ahead. The other day he was at 50%. The first time he saw 50% since he got the nomination. Hes trailing.
McCain is ahead.



WesP -> RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? (9/7/2008 9:57:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bob_George

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ORIGINAL: WesP

She cannot be that far out of the mainstream. Bob_George is citing an abortion statistic, but that does not denote a complete disregard for Palin. Since McCain is holding approximately 42% of the polls, she simply cannot be that far out. If she is, then the polls should reflect the total disconnect.

By that logic, Obama is not far out either. He's not "the most Liberal candidate ever to run for President". Using your logic he is line with mainstream America because he dominates the polls.


Sadly, that is true. You followed my logic impeccably.



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