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Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fair on... - 9/1/2008 6:29:32 PM
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Lizahana
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There have been a few posts about the McCain \ Palin ticket, that, IMHO, are not even issues that I consider when I vote - those being the current one about Palin's daughter (definitely a non-issue for me) and, the only other one I can recall, was the thread about McCain's previous marriage (also, a non-issue for me).
In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian. The McCain camp has not even questioned Obama's christianity - yet there are quite a few here on these threads that do attack his Christianity, saying that he is otherwise - from calling him wicked to saying he was part of a cult, to saying that he is Hindu...the list goes on.
I think that the courtesy that some ask for has not been extended to Obama in the deeply personal matter of his faith. I believe since the question of character is important to candidates - that the character of their supporters also matter. What do you think?
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/1/2008 6:42:07 PM
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I think the issues we should address are those that directly impact their abilities as President and those issues which the candidates themselves make an issue.
I think there has been plenty of unfairness on both sides, and any hopes that this election would be about issues have all but faded. I anticipate each side will blame the other for this, but the fact is whether they initiated it or responded in kind, both sides are hip deep in it.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/1/2008 6:49:38 PM
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Lizahana
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Agreed. However, I think on this site, the personal attacks against Obama far, far outnumber those against McCain. I think this is unfair.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/1/2008 6:50:37 PM
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I think there has been plenty of unfairness on both sides, and any hopes that this election would be about issues have all but faded. I anticipate each side will blame the other for this, but the fact is whether they initiated it or responded in kind, both sides are hip deep in it.
I was just going to respond with "no" but this post says it all.
I will say the first three posts (edit: five) in this thread are from four people who are trying (and succeeding, at least most of the time) to be fair although we all have our preferences.
Yes, I included myself. How unhumble of me.
Edit 2: You are right in that Obama has been the target more often than McCain. I think that's more due to conservatives being in the majority here. If this were a liberal forum it would be the other way. And from what I have seen (that's a qualifier, I'm not tarring all liberals) much more rude and nasty. Not that it excuses Christians from their comparatively mild attacks. Its not based on a curve.
BTW: no more editing to include anybody so don't take it personally.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/1/2008 6:56:29 PM
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Agreed. However, I think on this site, the personal attacks against Obama far, far outnumber those against McCain. I think this is unfair.
I think we just tend to notice attacks against candidates we favor; there are plenty of nasty attacks against McCain and his VP.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/1/2008 6:57:26 PM
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I like you Rufas2000, you do seem to look at things in a fair way.
Thank you. I edited my post to include you in my count (and thats the last edit). I remember you stuck up for the Obamas when some were saying they were bad parents.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/1/2008 7:01:41 PM
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Lizahana
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Agreed. However, I think on this site, the personal attacks against Obama far, far outnumber those against McCain. I think this is unfair.
I think we just tend to notice attacks against candidates we favor; there are plenty of nasty attacks against McCain and his VP.
Well, I respectfully disagree - all one needs to do is look at the anti-Obama threads.
And, acutally, I don't know whom I'm voting for quite honestly. I like things about both pairs this time - especially since McCain put Palin on the ticket. I think it's the most exciting vote I'll ever make! I'm so excited!!!
Peace and God bless,
BTW - thanks to all you for posting!
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/1/2008 7:02:41 PM
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I like you Rufas2000, you do seem to look at things in a fair way.
Thank you. I edited my post to include you in my count (and thats the last edit). I remember you stuck up for the Obamas when some were saying they were bad parents.
 Thanks, I do think the Obama's are good parents, that have very adorable girls. That does not mean I agree with his policies, which, are important to me. That has nothing to do though with him as a good husband, or dad.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/1/2008 7:49:27 PM
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Jhud
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Well, I respectfully disagree - all one needs to do is look at the anti-Obama threads.
And, acutally, I don't know whom I'm voting for quite honestly. I like things about both pairs this time - especially since McCain put Palin on the ticket. I think it's the most exciting vote I'll ever make! I'm so excited!!!
Actually, I counted - and on the first page it seems pretty even - and that isn't even counting the numerous Palin sub-posts.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/2/2008 2:40:27 AM
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There is a Methodist Church where I used to live in Northern California that has a female homosexual Pastor... She professes to be a Christian.... Anyone here believe she is? Publicly stated you are a Christian doesn't mean anything if your actions say otherwise...
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/2/2008 10:48:45 PM
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I have been impressed by the amount of grace and understanding extended to Palin and her daughter.
However, if a Democrat had a pregnant unwed 17 year old daughter, I have no doubt the same courtesy would NOT have been extended to them.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/2/2008 11:12:17 PM
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Jhud
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I have been impressed by the amount of grace and understanding extended to Palin and her daughter.
However, if a Democrat had a pregnant unwed 17 year old daughter, I have no doubt the same courtesy would NOT have been extended to them.
What planet are you living on? Unless you had your eyes plunged out recently, you cannot be on this forum and say Palin has been extended anything like 'grace'.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/2/2008 11:22:38 PM
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wing2000
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What planet are you living on? Unless you had your eyes plunged out recently, you cannot be on this forum and say Palin has been extended anything like 'grace'.
I have not read most of today's postings....so perhaps things thing have taken a turn for the worse.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/2/2008 11:26:16 PM
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Jhud
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I have not read most of today's postings....so perhaps things thing have taken a turn for the worse.
Since about an hour after her nomination.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/2/2008 11:29:06 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I have been impressed by the amount of grace and understanding extended to Palin and her daughter.
However, if a Democrat had a pregnant unwed 17 year old daughter, I have no doubt the same courtesy would NOT have been extended to them.
I believe most would believe it's par for the course and that the child would probably never see the light of day...
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/2/2008 11:51:52 PM
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Questions regarding the sincerity of the personal beliefs of a man that would be president and who claims to be a 'born again Christian' are not only right to bring up in a forum like this. They are imperitive to bring up given the world-wide movement that is threatening all humanity.
For one to be a true Christian, they must have the Holy Spirit of God indwelling and sealing them. This means that they are intrinsically bound with the mind of Christ which is in complete agreement with the Word of God. When a person demonstrates that in HUGE areas they are not in agreement with the clear teachings of Scripture, then it IS fair to question the reality of their relationship with God.
I know that we materialistic Americans are focused on the economy and gas prices. And, I also know that these are distractions to the real threat that we and our children face. And, that is the growing messianic vision of Islam to conquer the globe in order to pave the way for their messiah. Shariah is the great threat that we face in localities, states and nationally. The British have already caved and we are not far behind. But, most Americans simply have no clue what Shariah means or the impact it will have on destroying our Constitutional law.
I have said it before in these forums and I will say it again. What puzzles me most about Obama's Christianity is that it has not brought him condemnation from the Islamic Community. That is such an anomally that it stands out in a glaring way. For, those who had any involvement in Islam, whatsoever, and then turn to another religion... particularly Christianity... are generally targeted by Islam as apostates and many are targeted for death. Why then is Obama, the apostate, lauded by Muslim leaders? I don't know. But, it's more than a little bit puzzling.
Does this mean that Obama draws some sharper scrutiny from me regarding his declaration of his belief in Christ? Yes. This isn't simply a Methodist vs. Baptist question. It's deeper and more dangerous than that. We, as Christians, cannot afford to be decieved or we could be swallowed up by that whom we have supported.
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
There have been a few posts about the McCain \ Palin ticket, that, IMHO, are not even issues that I consider when I vote - those being the current one about Palin's daughter (definitely a non-issue for me) and, the only other one I can recall, was the thread about McCain's previous marriage (also, a non-issue for me).
In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian. The McCain camp has not even questioned Obama's christianity - yet there are quite a few here on these threads that do attack his Christianity, saying that he is otherwise - from calling him wicked to saying he was part of a cult, to saying that he is Hindu...the list goes on.
I think that the courtesy that some ask for has not been extended to Obama in the deeply personal matter of his faith. I believe since the question of character is important to candidates - that the character of their supporters also matter. What do you think?
Thanks, Peace and God bless,
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/2/2008 11:54:57 PM
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Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
Questions regarding the sincerity of the personal beliefs of a man that would be president and who claims to be a 'born again Christian' are not only right to bring up in a forum like this. They are imperitive to bring up given the world-wide movement that is threatening all humanity.
For one to be a true Christian, they must have the Holy Spirit of God indwelling and sealing them. This means that they are intrinsically bound with the mind of Christ which is in complete agreement with the Word of God. When a person demonstrates that in HUGE areas they are not in agreement with the clear teachings of Scripture, then it IS fair to question the reality of their relationship with God.
I know that we materialistic Americans are focused on the economy and gas prices. And, I also know that these are distractions to the real threat that we and our children face. And, that is the growing messianic vision of Islam to conquer the globe in order to pave the way for their messiah. Shariah is the great threat that we face in localities, states and nationally. The British have already caved and we are not far behind. But, most Americans simply have no clue what Shariah means or the impact it will have on destroying our Constitutional law.
I have said it before in these forums and I will say it again. What puzzles me most about Obama's Christianity is that it has not brought him condemnation from the Islamic Community. That is such an anomally that it stands out in a glaring way. For, those who had any involvement in Islam, whatsoever, and then turn to another religion... particularly Christianity... are generally targeted by Islam as apostates and many are targeted for death. Why then is Obama, the apostate, lauded by Muslim leaders? I don't know. But, it's more than a little bit puzzling.
Does this mean that Obama draws some sharper scrutiny from me regarding his declaration of his belief in Christ? Yes. This isn't simply a Methodist vs. Baptist question. It's deeper and more dangerous than that. We, as Christians, cannot afford to be decieved or we could be swallowed up by that whom we have supported.
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
There have been a few posts about the McCain \ Palin ticket, that, IMHO, are not even issues that I consider when I vote - those being the current one about Palin's daughter (definitely a non-issue for me) and, the only other one I can recall, was the thread about McCain's previous marriage (also, a non-issue for me).
In comparison, there have been many, many threads attacking Obama's christianity - yet, he has publicly stated that he is a Christian. The McCain camp has not even questioned Obama's christianity - yet there are quite a few here on these threads that do attack his Christianity, saying that he is otherwise - from calling him wicked to saying he was part of a cult, to saying that he is Hindu...the list goes on.
I think that the courtesy that some ask for has not been extended to Obama in the deeply personal matter of his faith. I believe since the question of character is important to candidates - that the character of their supporters also matter. What do you think?
Thanks, Peace and God bless,
Sorry - not quite following you on this one - what religion do you think Obama is and why, exactly?
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 12:39:50 AM
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Sorry - not quite following you on this one - what religion do you think Obama is and why, exactly?
He's whatever it takes to get elected... If it wasn't for him running for president he's still be in the apostate church he was in for the last 20 years that recognizes same sex unions among other things...
He's of a religion of his own vain imagination... One that allows you to claim the name of Christ will contradicting His word on daily basis with no sign or humility and or repentance.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 12:47:18 AM
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Lizahana
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Sorry - not quite following you on this one - what religion do you think Obama is and why, exactly?
He's whatever it takes to get elected... If it wasn't for him running for president he's still be in the apostate church he was in for the last 20 years that recognizes same sex unions among other things...
He's of a religion of his own vain imagination... One that allows you to claim the name of Christ will contradicting His word on daily basis with no sign or humility and or repentance.
John, I know that's what YOU think - I was asking TMeeks.
Nothing personal - it's just you and I have had this dialogue before, and I'd like to get other opinons.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 1:06:59 AM
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Lizahana
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Sorry - not quite following you on this one - what religion do you think Obama is and why, exactly?
He's whatever it takes to get elected... If it wasn't for him running for president he's still be in the apostate church he was in for the last 20 years that recognizes same sex unions among other things...
He's of a religion of his own vain imagination... One that allows you to claim the name of Christ will contradicting His word on daily basis with no sign or humility and or repentance.
John, I know that's what YOU think - I was asking TMeeks.
Nothing personal - it's just you and I have had this dialogue before, and I'd like to get other opinons.
No problem... Just taking the opportunity to state the truth about Mr. Obama's phony claim of Christ...
For the record, I don't THINK Mr. Obama supports abortion, his deeds and words say so, same goes for his support of the homosexual agenda, that is in direct conflict with God's agenda... Which BTW isn't opinion, but fact...
Thank you for your opinion and for stopping by on my post. It would be drearily boring if you hadn't.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 1:07:40 AM
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Nothing is fair when it comes to politics. You have to be strong to talk about it from the sidelines and you have to be made of steel to participate in it.
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RE: Do you think the treatment of the candidates is fai... - 9/3/2008 8:42:11 AM
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Only God can see the heart of a person, so I would never judge Obama's claim that he is a "Christian." However, for hundreds, if not thousands, "Christian" has applied to certain races, nations, and schools of thoughts; not a personal belief and a relationship with God.
Why I don't like Obama - The Bible states that "By their fruits you shall know them." Looking at everything he stands for, he does not produce fruit that I respect. I have no idea whether or not he is a good person/husband/father, etc. ..... His policies are in direct disagreement with God's word - and that's what matters to me.
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