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ORIGINAL: ManimalX

lj, what would we do without you?

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ORIGINAL: ManimalX

lj, what would we do without you?

Have to waste your time telling people why Reagan and Obama don't have much in common.

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

Before he became president, Ronald Reagan was:

- A lifeguard who saved dozens of lives
- HS student body president
- A college football player
- Student body president of his college
- A broadcaster, including for the Chicago Cubs
- First Lieutenant in the Army Air Corps
- A successful actor
- A six term union president
- An occasional columnist
- A two term governor of California

As you can see there isn't a lot in common with Obama.

Like I said, he was "unqualified" by Obama's critic's standards. When he ran for Governor, he had nothing to put down really other than brief military service and being an actor. But he was famous and could command a crowd. What does being an athlete or lifeguard have to do with governemtn?......This is exactly why Obama critics are ridiculous sometmies. ....So one-sided.

Then he ran for President right after becoming Gov........about exact same exprience as Obama had, but with much less educational experience, no teaching at a law school, no being a civil rights lawyer, no being a community organizer, no being a Senator, no authoring two books.

Look at his qualifications each time he ran, not his total qualifications over all those years.

What did he do? What was the relevant experience he had to be Gov.? ....acting/military.

What was the relevant experience he had for Pres. the first time he ran (like right now with Obama)....not much more, if not less than Obama.

Also for all those acheivements, Barack had more and could easily match those.

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His "brief" military service was nine years. He had also testified before Congress. And he spent the better part of a decade touring the country and learning about the American people and letting them get to know him.

Working for ACORN as a community organizer is not exactly a badge of honor given that they routinely commit voter registration fraud.

Most civil rights lawyers spend their time trying to steal our civil rights. They don't want equal opportunity, they want fixed outcomes. Being a civil rights thief is hardly a resume builder.

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With fewer qualifications than Obama, Reagan - a great public speaker - won the CA governor's election and then became President....

Can the rise of the two be compared similarly? They both had great speaking ability that showed knowledge of politics and morality.

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My point is that they are either both equally qualified or both equally unqualified.

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Ok, I see Palin is a Governor, conservative (like Reagan) and a good orator in her own right,

And I thought she was a “chatter box”.

Let us not get confused. “Straight talk” is not a sign of good linguistics. It is just “simple" and "pain talk”.

FreddieD

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I've always considered the Democratic equivalent of Ronald Reagan to be Bill Clinton.

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I've always considered the Democratic equivalent of Ronald Reagan to be Bill Clinton.

There is no such thing as a Democratic equivalent of Ronald Reagan.
Ronald Reagan was much more than Bill Clinton will ever hope to be.
Since Reagan there hasnt been person to match his greatness in office. He set the bar very high and its unlikely that will ever be achieved, in my opinion.
The same thing can be said of Democrats and JFK. There will never be another JFK either.

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So yeh, Clinton could never hope to match that. He went $200 billion the other way. Wait? A $200 billion surplus under a Democratic president? But I thought he was a "tax and spend Liberal". Like Obama. Who will apparently destroy the economy by raising taxes to what they were under the Clinton administration. The Clinton administration that generated a $200 billion surplus. But don't worry, McCain's a "fiscal conservative". Just like Reagan, Bush Sr and Dubya. What the deficit under George W Bush again? $500 billion? Well, I guess another "fiscal conservative" will turn that around. Right? lol

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So yeh, Clinton could never hope to match that. He went $200 billion the other way. Wait? A $200 billion surplus under a Democratic president? But I thought he was a "tax and spend Liberal". Like Obama. Who will apparently destroy the economy by raising taxes to what they were under the Clinton administration. The Clinton administration that generated a $200 billion surplus. But don't worry, McCain's a "fiscal conservative". Just like Reagan, Bush Sr and Dubya. What the deficit under George W Bush again? $500 billion? Well, I guess another "fiscal conservative" will turn that around. Right? lol

Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution. You are giving Clinton credit for the work of the Republican Congress that went to work to do these things in 1995 under the leadership of Newt Gingrich. Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years. Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.

It was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan -- a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as "pure demagoguery." It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."

It wasPresident Clinton and his wife who tried to engineer a federal takeover of the health care system -- a plan that would have sent the government's finances into the stratosphere. Tom Delay was right: for Clinton to take credit for the balanced budget is like Chicago Cubs pitcher Steve Trachsel taking credit for delivering the pitch to Mark McGuire that he hit out of the park for his 62nd home run.

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Before he became president, Ronald Reagan was:

- A lifeguard who saved dozens of lives
- HS student body president
- A college football player
- Student body president of his college
- A broadcaster, including for the Chicago Cubs
- First Lieutenant in the Army Air Corps
- A successful actor
- A six term union president
- An occasional columnist
- A two term governor of California

As you can see there isn't a lot in common with Obama.

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And the Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 had nothing to do with it? The tax increases that Clinton put in place pretty much set the ground for the Republican congress to ride the wave and take credit for something that was going to happen anyway thanks the the 1993 tax increases. But look, it was a joint effort. The Republican congress obviously had the power of the purse. But even when the Republicans were in charge on congress, taxes were still as high as what Obama is proposing to raise them to again. And that's my point. Conservatives are trying to make everyone scared that Obama's taxes increases will destroy the economy. He wants to raise them to the same level they were when the budget was balance and Clinton reported a $200 billion surplus. Then they make you think being a "fiscal conservative" is a good thing. Reagan was a fiscal conservative. Deficit. Bush Sr was a fiscal conservative. Deficit. George W Bush was a fiscal conservative. Deficit. Clinton was a tax & spend liberal. Surplus. I'm not denying the Republic congress did a lot of work. But to say Clinton didn't have anything to do with it is denial. As I said, the 1993 tax increases. Probably had more to do with it than anything else. The Republican congress rode the wave that the Democratic congress started.

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

Before he became president, Ronald Reagan was:

- A lifeguard who saved dozens of lives
- HS student body president
- A college football player
- Student body president of his college
- A broadcaster, including for the Chicago Cubs
- First Lieutenant in the Army Air Corps
- A successful actor
- A six term union president
- An occasional columnist
- A two term governor of California

As you can see there isn't a lot in common with Obama.

But using the standard of criticism leveled against Obama's experience and accomplishments we often see and hear, one would ask...

If my neighbor served in army 5 years and was a life guard, then became a singer, is he qualified to be Governor? What political/social leadership did Reagan have going into Governorship?

...He served in military...Obama served on streets to organize poor.
...Reagan was lifeguard and football player and student body Pres. Obama went to Ivy League and was Law Review Editor at Harvard...I'm sure Obama played sports too.
...Reagan was actor. Obama taught law and was a civil rights lawyer.
....Occassional columnist?....So was Obama...I write a newspaper piece too before.
....Union president was good experience I see for Reagan. ...So was working in state legislature for Obama....

So essentially looking at when Reagan first became Gov. of CA and when Barack first became Senator of Illinois....they have either similar lack of qualifications or similar adequate qualifications, depending on how you view it.

Reagan ran immediately for President (and failed) after getting Gov. of CA...same with Obama after being Senator. Less than four years in I believe for both, if not less time.

What the original thread was trying to point out was that both have had medioric rises and both share wonderful speaking ability that is able to galvanize crowds. Both have a kind of celebrity status. ....

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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

Before he became president, Ronald Reagan was:

- A lifeguard who saved dozens of lives
- HS student body president
- A college football player
- Student body president of his college
- A broadcaster, including for the Chicago Cubs
- First Lieutenant in the Army Air Corps
- A successful actor
- A six term union president
- An occasional columnist
- A two term governor of California

As you can see there isn't a lot in common with Obama.

But using the standard of criticism leveled against Obama's experience and accomplishments we often see and hear, one would ask...

If my neighbor served in army 5 years and was a life guard, then became a singer, is he qualified to be Governor? What political/social leadership did Reagan have going into Governorship?

...He served in military...Obama served on streets to organize poor.
...Reagan was lifeguard and football player and student body Pres. Obama went to Ivy League and was Law Review Editor at Harvard...I'm sure Obama played sports too.
...Reagan was actor. Obama taught law and was a civil rights lawyer.
....Occassional columnist?....So was Obama...I write a newspaper piece too before.
....Union president was good experience I see for Reagan. ...So was working in state legislature for Obama....

So essentially looking at when Reagan first became Gov. of CA and when Barack first became Senator of Illinois....they have either similar lack of qualifications or similar adequate qualifications, depending on how you view it.

Reagan ran immediately for President (and failed) after getting Gov. of CA...same with Obama after being Senator. Less than four years in I believe for both, if not less time.

What the original thread was trying to point out was that both have had medioric rises and both share wonderful speaking ability that is able to galvanize crowds. Both have a kind of celebrity status. ....

Reagan was the Governor of California for EIGHT years. That is EIGHT years of EXECUTIVE experience. Obama has 0 years of executive experience. Writing laws (I think 3 or 4 of the 129 he wrote actually made it into law ... none were laws that made a huge impact on our country ... and the majority of the 129 proposals he co-authored were either resolutions to honor a person or organization or amendments to and existing proposal source) does not equal executive experience. A governor does not have the option of voting "present" he or she needs to make a final call and Reagan had plenty of experience doing so before entering the White House.

Reagan was very good at off the cuff responses that were not already memorized or being read off a telemonitor.

There is no comparison between the two.

Obama has done some wonderful things ... but he does not compare to Reagan not do I believe he has the ability to make split second decisions in the heat of a crisis. He has always voted present for the tough calls as a legislator ... he will not have that option as an executive.

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You didn't address my question accurately at all. What experience did Reagan have prior to being Gov. of California?

What experience did Reagan have prior to his first attempt at running for Pres. as Gov. of California (when he failed)?

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The rest of your post is off topic ... but much of what we have seen with the poverty levels of the black community have to do with single family homes ... no dads in the homes. Our economy cannot be blamed for men not staying with their families (whether black or white). The two are not related. Your information about the Head Start program is incorrect ... it was not cut during the Reagan years.

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The rest of your post is off topic ... but much of what we have seen with the poverty levels of the black community have to do with single family homes ... no dads in the homes. Our economy cannot be blamed for men not staying with their families (whether black or white). The two are not related. Your information about the Head Start program is incorrect ... it was not cut during the Reagan years.

I'll take a look at the Head Start, but regardless, social programs were cut dramatically. The reason for single parent homes was out-of-wedlock babies...which came from lack of education for blacks and lack of basic necessities for life. Look at the statistics from late 1970's up through 1990. The increase in black poverty, single-parenthood,..and lowered black median income was dramatic..increases in public housing, crime, drugs, and prison incarceration. I have some studies right in front of me from my college course. It is sickening. These were due to policies from Reagan and Bush. Trickle-down economics. The African American communities have hated them both for that period. I don't agree with the hate, but they certainly felt Reagan/Bush contributed to many policies that devastated the black community across America.

The point was, Reagan did not have great judgment.

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Before he became president, Ronald Reagan was:

- A lifeguard who saved dozens of lives
- HS student body president
- A college football player
- Student body president of his college
- A broadcaster, including for the Chicago Cubs
- First Lieutenant in the Army Air Corps
- A successful actor
- A six term union president
- An occasional columnist
- A two term governor of California

As you can see there isn't a lot in common with Obama.

But using the standard of criticism leveled against Obama's experience and accomplishments we often see and hear, one would ask...

If my neighbor served in army 5 years and was a life guard, then became a singer, is he qualified to be Governor? What political/social leadership did Reagan have going into Governorship?

...He served in military...Obama served on streets to organize poor.
...Reagan was lifeguard and football player and student body Pres. Obama went to Ivy League and was Law Review Editor at Harvard...I'm sure Obama played sports too.
...Reagan was actor. Obama taught law and was a civil rights lawyer.
....Occassional columnist?....So was Obama...I write a newspaper piece too before.
....Union president was good experience I see for Reagan. ...So was working in state legislature for Obama....

So essentially looking at when Reagan first became Gov. of CA and when Barack first became Senator of Illinois....they have either similar lack of qualifications or similar adequate qualifications, depending on how you view it.

Reagan ran immediately for President (and failed) after getting Gov. of CA...same with Obama after being Senator. Less than four years in I believe for both, if not less time.

What the original thread was trying to point out was that both have had medioric rises and both share wonderful speaking ability that is able to galvanize crowds. Both have a kind of celebrity status. ....

Reagan was the Governor of California for EIGHT years. That is EIGHT years of EXECUTIVE experience. Obama has 0 years of executive experience. Writing laws (I think 3 or 4 of the 129 he wrote actually made it into law ... none were laws that made a huge impact on our country ... and the majority of the 129 proposals he co-authored were either resolutions to honor a person or organization or amendments to and existing proposal source) does not equal executive experience. A governor does not have the option of voting "present" he or she needs to make a final call and Reagan had plenty of experience doing so before entering the White House.

Reagan was very good at off the cuff responses that were not already memorized or being read off a telemonitor.

There is no comparison between the two.

Obama has done some wonderful things ... but he does not compare to Reagan not do I believe he has the ability to make split second decisions in the heat of a crisis. He has always voted present for the tough calls as a legislator ... he will not have that option as an executive.

You didn't address my question accurately at all. What experience did Reagan have prior to being Gov. of California?

What experience did Reagan have prior to his first attempt at running for Pres. as Gov. of California (when he failed)?

Secondly,

Reagan's policies are greatly criticized and hated for his trickle-down economics, shifting power to large corporations, cutting massive amounts of social programs for the poor (some of the very best programs were completely cut - like Head Start, in favor of greater spending and expansion for the middle class and rich)...Minorites suffered greatly.

During his reign has President, the poverty rate for blacks skyrocketed to 32% (basically 1/3) by 1987! 42% of all Black families were single-parent. AFricna American familiy median income actually dropped during his Presidency by 4 percentage points down to 57% of what whites made (from 61% earlier decade of 70's).

By the end of his and Bush's reign, Blacks were in dire poverty, 50% of all blacks by 1990 were living in poverty. He and Bush left Blacks to die in the ghettos where lack of adequte housing, healthcare, education led to despair and drugs and violence. He and Bush shifted all the power and resources from spending to the top. It was in the name of returning to traditional values - personal responsibility. ...No regard for those in need.

If his decision makig was great, it was one-sided. For the elite and white of the country.

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Clinton can't hope to match Reagan.