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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 7:29:34 PM
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csl7037
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Not at all! I hope people will take the time to look honestly at the issues and charges being levied against Palin - and the accusations and attacks flying back and forth both ways about all the candidates. You can't just rely on the soundbites and think you are getting a clear picture of who is who and what is what. You have to dig a little deeper. You might've started this thread with a faulty assumption but you're taking the time to examine it.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 7:32:45 PM
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How can Mcain believe in Palin? He only met her one time before he picked her? This choice was not based on her credentials. She was never considered in the beginning. He was looking at four men who went to his ranch to discuss the possible VP role, basically to pick his VP.
He is using the gender card. It's a ploy and the majority of women are falling for it or so it seems on this particular forum.
I am not convinced for one and it's just silly to say it's a jealousy issue.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 7:33:19 PM
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Not at all! I hope people will take the time to look honestly at the issues and charges being levied against Palin - and the accusations and attacks flying back and forth both ways about all the candidates. You can't just rely on the soundbites and think you are getting a clear picture of who is who and what is what. You have to dig a little deeper. You might've started this thread with a faulty assumption but you're taking the time to examine it.
Yay, more good points. 
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 7:36:15 PM
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csl7037
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He easily could've been playing all those guys he invited to barbecue. Considering the way they played this pick, to get the absolute biggest bang for their political buck with the announcement, it's obvious a lot of strategy went into this decision. He never commited to any of those guys. Never hinted at anything. He and his advisors were obviously guaging the tenor of the campaign waiting till the last possible moment to make a decision and waiting for the best time to announce it. It's a political game. He wasn't joining a dating service looking for his VP-soul-mate... he's running a campaign. And I think they're playing it quite well right now.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 10:28:50 PM
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Oh, I think she totally agrees with her own stand.
Afterall, her daughter is keeping the baby.
And getting married. I think most social conservatives would be in agreement with those choices.
Shotgun weddings are not a conservative value Jack.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 10:51:54 PM
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Shotgun weddings are not a conservative value Jack.
Actually, shotgun weddings are very much a conservative value - not getting married and living off the state is a liberal value.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 12:09:36 AM
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How can Mcain believe in Palin? He only met her one time before he picked her? This choice was not based on her credentials. She was never considered in the beginning. He was looking at four men who went to his ranch to discuss the possible VP role, basically to pick his VP.
He is using the gender card. It's a ploy and the majority of women are falling for it or so it seems on this particular forum.
I am not convinced for one and it's just silly to say it's a jealousy issue.
It's higly unlikely she was a last minute choice. At least up here, the possibiility of Palin being picked had been bruited about for weeks.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 1:31:34 AM
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Is Sarah Palin the most qualified person for that job?
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 1:40:17 AM
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Jhud
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Is Sarah Palin the most qualified person for that job?
I think she is suitably qualified; whether others think so of course will depend on their political persuasion.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 3:00:39 AM
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Is Sarah Palin the most qualified person for that job?
In terms of Washington politics,foreign policy,armed services,foreign trade,politically indepth talks with foreign heads and assistant heads of state,terrorism etc... She is probably not the "most" qualified.
On issues of state and local ordinance,policies, and laws that are heavily influenced by federal regulation and the heavy hand of the federal money bag I'd say she is very qualified.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 6:06:45 AM
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Is Sarah Palin the most qualified person for that job?
Considering that a big job requirement, at this stage of the game, is to energize this campaign and help get John McCain elected, yes, she's perfect for the job. They've admittedly taken a calculated gamble here but she's "qualified" because she's exactly what they needed to go against the politics of the Obama campaign.
And we can't complain about those politics because we have no one to blame but ourselves. If we want a campgaign based on issues and qualifications, "we" (as Americans by and large) can't vote on sound bites and attack ads and image. As long as this is how "we" (the vast majority of Americans) vote, this is how candidates will campaign.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 8:09:19 AM
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How can Mcain believe in Palin? He only met her one time before he picked her? This choice was not based on her credentials. She was never considered in the beginning. He was looking at four men who went to his ranch to discuss the possible VP role, basically to pick his VP.
He is using the gender card. It's a ploy and the majority of women are falling for it or so it seems on this particular forum.
I am not convinced for one and it's just silly to say it's a jealousy issue.
How can he believe in her?
She beat out an incumbant Republican in the primary; she spent less money than her Democrat opponent and still won the gubernatorial race. Once in office, she cleaned house -throwing out both corrupt Democrats and Republicans. She is another aisle reacher - she has Democrats in her cabinet. She has slashed or eliminated pork barrel programs in Alaska. All of this on top of her most important job of having 5 beautiful kids. She did all of this in the short time being in office.
McCain is a maverick - at least give him that irregardless of what think of him - McCain sees people for what they are, not which party they belong to. Just look at how he reaches across the aisle. He saw what most of us see - she did all of the aforementioned and she is a woman. He saw, like we do, that she did all of this, despite being in a minority. And if you don't think there is still a certain amount of discrimination towards women, you're wrong.
And, how could you not consider her? True, she does not have much experience, or a fancy-schmancy law degree (I generally don't like lawyers anyway) like some of the other candidates, but that is precisely her charm! She is not old school DC - she is a maverick just like McCain. She is a force to be reckoned with. She's like the 'Mrs Smith Goes to Alaska' - an average (well, way above average looking) citizen who didn't like what she saw in Alaska and decided why can't a mother of 4 (at the time) do something about this, because a mother of 4 knows peoples pain. And when she did become governor of Alaska, she delivered - throwing out the old way of doing politics - throwing out the corrupt politicans including corrupt Republicans & throwing out the pork barrel programs - and working with 'the other party' and even having them in her cabinet.
And now, 'Mrs Palin may be Going to Washington' - Mr. Smith, ala Jimmy Stewart, would be proud I'm sure. I don't agree with her environmental stance; and don't like McCain's war rhetoric, but her story is compelling. I had been leaning Obama, but, with her on the ticket - I don't know whom I'm voting for.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 10:00:00 AM
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Governor Palin is a HUGELY better selection than was Senator Quayle.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 10:01:33 AM
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Once in office, she cleaned house -throwing out both corrupt Democrats and Republicans. She is another aisle reacher - she has Democrats in her cabinet. She has slashed or eliminated pork barrel programs in Alaska. All of this on top of her most important job of having 5 beautiful kids. She did all of this in the short time being in office.
Except she was for the Bridge to NOWHERE! until it was not polilitically correct to do so. Taht was shared by Fox News last night.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 1:24:33 PM
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How can Mcain believe in Palin?
Believe in her for what? To do the job to be committed? I think something that we all miss here (because we are probably better educated on politics than 97% of Americans) is that the majority of Americans aren't looking at the resumes of these people anyways. I don't believe America wants experienced people leading the nation. McCain knows that. People are moved more by the heart than the mind. The question in this election isn't about abortion or not or fiscal conservative or not. Many people now have to choose between first black president or first woman Vice president. McCain chose Palin because people can relate to her and we dont' get that in Washington that much. How many parents can relate to having a down syndrome child or having a child that come home at 17 and gets pregnant? There are many.
McCain is very smart.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 5:17:44 PM
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Thessa
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Once in office, she cleaned house -throwing out both corrupt Democrats and Republicans. She is another aisle reacher - she has Democrats in her cabinet. She has slashed or eliminated pork barrel programs in Alaska. All of this on top of her most important job of having 5 beautiful kids. She did all of this in the short time being in office.
Except she was for the Bridge to NOWHERE! until it was not polilitically correct to do so. Taht was shared by Fox News last night.
Thats funny...i watched Fox News and i didnt hear anything of the sort.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 5:20:41 PM
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Taht was shared by Fox News last night.
The left smears FOX News up one side and down the other, yet quotes them when they think it suits their case.
Priceless...
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 5:25:12 PM
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Taht was shared by Fox News last night.
The left smears FOX News up one side and down the other, yet quotes them when they think it suits their case.
Priceless...
Exactly!
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 5:28:23 PM
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Thats funny...i watched Fox News and i didnt hear anything of the sort.
Hannity and Colmes,
Colmes brought it up while Newt Gingrich was on, Newt could not deny it.
The girl was for the Bridge to nowhere unitl it became politically inncorrect.
WE been laughing at Hannity foaming at the mouth for some months now, ever since BO started running, and to think he is right near me, just across the river.......
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 5:31:39 PM
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Thessa
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Thats funny...i watched Fox News and i didnt hear anything of the sort.
Hannity and Colmes,
Colmes brought it up while Newt Gingrich was on, Newt could not deny it.
The girl was for the Bridge to nowhere unitl it became politically inncorrect.
WE been laughing at Hannity foaming at the mouth for some months now, ever since BO started running, and to think he is right near me, just across the river.......
Hannity and Colmes is hardly the same thing as saying it was on Fox News. Thats like saying it was on the front page of the Enquirer. Most of that show is just based solely on opinions from a very vocal liberal.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/2/2008 5:34:42 PM
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tafkam
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Most of that show is just based solely on opinions from a very vocal liberal.
Actually most of that show is dominated by Sean Hannity, and all Colmes can do is just hang on.
Ever watched Alan Colmes try to get a guest to stop talking because they have to go to commercial? They just keep talking right over him. He reminds me of Rodney Dangerfield, no respect at all...
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/3/2008 1:15:47 PM
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I think this should go here 'cause it's on topic and the regular Palin thread is way too cluttered for good conversation.
Why would McCain choose a VP who is currently under investigation for abuse of power? For that matter, she's connected in numerous ways to a group that wants to secede from the Union. I personally am very in favor of the rights of secession, but... I dunno, maybe it'll play well. It seems like more and more stuff is coming out by the hour, and the media, dirty liberals though they may be, aren't able to keep up with it.
This is interesting though, she filed an ethics complaint against herself in order to shift jurisdiction to her people.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212774.php
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We've already brought you news of the official investigation into Gov. Palin's firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Steve Branchflower, the lead investigator, began trying to arrange a deposition of the governor days before her veep selection. And despite claiming executive privilege to shield requested emails, up until that point Palin had promised full cooperation with the probe.
Now, however, she is refusing to submit to questioning by Branchflower unless he and the legislative committee that appointed him agree to relinquish control of the investigation and turn it over to a state review board made up of three Palin appointees.
Yesterday, Palin took the unusual step of having her lawyer, Thomas van Flein, file an ethics complaint against her with the state's Attorney General. This, she hopes, will lead the AG to give the investigation to the aforementioned state personnel board. Unless that happens, and Branchflower agrees to close down his investigation, she will refuse to testify.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/3/2008 1:19:24 PM
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It seems like more and more stuff is coming out by the hour, and the media, dirty liberals though they may be, aren't able to keep up with it.
Actually, it seems like more stuff is being manufactured by the hour, since most of this stuff means absolutely zip.
I do not care if her daughter is pregnant.
I do not care that her husband got a DUI 22 years ago.
I do not care that she fired a state trooper (since it was within her rights to do so).
The left is trying it's typical scorched earth policies to attempt to steamroll and destroy Sarah Palin. It will either work or backfire on them big time. I'm betting on the latter..
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