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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:29:45 AM
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rcamejo01
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Really?
How could we?
Did you see anything Christlike exhibited last night?
I did'nt.
(and before the TRACY fans jump on, yes, I know my own behavior has not been up to par either lately)
But really
This is what we as Christians want?!
Im really dissapointed in your comments lately, tracydolls.
If you listened to McCains speech tonight you will see that he mentioned God 5 times and blessed twice. I counted just for you...lol
Anyone who thinks this team isnt on the side of God needs their head examined. Either that or they have been brainwashed by Obama.
Either way its quite a scary thought.
Surely you jest? He mentions God and Blessed, so he's on "God's Side?" LOL, if anyone is on God's side it has to be the person who WROTE the speech! LOL, but we're the brainwashed ones. Look, I can't speak for Tracy, I myself could care less whether Obama or mcCain are Christians, Jehova's Witness, or Morman, Last I checked November 4th wasn't a church Leaders election night! These are politicians, they're allllllll dirt bags! Some are dirtier than others. Please don't insult our intellience by trying to imply that half the candidates have to be on God's side! What a joke.
You know I get it, some of my brothers and sisters on here think it would be Heaven on Earth to have a "Christian Nation", but even if Roe Vs. Wade were to be overturned, Prayer and scripture reading brought back in schools, whose brand of Christianity would it be? We're guaranteed the freedom of religion to worship as we choose, isn't that why our country was founded? The king in England had lost it?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:30:58 AM
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Well said. I do respect McCain, but 8 years of the same is too much - and to answer a question from another Republican - no, we are not better off than we were 8 years ago.
So you were glad when Clinton was done and Bush came into office?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:31:52 AM
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Sometimes the inanity of these posts is astounding.
Love you too Jack!
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:32:54 AM
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Really?
How could we?
Did you see anything Christlike exhibited last night?
I did'nt.
(and before the TRACY fans jump on, yes, I know my own behavior has not been up to par either lately)
But really
This is what we as Christians want?!
Im really dissapointed in your comments lately, tracydolls.
If you listened to McCains speech tonight you will see that he mentioned God 5 times and blessed twice. I counted just for you...lol
Anyone who thinks this team isnt on the side of God needs their head examined. Either that or they have been brainwashed by Obama.
Either way its quite a scary thought.
Surely you jest? He mentions God and Blessed, so he's on "God's Side?" LOL, if anyone is on God's side it has to be the person who WROTE the speech! LOL, but we're the brainwashed ones. Look, I can't speak for Tracy, I myself could care less whether Obama or mcCain are Christians, Jehova's Witness, or Morman, Last I checked November 4th wasn't a church Leaders election night! These are politicians, they're allllllll dirt bags! Some are dirtier than others. Please don't insult our intellience by trying to imply that half the candidates have to be on God's side! What a joke.
You know I get it, some of my brothers and sisters on here think it would be Heaven on Earth to have a "Christian Nation", but even if Roe Vs. Wade were to be overturned, Prayer and scripture reading brought back in schools, whose brand of Christianity would it be? We're guaranteed the freedom of religion to worship as we choose, isn't that why our country was founded? The king in England had lost it?
Tracydolls mentioned last night on the boards after Palins speech that she wasnt a Christian because she didnt mention God in the speech. Thats why i counted tonight how many times McCain mentioned Him. lol
Trust me - i think what she said is ridiculous as well. But i did it to proove it to her. You apparently didnt read the conversation.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:35:15 AM
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You apparently didnt read the conversation.
I Apologize for that. No I did not see that conv. I was tripping out as I read your response, thanks for clearing that up.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:36:47 AM
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Love you too Jack!
That doesn't change the nature of your posts.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:37:48 AM
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Thessa
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You apparently didnt read the conversation.
I Apologize for that. No I did not see that conv. I was tripping out as I read your response, thanks for clearing that up.
Raphael
No thats totally fine!
Trust me i dont agree with what she said either - which was why i was being sarcastic.
I know that McCain/Palin loves God - they dont have to mention it in any speech for me to know that about them.
But some people think they do - which is why tracydolls made this thread to begin with.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:45:20 AM
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That doesn't change the nature of your posts.
True! But isn't that great Jack, that even though you might think I'm an idiot for backing those " Immoral, baby killing, gay suporting, ect, ect. whinny, tree hugging, non- drilling, pot smoking Liberals.....you still have to share the KINGDOM of HEAVEN with me, LOL! Nothing personal Brother, I don't care if your a conservative, If your a born again believer thats good enough for me, I'll even let you chill on my side of the golden streets, LOL!
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:51:37 AM
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Well said. I do respect McCain, but 8 years of the same is too much - and to answer a question from another Republican - no, we are not better off than we were 8 years ago.
So you were glad when Clinton was done and Bush came into office?
We're not better off than we were 4 years ago is what I meant, sorry ;) I think that's easy to see...unless of course, you own 7 houses...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 12:59:36 AM
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We're not better off than we were 4 years ago is what I meant, sorry ;) I think that's easy to see...unless of course, you own 7 houses...
you mean you don't own 7 houses? Wow, I thought with this Booming economy we all did!
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 1:01:37 AM
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We're not better off than we were 4 years ago is what I meant, sorry ;) I think that's easy to see...unless of course, you own 7 houses...
you mean you don't own 7 houses? Wow, I thought with this Booming economy we all did!
Well, you know, I'm in the middle class - we only pull in 2 million a year, so we're not quite to the 7 houses YET, I tell you.
PS Oh wait - I guess I missed the mark - $ 3 million is the Republican mark of the middle class...well, shucks! I'll just have to put my mortgage to buy one stock in oil, since, in this plummeting economy, that's the only thing growing.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 1:04:53 AM
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Well, you know, I'm in the middle class - we only pull in 2 million a year, so we're not quite to the 7 houses YET, I tell you.
LOL!!!!!! Hurry up and catch up then! LOL
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 1:08:33 AM
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Well, you know, I'm in the middle class - we only pull in 2 million a year, so we're not quite to the 7 houses YET, I tell you.
LOL!!!!!! Hurry up and catch up then! LOL
Maybe I'll mortgage the house for some Texas tea ;)
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 1:53:02 AM
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We're not better off than we were 4 years ago is what I meant, sorry ;) I think that's easy to see...unless of course, you own 7 houses...
Or one million+ dollar house a convicted criminal helped you purchase...
McCain isn't Bush, and Obama may be different, but different doesn't neccesarily mean good.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 2:00:51 AM
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The last thing I need is lessons on charity from a millionaire who's brother lives in a shack made of garbage.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 2:35:05 AM
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Hey Tracy, did you hear McCain's speech tonight? It was Very Promising, He said: BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, hanoi hilton, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, scars, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, jobs, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
So, like where exactly was Christ Present? Oh yeah, was that a Greek Orthodox Priest that gave the Invocation? That was it! I guess Christ left with the Priest.
Naw, I half listened.
I'm glad it is over! They can get out of town. It looks like a military police state in ST. Paul.
It's now become so weird to me.
The religious right don't want the religion debate anymore.
Its now no longer cool to talk about our faith.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 2:35:57 AM
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I don't want to turn this into an abortion debate, but that's one issue that I go back to. Both McCain and Palin are pro life. Both Obama and Biden are pro choice, along with most of the Dem party. Obama being so far left on the issue, that he voted against saving the lives of babies that lived through botched abortions. I think that stand means quite a bit.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 7:28:10 AM
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We're not better off than we were 4 years ago is what I meant, sorry ;) I think that's easy to see...unless of course, you own 7 houses...
Or one million+ dollar house a convicted criminal helped you purchase...
McCain isn't Bush, and Obama may be different, but different doesn't neccesarily mean good.
Factcheck:
"Million-Dollar Mansion
As for that claim about Rezko helping Obama buy his house, well, we've dealt with that one before. The gist of the story: In 2005, Barack and Michelle Obama found a house that they wanted to purchase. The property had been divided into two parcels, one containing a house and the other undeveloped land. The owner had listed the properties separately. After considerable haggling, the seller accepted the Obamas' third bid of $1.65 million for the parcel containing the house. Tony Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining lot for $625,000.
When the Obamas wanted to increase the size of their yard, they approached the Rezkos about purchasing a strip of the adjacent parcel. Obama told the Sun-Times that a 10-foot strip of the 60-foot lot appraised for $40,000. The Obamas nevertheless paid Rita $104,500 (or 1/6 of the total purchase price of her lot) for the strip. In 2007, Rita sold the remaining lot for $575,000 (or roughly a $54,500 profit on the overall property).
McCain's ad, however, is worded in a way that could leave a false impression. It says Rezko "helped him buy his million-dollar mansion" by "purchasing part of the property he couldn't afford." That's true, but only because the seller wanted to sell the two parcels as a unit and the Obamas couldn't afford both. Rezko did not make a gift of any property to the Obamas. Furthermore, the fact that his wife sold her lot for more than she paid for it contradicts any suggestion that the Rezkos overpaid for their part of the deal as a way of getting the seller to lower the price to the Obamas for their part."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html
"Obama has a relationship with Rezko that dates back many years, but there’s no indication Obama did anything improper. Shortly after finishing law school, Obama, who had turned down a job offer from the developer, went to work at a law firm where he represented some community groups that partnered with Rezko to apply for housing rehabilitation loans. As a state legislator, he wrote letters to city and state officials in support of Rezko’s efforts to build apartments for the elderly with government money; the senator asserts that this was a project the community wanted. Obama got together with Rezko a couple of times a year, he has said. "
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_obama_have_a_real_estate_problem.html
And, I guess I was wrong about the number of houses McCain has - he actually has 8. You don't sound very impressed by 7 even, Jack !  You must have, then 9, 10, give or take a few ?!  I mean, what's a house - it's like pocket change, right?!
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 7:47:30 AM
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i am sorry to ask, but what is so important about the fact that the McCain's own so many houses??? don't all the rich own multiple properties??? clinton's included??? (trying to be fair in the questioning)...
I am choosing to support McCain and Palin because their lives show the fruit of the Gospel. They don't necessarily have to talk about it. In a private forum, it might be more plausible, especially if they were willing (which i bet they would be happy to)...
but St. Francis of Assisi proposed for us to declare the Gospel to the world and use words if necessary.
i can see the history of McCain and Palin in this matter of their fruit. and believe me, this is objective: there is not enough history to declare Barack Obama as a christian (saying that there isn't much fruit of it since the time he has been in office, going up to his time in the state senate)
remember, faith without works is dead.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 8:15:21 AM
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Really?
How could we?
Did you see anything Christlike exhibited last night?
I did'nt.
(and before the TRACY fans jump on, yes, I know my own behavior has not been up to par either lately)
But really
This is what we as Christians want?!
I take it you are talking about Sarah's night. Not when McCain spoke? Based on "when" this thread was started.
Yes I saw Christ so very loud and clear.
When Sarah's daughter licked her hand to smooth down her baby brother's hair. This little girls was showing the entire world what she had learned at home. The love for a child that others would have aborted and considered of "little worth" to society. Or a "burden" that needed to have been aborted.
That little girls spoke volumes to most of us watching about here homelife and how "Christ" is exhibited there. How they walk "daily" with Christ"
I also saw it in their teenage daughter and her boyfriend being there. This family is showing the world how to treat a teenager who find themselves pregnant. Christ would have us to love them and forgive them.
This family is also setting an example to the world that we are not to be self centered to the point that we "hide" our imperfections rather we admit them and do whatever we can to help our community and nation as a whole move forward.
This couple is teaching their family that it's not godly to be so very self centered that you hide in a hole. Rather you get out there "warts and all" and do what you can to help make this world a better place for "others".
What stands out most to me in Sarah's speech that reflect the Holy Spirit living within her is the way she "introduced and described" her baby. Did you catch that? Did you hear her describe him as Christ probably would have? She was dead on.
copy of that part of her speech:
And in April, my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no family ever seems typical.
That's how it is with us.
Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same challenges and the same joys.
Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge.
And children with special needs inspire a special love.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 8:49:30 AM
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It's now become so weird to me.
I sort of have been wondering what would be weird to you.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 8:56:04 AM
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Because if she did then you and a lot of others would accuse her of trading on her faith for votes. It's really amusing that she gets hammered for not talking about her faith from the crowd that wants separation of church and state!!!
I agree Rhippie. I am involved in my local political stuff. Some people "use" God to accomplish their own will. Others allow God to use them for "His Will".
I have discovered that it's often those who are not extremely vocal about their religious faith who hold to strong faith. They are trying their "best" not to use God for political gain.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:03:16 AM
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For what it is worth, a guest on either Dennis Prager or Rush Limbaugh today (sorry, I forgot which one I was listening to) was present after Palin's election to governor. He said that she thanked everyone for their prayers, and that she could not function without them.
I am not so worried about a leader's faith. What I am concerned about is their integrity and their deeds that flow out of whatever value system they have. That is why I had no problems with Romney's Mormonism. It is obviously wrong, but the values that he would have brought to the Presidency would have been almost identical to a normal Christian (family, life, small government, honesty, etc).
Palin is going to be a fine VP.
So your position is, then, that a person can be decent and honorable, even admirable, without being born again?
Doesn't that put you into conflict with a large number of the fundamentalist posters on this Board, and indeed with most of the Religious Right in America?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:07:19 AM
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For what it is worth, a guest on either Dennis Prager or Rush Limbaugh today (sorry, I forgot which one I was listening to) was present after Palin's election to governor. He said that she thanked everyone for their prayers, and that she could not function without them.
I am not so worried about a leader's faith. What I am concerned about is their integrity and their deeds that flow out of whatever value system they have. That is why I had no problems with Romney's Mormonism. It is obviously wrong, but the values that he would have brought to the Presidency would have been almost identical to a normal Christian (family, life, small government, honesty, etc).
Palin is going to be a fine VP.
So your position is, then, that a person can be decent and honorable, even admirable, without being born again?
Doesn't that put you into conflict with a large number of the fundamentalist posters on this Board, and indeed with most of the Religious Right in America?
i think he is stemming this from a morality standpoint...the mormon morality closely mimics typical judeo-christian morality.
my parents said that if they weren't Christians, they would probably be mormons...
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