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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 9:22:08 AM
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huskarine
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The short and sweet (or sour) of it is that people (on the average) treat their preferential candidates much more kindly than the opposition. Much of the time that can turn into bashing the opposition regardless of truth. Alas, for the average citizen, truth is in the eye of the beholder. How does this relate to these forums? Well, the posts come from people. We all have a certain ideology that needs to be at least partially satisfied in a political race. If a candidate matches nothing within that ideology, we become very offended by their lack of "morality" usually.
lack of "morality" says it all...we will never be happy on this earth. everything outside of God is destined for death. it will get worse before Christ returns...
now to be on subject: fair is a loaded word. something that i think we are too far away from inscribing. for the most part, it is good to be informed on a candidate. so, we need to look at the issues and point out the lies. if you are offended because someone said something negative about your candidate, then it will be unfair in your opinion. it's a catch-22. we support someone, and don't want the other to win. we will throw the dirty playbook naturally.
the only fair thread i ever saw on this issue was the "criticize your candidate" , at least that kept the trash inside the walls.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 9:55:41 AM
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In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
I think this is a non-issue in light of his associations with terrorist Bill Ayers. So I wish there was more discussion of this rather than his professed Christianity.
Like one said on talk radio yesterday, the media, in 19 months has only asked him one question on this subject! Has anyone on here discussed it in the OB threads? Sorry I don't read those.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 10:15:37 AM
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I think the issues we should address are those that directly impact their abilities as President and those issues which the candidates themselves make an issue.
I think there has been plenty of unfairness on both sides, and any hopes that this election would be about issues have all but faded. I anticipate each side will blame the other for this, but the fact is whether they initiated it or responded in kind, both sides are hip deep in it.
And I really couldn't agree with you more-when any contest devolves to the point that American "politics" has today, it's highly unlikely that anything of value will ensue.
At this point, it looks to me like the election will be decided by whomever can stay ahead of the latest gossip talking point against them.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 10:27:04 AM
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Nothing is fair or all is fair.
This election is doing just what I thought it would do.
Bring out the ugly(Myself included) in everyone.
There are so many issues now.
Race, gender, etc.
I personally think Bo was not given some fair treatment and neither will Sarah Palin be given it.
I'm at the point I just wish for it to be OVER.
Whoever wins.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 10:36:19 AM
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In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
I think this is a non-issue in light of his associations with terrorist Bill Ayers. So I wish there was more discussion of this rather than his professed Christianity.
Like one said on talk radio yesterday, the media, in 19 months has only asked him one question on this subject! Has anyone on here discussed it in the OB threads? Sorry I don't read those.
Why be surprised that no one is concerned about a non-issue?
Obama's 'association' - such as it is - amounts to the two of them both serving on the Board of the Woods Foundation and both being on the faculty of the U of Chicago. it might be noted that
(1) this *association* is as tenuous as the rest of the bash-Obama swiftboating,
(2) that Ayers was never convicted of a felony, which in America still counts for something, and
(3) that the *association* - again, such as it was - occured years after Ayers' radical days.
Trying to paint Obama with the Ayers brush might work, except that there is no paint in that bucket.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 3:17:44 PM
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In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
I think this is a non-issue in light of his associations with terrorist Bill Ayers. So I wish there was more discussion of this rather than his professed Christianity.
Like one said on talk radio yesterday, the media, in 19 months has only asked him one question on this subject! Has anyone on here discussed it in the OB threads? Sorry I don't read those.
Why be surprised that no one is concerned about a non-issue?
Obama's 'association' - such as it is - amounts to the two of them both serving on the Board of the Woods Foundation and both being on the faculty of the U of Chicago. it might be noted that
(1) this *association* is as tenuous as the rest of the bash-Obama swiftboating,
(2) that Ayers was never convicted of a felony, which in America still counts for something, and
(3) that the *association* - again, such as it was - occured years after Ayers' radical days.
Trying to paint Obama with the Ayers brush might work, except that there is no paint in that bucket.
You left out a few
(4) Sen. Obama defends his friend Ayers as "respectable" and "mainstream."
(5) Sen. Obama's political career was even launched at an event hosted by Ayers in his own home.
(6) your (3) is not true in the first part or the second
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/american-issue-project-news/ayers-stance-on-america.html
Obama stained himself with Ayers paint as a result of his poor character traits and choices.
This character trait still exists as he said he will meet with radical leaders of other countries to bargain with them. Our country doesn't need this.
Its a travesty he is a presidential candidate. And it's evident the media wants him to succeed.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 3:49:31 PM
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I believe that like many people he would class himself a 'Christian'. But, given the fact that the church in which he became a Christian is primarily a liberation theology congregation, his claims have to be judged not on words; but, on deeds.
Again, one can call themselves anything they want. But, the true measure of a Christian is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which leads a person to live lives in conformity with the Word of God. Unfortunately, we do not see that in Obama with regards to life nor lifestyle.
I also believe that it is possible for key leaders of Islam, through Wright's close ties with The Nation of Islam, may understand, in a way that we do not, the experdiency of his making claim to a deep Christian faith.
Take a look at what Louis Farrakhan said about this 'Christian'! Doesn't this puzzle you, too?
Here's more if one is inclined to want to know as much as possible about this unusal paradox.
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Questions regarding the sincerity of the personal beliefs of a man that would be president and who claims to be a 'born again Christian' are not only right to bring up in a forum like this. They are imperitive to bring up given the world-wide movement that is threatening all humanity.
For one to be a true Christian, they must have the Holy Spirit of God indwelling and sealing them. This means that they are intrinsically bound with the mind of Christ which is in complete agreement with the Word of God. When a person demonstrates that in HUGE areas they are not in agreement with the clear teachings of Scripture, then it IS fair to question the reality of their relationship with God.
I know that we materialistic Americans are focused on the economy and gas prices. And, I also know that these are distractions to the real threat that we and our children face. And, that is the growing messianic vision of Islam to conquer the globe in order to pave the way for their messiah. Shariah is the great threat that we face in localities, states and nationally. The British have already caved and we are not far behind. But, most Americans simply have no clue what Shariah means or the impact it will have on destroying our Constitutional law.
I have said it before in these forums and I will say it again. What puzzles me most about Obama's Christianity is that it has not brought him condemnation from the Islamic Community. That is such an anomally that it stands out in a glaring way. For, those who had any involvement in Islam, whatsoever, and then turn to another religion... particularly Christianity... are generally targeted by Islam as apostates and many are targeted for death. Why then is Obama, the apostate, lauded by Muslim leaders? I don't know. But, it's more than a little bit puzzling.
Does this mean that Obama draws some sharper scrutiny from me regarding his declaration of his belief in Christ? Yes. This isn't simply a Methodist vs. Baptist question. It's deeper and more dangerous than that. We, as Christians, cannot afford to be decieved or we could be swallowed up by that whom we have supported.
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There have been a few posts about the McCain \ Palin ticket, that, IMHO, are not even issues that I consider when I vote - those being the current one about Palin's daughter (definitely a non-issue for me) and, the only other one I can recall, was the thread about McCain's previous marriage (also, a non-issue for me).
In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian. The McCain camp has not even questioned Obama's christianity - yet there are quite a few here on these threads that do attack his Christianity, saying that he is otherwise - from calling him wicked to saying he was part of a cult, to saying that he is Hindu...the list goes on.
I think that the courtesy that some ask for has not been extended to Obama in the deeply personal matter of his faith. I believe since the question of character is important to candidates - that the character of their supporters also matter. What do you think?
Thanks, Peace and God bless,
Sorry - not quite following you on this one - what religion do you think Obama is and why, exactly?
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 3:55:43 PM
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But, it WON'T be over. Not this time.
If the radical left loses this one we are in for even more howling and, potentially, unrest in the streets.
The radical left wins, then we will most likely see a clampdown on freedom of speech that will finally wake up that part of the country that has been asleep.
Don't look at the figurehead... Obama... look at the forces BEHIND the figurehead. Had Hillary won the Democratic nomination things would be set up a lot differently. But, if the radical left can upset a Clinton, then they are powerful indeed.
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
Nothing is fair or all is fair.
This election is doing just what I thought it would do.
Bring out the ugly(Myself included) in everyone.
There are so many issues now.
Race, gender, etc.
I personally think Bo was not given some fair treatment and neither will Sarah Palin be given it.
I'm at the point I just wish for it to be OVER.
Whoever wins.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 4:15:13 PM
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This association is a huge factor in my judgement of him. My associations in the 60's put me into contact with many in the protest movement and some in movements like the Weather Underground and the Weathermen.
The protest movement was NOT monolithic. Some marched in peace against a war and others marched in solidarity with our enemies in hopes of causing chaos and toppling the government to be replaced with a Socialist regime. It is the elites of the protest movement that fell into this latter category. The average person views that period of time as a generation of idealists. But, they ignore the dangerous underground that manipulated those idealists for their own purposes.
And, even more sadly, the average person fails to recognize WHERE those elites went after the protestors returned home... into our higher educational systems.
Bill Ayers was not a young idealist marching against war because he loved peace. He was a murderous socialist thug that knew better than to actually believe that peace could be brought to the world. So, he brought his own brand of terrorism and war.
If you want to know why Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers should completely disqualify him for ANY office, then the person to listen to is David Horowitz. He was there. He knows exactly what these people wanted and where they wanted to take this country.
Here, for example, is a page that you might find interesting. I am not linking there because of the film it discussed. I have no idea if it's good or bad. What is important is that it explains the past goals of the leaders of the protest movement and the current state of the educational system infused by those very leaders.
While the vast majority of people think this election is about 2008, it is not. It is about the festering frustration of the leaders of 1968 and their one last chance at victory. Obama is just a smooth-talking pawn.
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
I think this is a non-issue in light of his associations with terrorist Bill Ayers. So I wish there was more discussion of this rather than his professed Christianity.
Like one said on talk radio yesterday, the media, in 19 months has only asked him one question on this subject! Has anyone on here discussed it in the OB threads? Sorry I don't read those.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 4:36:32 PM
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Please tell me you are just 13 years old.
Ayer's book was called 'Fugitive Days'!!!! His girlfriend was killed by a bomb she was making!!! He, himself, BRAGS about planting bombs and he was charged by the federal government but went into hiding. This is one bad dude. But, he is also a part of the Daley political machine in Chicago.
Enter Obama.
Bill Ayers was an open book when Obama met him. But, both being a part of the Chicago political machine probably led Obama to feel that it was not only safe being an associate; but, helpful to a swift rise through the machine.
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
I think this is a non-issue in light of his associations with terrorist Bill Ayers. So I wish there was more discussion of this rather than his professed Christianity.
Like one said on talk radio yesterday, the media, in 19 months has only asked him one question on this subject! Has anyone on here discussed it in the OB threads? Sorry I don't read those.
Why be surprised that no one is concerned about a non-issue?
Obama's 'association' - such as it is - amounts to the two of them both serving on the Board of the Woods Foundation and both being on the faculty of the U of Chicago. it might be noted that
(1) this *association* is as tenuous as the rest of the bash-Obama swiftboating,
(2) that Ayers was never convicted of a felony, which in America still counts for something, and
(3) that the *association* - again, such as it was - occured years after Ayers' radical days.
Trying to paint Obama with the Ayers brush might work, except that there is no paint in that bucket.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 4:43:35 PM
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While it may appear one sided regarding the discussions, this is America and we as Americans have the right and the responsibility to elect the individuals we feel are best suited for the job, and the discussions are part and parcel of this process.
Meanwhile one of my concerns is that with teen pregnancies rising at an alarming rate, I believe that Bristol Palin's pregnancy has been far too oversensationalized and that it may be in poor taste that they present the boyfriend/fiancee/fture husband in the forum of the national convention.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 6:30:53 PM
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I agree revbob4God - the Palin daughter's pregnancy is way over-sensationalized. I think I missed a day or two of posting - where that story really blew up. I actually started another thread where I said that the McCain \ Palin ticket is really getting unfairly hammered (the 'Take a Deep Breath and Pray' thread) on personal matters that should not be part a vote, IMHO.
Thank you all for posting. Most of you have very cool things to say and I appreciate them.
See, I can find good things about both parties - I like both the Obama\Biden team and the McCain\Palin team - I think they both have great things to offer. I really could care less about those that find problems with this - when they rip on me for it - I think they're jealous ;) But there are those on both sides that will not find anything good about 'the other side' and I think that is very unfortunate. I guess I was blessed with the greatest parents on earth. They taught me to find beauty where you can, even in the small things. Because of this, I'm one of those boring 'gray' people that sits in the middle. But, appreciating beauty in all has led me to appreciate other cultures - I loooooove to travel.
Anyway, the people that do not find beauty where they can are certainly missing out on meeting lots of cool people. If I didn't , I would not have conversed with you fine people on this forum.
I pray that you all find beauty in people that you meet in person, those you converse with in cyber space, irregardless that they may not vote the same way you do.
Take care, Peace and God bless!
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 7:31:47 PM
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I agree revbob4God - the Palin daughter's pregnancy is way over-sensationalized. I think I missed a day or two of posting - where that story really blew up. I actually started another thread where I said that the McCain \ Palin ticket is really getting unfairly hammered (the 'Take a Deep Breath and Pray' thread) on personal matters that should not be part a vote, IMHO.
Thank you all for posting. Most of you have very cool things to say and I appreciate them.
See, I can find good things about both parties - I like both the Obama\Biden team and the McCain\Palin team - I think they both have great things to offer. I really could care less about those that find problems with this - when they rip on me for it - I think they're jealous ;) But there are those on both sides that will not find anything good about 'the other side' and I think that is very unfortunate. I guess I was blessed with the greatest parents on earth. They taught me to find beauty where you can, even in the small things. Because of this, I'm one of those boring 'gray' people that sits in the middle. But, appreciating beauty in all has led me to appreciate other cultures - I loooooove to travel.
Anyway, the people that do not find beauty where they can are certainly missing out on meeting lots of cool people. If I didn't , I would not have conversed with you fine people on this forum.
I pray that you all find beauty in people that you meet in person, those you converse with in cyber space, irregardless that they may not vote the same way you do.
When you can strain some beauty out of murdered unborn children or sexual perversion please post it...
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 7:43:00 PM
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But, it WON'T be over. Not this time.
If the radical left loses this one we are in for even more howling and, potentially, unrest in the streets.
The radical left wins, then we will most likely see a clampdown on freedom of speech that will finally wake up that part of the country that has been asleep.
Don't look at the figurehead... Obama... look at the forces BEHIND the figurehead. Had Hillary won the Democratic nomination things would be set up a lot differently. But, if the radical left can upset a Clinton, then they are powerful indeed.
and wait till you see the "forces"behind Bo beat Mccain/Palin.
but do we agree on who that "force" is, i wonder?
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 7:55:09 PM
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Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fair on this forum?
NO! Going after the candidates is one thing and it can get rough, but attacking candidates children I think is out of line.
People here and in the media won't let up on Palin's daughter and that's wrong.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 8:08:34 PM
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I agree revbob4God - the Palin daughter's pregnancy is way over-sensationalized. I think I missed a day or two of posting - where that story really blew up. I actually started another thread where I said that the McCain \ Palin ticket is really getting unfairly hammered (the 'Take a Deep Breath and Pray' thread) on personal matters that should not be part a vote, IMHO.
Thank you all for posting. Most of you have very cool things to say and I appreciate them.
See, I can find good things about both parties - I like both the Obama\Biden team and the McCain\Palin team - I think they both have great things to offer. I really could care less about those that find problems with this - when they rip on me for it - I think they're jealous ;) But there are those on both sides that will not find anything good about 'the other side' and I think that is very unfortunate. I guess I was blessed with the greatest parents on earth. They taught me to find beauty where you can, even in the small things. Because of this, I'm one of those boring 'gray' people that sits in the middle. But, appreciating beauty in all has led me to appreciate other cultures - I loooooove to travel.
Anyway, the people that do not find beauty where they can are certainly missing out on meeting lots of cool people. If I didn't , I would not have conversed with you fine people on this forum.
I pray that you all find beauty in people that you meet in person, those you converse with in cyber space, irregardless that they may not vote the same way you do.
When you can strain some beauty out of murdered unborn children or sexual perversion please post it...
That's a surprising statement from you 
Seriously, I could probably write a program that could randomly output your typical responses and then you wouldn't have to sit at the computer at 3am 
Take care, Peace and God bless,
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 8:14:39 PM
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I agree revbob4God - the Palin daughter's pregnancy is way over-sensationalized. I think I missed a day or two of posting - where that story really blew up. I actually started another thread where I said that the McCain \ Palin ticket is really getting unfairly hammered (the 'Take a Deep Breath and Pray' thread) on personal matters that should not be part a vote, IMHO.
Thank you all for posting. Most of you have very cool things to say and I appreciate them.
See, I can find good things about both parties - I like both the Obama\Biden team and the McCain\Palin team - I think they both have great things to offer. I really could care less about those that find problems with this - when they rip on me for it - I think they're jealous ;) But there are those on both sides that will not find anything good about 'the other side' and I think that is very unfortunate. I guess I was blessed with the greatest parents on earth. They taught me to find beauty where you can, even in the small things. Because of this, I'm one of those boring 'gray' people that sits in the middle. But, appreciating beauty in all has led me to appreciate other cultures - I loooooove to travel.
Anyway, the people that do not find beauty where they can are certainly missing out on meeting lots of cool people. If I didn't , I would not have conversed with you fine people on this forum.
I pray that you all find beauty in people that you meet in person, those you converse with in cyber space, irregardless that they may not vote the same way you do.
When you can strain some beauty out of murdered unborn children or sexual perversion please post it...
That's a surprising statement from you
Seriously, I could probably write a program that could randomly output your typical responses and then you wouldn't have to sit at the computer at 3am
Heh... The get a life post... Always ironic and typically used to avoid something...
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 10:35:07 PM
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The forces are the radical left and the media. I have worked in the media and I recognize this as the media's election. That is why, on both sides, the candidates were chosen well before the primary process was even in full swing.
MSNBC, for instance, has abandoned all pretence of fairness. When those responsible for presenting the news MAKE and BEND the news, then they have moved from news to propaganda.
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But, it WON'T be over. Not this time.
If the radical left loses this one we are in for even more howling and, potentially, unrest in the streets.
The radical left wins, then we will most likely see a clampdown on freedom of speech that will finally wake up that part of the country that has been asleep.
Don't look at the figurehead... Obama... look at the forces BEHIND the figurehead. Had Hillary won the Democratic nomination things would be set up a lot differently. But, if the radical left can upset a Clinton, then they are powerful indeed.
and wait till you see the "forces"behind Bo beat Mccain/Palin.
but do we agree on who that "force" is, i wonder?
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 10:42:46 PM
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DreadPirateRandy
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yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
Anyone can publicly state that they are Christian. It doesn't make their words any the more truthful.
What he stands for is in complete opposition of Christianity based on the Word of God. Sorry, but I won't willfully be ignorant and ignore that, regardless of what politician is running.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 11:58:30 PM
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Thessa
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
Anyone can publicly state that they are Christian. It doesn't make their words any the more truthful.
What he stands for is in complete opposition of Christianity based on the Word of God. Sorry, but I won't willfully be ignorant and ignore that, regardless of what politician is running.
Very true.
Oprah does the same thing. She says shes a Christian then states that Jesus cant be the only way to Heaven. Um...Christian? Not so much...
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/4/2008 12:38:38 AM
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
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ORIGINAL: DreadPirateRandy
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
Anyone can publicly state that they are Christian. It doesn't make their words any the more truthful.
What he stands for is in complete opposition of Christianity based on the Word of God. Sorry, but I won't willfully be ignorant and ignore that, regardless of what politician is running.
Very true.
Oprah does the same thing. She says shes a Christian then states that Jesus cant be the only way to Heaven. Um...Christian? Not so much...
Not at all... Lukewarm will not do...
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Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/4/2008 12:41:28 AM
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Thessa
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
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ORIGINAL: DreadPirateRandy
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian.
Anyone can publicly state that they are Christian. It doesn't make their words any the more truthful.
What he stands for is in complete opposition of Christianity based on the Word of God. Sorry, but I won't willfully be ignorant and ignore that, regardless of what politician is running.
Very true.
Oprah does the same thing. She says shes a Christian then states that Jesus cant be the only way to Heaven. Um...Christian? Not so much...
Not at all... Lukewarm will not do...
Exactly. But unfortunately too many people think that way.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/5/2008 10:17:29 PM
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solomonsprayer
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Being my second week here, I think it is terrible.
People are ideologues. Completely one-sided and always justifying their side by any means necessary. Lots of double-standards and circular reasoning as well. It's not objective at all and at worst is downright mean.
I find myself acting different here too. This place is bad for my spiritual health and I intend to stop coming here now.
The analysis of candidates also tends to be based more on character and not on policy (education crisis, health-care, economy, foreign policy, etc.)...
I'll be praying for everyone, including myself, to have a heart of discernment, righteousness, and compassion in these discusions. It's definitely been hard.
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