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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/6/2008 11:19:38 AM
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huangshan
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The debate about Obama's experience really has to do with his campaign's criticism of Palin's experience - if he were a little wiser, he (or his minions) would have welcomed Palin and her experience instead of criticizing it.
Gosh, when you say that, it sounds like there was never an experience argument against Obama until Palin came along.
The debate about Obama's experience really has to do with that being McCain's major argument against him. Obama camp's pointing out Palin's experience is pointing out McCain's abject hypocrisy.
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/6/2008 11:43:13 AM
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Well he reauthorized the Voting Rights Act to prevent discriminatory barriers to voting.
Just read through the list, he wasn't even one of the 152 cosponsors, according to the library of congress.
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He introduced the Patriot Employer Act to provide a tax credit to companies that increase the number of employed full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US.
Actually it was introduced by Durbin and cosponsored by BO
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He introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income home-buyers.
He sponsored that one
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Then there's also a few that he co-authored with other senators but you dismissed those earlier.
I did not ignore them, you never named them.
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So say if he sat on the Veterans' Affairs committee and helped veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to get veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan health care when they return the the states, would that be an accomplishment?
What has he actually been a leader of? He is a part of alot of things but WHAT HAS HE done?
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/6/2008 11:46:39 AM
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Bob_George
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Well he reauthorized the Voting Rights Act to prevent discriminatory barriers to voting.
Just read through the list, he wasn't even one of the 152 cosponsors, according to the library of congress.
Perhaps I was wrong because I just searched Google and couldn't find any decent matches for Obama+"Voting Rights Act Reauthorization". So if I'm wrong, I apologise. I didn't actually research this one before I presented it to you. I tought of it "off the top of my head" like you asked. I remembered hearing it somewhere. The Obama helped reauthorise this one. But perhaps I'm wrong. If so, my apologies.
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He introduced the Patriot Employer Act to provide a tax credit to companies that increase the number of employed full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US.
Actually it was introduced by Durbin and cosponsored by BO.
Actually the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 was introduced by Obama with Durbin and Brown.
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What has he actually been a leader of?
The European Affairs committee.
A couple more of Obama's legislative accomplishments....
The Lugar–Obama bill, which expanded the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction act.
The Obama-Coburn Transparency Act of 2006.
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/6/2008 11:51:28 AM
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_jjp_
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What has he actually been a leader of?
The European Affairs committee.
And the accomplishments of this extremely important body? To what end did he use his leadership of this body?
Oh wait i found this tidbit, classic .
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The subcommittee is chaired by Democrat Barack Obama of Illinois, and the Ranking Minority member is Republican Jim DeMint of South Carolina. The subcommittee has not met since the appointment of Senator Obama as chairman, because Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the full Foreign Relations committee, has been holding those hearings himself.[1]
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/6/2008 6:07:30 PM
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solomonsprayer
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Plus, why do people not only disrespect Obama's and other's community organizing work, but why do Obama critics use that as his only experience? ..Obama worked as a CO, before going to law school for three years, while turning down high-paying jobs elsewhere. He was clearly qualified. Qualifed for more better jobs.
He chose public service instead. Now his critics say he was only a community organizer? ...He did other stuff too. And he was qualified for much more as well.
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/6/2008 6:28:35 PM
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but why do Obama critics use that as his only experience?
Because its a campaign. You aren't trying to make your opponent look good. I believe Obama has accomplished more than his oponents give him credit for. And I think that McCain has accomplished more than his opponents give him credit for. It's the way of politics.
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/6/2008 8:02:23 PM
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but why do Obama critics use that as his only experience?
Because its a campaign. You aren't trying to make your opponent look good. I believe Obama has accomplished more than his oponents give him credit for. And I think that McCain has accomplished more than his opponents give him credit for. It's the way of politics.
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/6/2008 9:28:32 PM
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letusreason
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The debate about Obama's experience really has to do with that being McCain's major argument against him. Obama camp's pointing out Palin's experience is pointing out McCain's abject hypocrisy.
Again with the lack of understanding between a no executive experience Presidential candidate and a minimum experience Vice Presidential Candidate.
McCain can grill BO all he want's because he is the front end of the ticket. For hypocrisy to be employed it has to be apples to apples.
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/7/2008 12:46:37 PM
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huangshan
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The debate about Obama's experience really has to do with that being McCain's major argument against him. Obama camp's pointing out Palin's experience is pointing out McCain's abject hypocrisy.
Again with the lack of understanding between a no executive experience Presidential candidate and a minimum experience Vice Presidential Candidate.
McCain can grill BO all he want's because he is the front end of the ticket. For hypocrisy to be employed it has to be apples to apples.
Sarah Palin could very well be president in four and a half months. It is absolutely reasonable to consider the standards that one applies to vice presidential candidates. If McCain thinks she's ready to be president, I don't see how any doubt about Obama's experience on his part could be justified.
And anyways, what are we to draw about McCain's judgment if he picks a minimum-experience VP?
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/7/2008 12:53:44 PM
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I think it's great that he worked as a CO, but if I were running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I would hope more impressive credits would crowd it out of my resume....
You mean like Obama having taught constitutional law around the same time at the University of Chicago?
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RE: In Defense of Community Organizing - 9/7/2008 12:58:28 PM
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todd_t
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Actually, Obama mostly did political agitating - getting people together to sign petitions, attend city council meetings, strong arm local politicians into doing what they wanted them to.
If "political agitating" prompts people to take a more active role in their communities, and get after local governments to initiate local improvements, I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
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