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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 9:36:36 AM
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letusreason
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What if McCain had picked Condeleza Rice? Would she have her on? Interesting to ponder.
No most liberal blacks do not like Connie... very few speak highly of her.
I adore her, she is a God-fearing individual.
~Dolli
She's a class act, unfortunately for conservatives, she is so smart she knows running for President is a dumb thing to do lol.
I hope she continues to serve the country in other ways.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 12:46:23 PM
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I being black know for a fact, that there are many in my sphere of influence do not think as you stated above. You see there are many people who vote based upon moral values.
That is another flaw I see in our society. We choose to see skin tones. I refuse to see any tone. I choose to make decisions based upon ones belief system their theology, ideology and lifestyle. Skin tones are just shells. I choose to see pass the shell of the person, observes their behavior to see whether or not their actions line up with their speech. Voting records and action... that is how I and most of my peers, white, black, purple, red or green... choose our candidates.
~Dolli
Dolli, if I may ask respectfully, if you believe what you wrote above, why do you use so much reference to skin tone when posting? For example you stated in another post in reference to Connie Rice that "most black liberals don't like her". I wouldn't say "most white liberals wouldn't vote for McCain" ,so why should blacks be differentiated if skin tones are not to be seen?
You stated that "Voting records and action...that is how I and most of my peers, white, black, purple, red or green...choose our candidates." I disagree. The reality is that there are people out there that will only vote for Obama solely on the basis that he's black just as there are people who will only for for McCain because Palin is a woman.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 1:21:30 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Funny thing about Rice - just recently she was complaning that there aren't enough blacks in the State Department.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 1:29:52 PM
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letusreason
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Have a link? Would love to see the story it in context.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 1:48:45 PM
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JerrynDolli
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I being black know for a fact, that there are many in my sphere of influence do not think as you stated above. You see there are many people who vote based upon moral values.
That is another flaw I see in our society. We choose to see skin tones. I refuse to see any tone. I choose to make decisions based upon ones belief system their theology, ideology and lifestyle. Skin tones are just shells. I choose to see pass the shell of the person, observes their behavior to see whether or not their actions line up with their speech. Voting records and action... that is how I and most of my peers, white, black, purple, red or green... choose our candidates.
~Dolli
Dolli, if I may ask respectfully, if you believe what you wrote above, why do you use so much reference to skin tone when posting? For example you stated in another post in reference to Connie Rice that "most black liberals don't like her". I wouldn't say "most white liberals wouldn't vote for McCain" ,so why should blacks be differentiated if skin tones are not to be seen?
You stated that "Voting records and action...that is how I and most of my peers, white, black, purple, red or green...choose our candidates." I disagree. The reality is that there are people out there that will only vote for Obama solely on the basis that he's black just as there are people who will only for for McCain because Palin is a woman.
This true. Because in reality, people do see color. I'm reminded by whites and blacks of this. I'm reminded by those who do vote based on skin tones... that I do have to remember I'm black. And I know whites who preface that how whites will not vote for him because he is black.
So I get it on both side and it is hard to escape such thought patterns.
So you're right it is a reality... but, as much as I can. I choose to bring myself to the centered of what is first in my life and my friends who do have various skin tones who are Christians do the same and remember to select our candidates based on Christ-like mindset.
We are finite and much as we like the reality is some things are done in faith... trusting the voice of God's Truth to lead you in the way one ought to go.
So you're are right in that case. In fact, there are a lot of people who do not share the same skin tone as Obama... meaning white who are voting for him. I know of Christians who I truly like are going to. Just as many other groups who are not Christian based.
I'm just not going to vote for him. I'll bring for him as I do all people. But, I'm not voting for him.
That's it and that settles it. I also don't vote for a person based on gender.
I like Palin because she has the values I believe in.... if she was a man I would vote for, just as if she were any other skin tone that what she is.
~Dolli
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 3:28:14 PM
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Have a link? Would love to see the story it in context.
Here's the "Not enough blacks at State" story, including several direct quotes of Rice on the subject:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/08/rice.blacks.state/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
And for some further background on Rice and her feelings about affirmative action:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Condoleezza_Rice_Civil_Rights.htm
Who cares again... we just want people who are qualified. I hope I was hired based upon my qualification and not skin tone or gender.
Question asked, question answered - and if you don't want to talk about the issue raised, at least have the courtesy not to belittle/disparage/dismiss others who DO want to talk about it.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 3:30:50 PM
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I choose to bring myself to the centered of what is first in my life and my friends who do have various skin tones who are Christians do the same and remember to select our candidates based on Christ-like mindset.
We are finite and much as we like the reality is some things are done in faith... trusting the voice of God's Truth to lead you in the way one ought to go.
I'm just not going to vote for him. That's it and that settles it. I also don't vote for a person based on gender.
I like Palin because she has the values I believe in.... if she was a man I would vote for, just as if she were any other skin tone that what she is.
~Dolli
Then we, you and I, are more alike than we are different! *hugz* 
btw, I'm not white, I'm native american. 
Neither is my husband. He is a Navajo Native American, Irish, and Russian. My son in law is also American Russian.
My husband and children are fired-up, Jesus Loving Christians. And my son in law, who we love dearly is a muslim, with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Muslim is an ideology not skin tone. I try to tell many people that since I travel and have to keep an eye open for the security of the places I go and the protection of others.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 3:32:27 PM
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 3:56:32 PM
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Hmmm. I see a bunch of posters have jumped on the bandwagon that they are voting for Palin because she's a conservative Christian. Professing Christianity or not, no one knows for sure who is actually a Christian. And if you follow the logic that she is one because she said so and she goes to church, well, then Obama is a Christian also. Regardless of whether or not you approved of their church leader. There are a number of church leaders out there who have gone off on the deep end and dare we blame the thousands sitting under their care. But here's what baffles me. Palin has recently been caught in not one lie, but more than a few. These lies have been verified by just about every media outlet including those in Alaska. Yet, this gives none of you pause. This doesn't cause any of your to stop and consider who Palin really is. You're so excited that she's so Christian conservative that any possible negative aspect of her or anything she's involved in is impossible. Jim Jones anyone? Is it because she's on YOUR team that you must protect her at all costs? Is it like when in football your team argues against a 15 yard penalty your team receives and argues for it when it's on the other team? If we go to the replay in slow motion will you then see that your team actually deserved the penalty? As a Christian I assumed that we in the same faith all stood for truth even when those in our own fold stood for a lie. We've now become a bunch of lemmings towing the line of whatever popular conservative-right spokesperson puts out for us. Should we not be even more critical of our own as to not blemish the character of the very faith we would die for?
Shouldn't it raise alarms in your head that there is a growing majority of respectable people seeing the negativity in your candidates? Or is it the "us against them" mentality? We as Christians have become lemmings in this country. Willing to folllow everything but truth and reason. We're spoon-fed what other people tell us to think and we die for it. God gave us all a brain and we've leased it to the care of others. Sometimes I believe the 2008 republican campaign is the biggest experiment in groupthink ever. This is exemplified with the whole lipstick issue. It's amazing that you read into it what others want you to. McCain and Palin don't hold copyrights on the words "lipstick" and "old." And where McCain himself used the term toward a female candidate, no one was "up in arms." Even when he failed to correct someone in the audience when they called Hillary a female dog. He just laughed. Yet, somehow, Obama owes McCain and Palin an apology for using a term that is not gender biased at all whatsoever. I'm sure even if he used the term, "wax on a rusty car", you'd find fault with that as well. If it was gender-biased, those who used it in the past would've been called on it and been apologizing ever since. So, Obama uses it, and he's all of a sudden sexist? Come on people. Yank your brains out of this sick groupthink experiment. They are telling you what you want to think. Fish wrapped in paper and left to rot does actually stink. It's a proven fact. Now you think it's a term that offends senior citizens? So, any mention now of spoiled or rotten food is a dig at McCain? Can you see where this logic will lead you?
Yet, Obama can't play the "race card" if he responds to calls that he's "uppity", a term used in the south that referred to blacks who were confident in themselves more than the white majority thought they should be. Oh, but if Obama asked them to apologize, we'd think he was too soft or whiny right? This country is headed for destruction, but all we care about is pro-life, the definition of marriage, and fighting anyone we feel is not out for our best interest. Never mind the fact that Rome, once the most poweful nation in the world did fall. I'm a Christian through and through, but I refuse to tow someone else's line just for the sake of towing it and I dare someone to call me lesser of a Christian for it.
I'll leave you with this. Nothing has impacted me more than what happened in Rwanda and the genocide that occurred there. After weeks of hate and lies being spewed out on the radio in that country, the collective people listening to those lies repeated over and over again were consumed and then possessed in such a way that they began killing the other tribe. Even to the point of sacrificing babies by dashing them against rocks.
I can see the same thing happening here, to a lesser degree obviously. Lies and deceit being spewed about those different from us being continually pounded into our heads that we are so blind and can't recognize a lie from truth. Then after being consumed and possessed of everything negative about those other people, we act by voting regardless if the truth is out there. After all of the lies have been uncovered about Palin and the controversy she is CURRENTLY involved in with firing of the officer, people, and dare I say it, cling to her Christianity as requirement enough to get their vote. All I can say is WOW! At least reserve your decision until everything is cleared up. You know, it's funny. People still claim they don't know Obama. He's been campaigning for over a year. Palin comes on the scene and I tell you I was in Alaska for three weeks last year and couldn't tell you who she was, and all of a sudden, she's the next best thing since sliced bread. Hmmmmm. Puase people! Pause!
I do have on other theory, but if I post it, I'll be flamed and everyone will deny it's true. :-)
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 4:39:08 PM
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Palin has recently been caught in not one lie, but more than a few. These lies have been verified by just about every media outlet including those in Alaska.
and, what "lies" might those be?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 6:01:21 PM
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Professing Christianity or not, no one knows for sure who is actually a Christian.
Point taken...
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Shouldn't it raise alarms in your head that there is a growing majority of respectable people seeing the negativity in your candidates?
Like Matt Damon?
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Or is it the "us against them" mentality? We as Christians have become lemmings in this country.
How do you know there are Christians in this country? Simply because they say so and attend church?
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I'm a Christian through and through, but I refuse to tow someone else's line just for the sake of towing it and I dare someone to call me lesser of a Christian for it.
Strange... Since you said prior in your poist...
Professing Christianity or not, no one knows for sure who is actually a Christian
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I'll leave you with this. Nothing has impacted me more than what happened in Rwanda and the genocide that occurred there. After weeks of hate and lies being spewed out on the radio in that country, the collective people listening to those lies repeated over and over again were consumed and then possessed in such a way that they began killing the other tribe. quote:
Even to the point of sacrificing babies by dashing them against rocks.
It would seem at least one plank of the Democratic Party was taken to heart...
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I can see the same thing happening here, to a lesser degree obviously.
It already does, 3500 unborn children are put to death daily in the United States...
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/11/2008 6:23:02 PM
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Who cares again... we just want people who are qualified. I hope I was hired based upon my qualification and not skin tone or gender.
AMEN!!!
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/14/2008 10:28:24 PM
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Really?
How could we?
Did you see anything Christlike exhibited last night?
I did'nt.
(and before the TRACY fans jump on, yes, I know my own behavior has not been up to par either lately)
But really
This is what we as Christians want?!
how can you vote for obama?
Media avert eyes as Obama caught in infanticide deception
Brian Fitzpatrick - Guest Columnist - 8/20/2008 11:20:00 AM
Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's campaign has admitted that he has misled the public since 2004 on a hot-button social issue, but Big Media has virtually ignored the story.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/14/2008 10:31:53 PM
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Observer: Pro-life Democrats won't be silenced
Allie Martin - OneNewsNow - 8/27/2008 10:10:00 AM
A Christian activist believes the Democratic Party will find it difficult to silence those who are pro-life from speaking out against abortion.
Pastor Rob Schenck is president of the National Clergy Council. On Sunday he attended the first official event of this week's Democratic National Convention in Denver, an interfaith gathering. It was the first time in DNC history that such a meeting kicked off the convention.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/14/2008 10:33:55 PM
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Obamacide
Matt Barber - Guest Columnist - 8/27/2008 7:15:00 AM
How does one properly describe another who would – for purely selfish political reasons and with deliberation – intentionally refuse a thirsty child water or a hungry child food?
More specifically, what does one call a lawmaker who would condemn to death the child survivor of a botched abortion by permitting doctors to refuse that child, once born alive, potentially life-saving medical treatment and nutrition?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/15/2008 8:40:07 AM
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