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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:10:08 PM
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Lizahana
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I think Palin was his best choice & did not think he'd pick her. He had to choose a conservative - and I thought it'd be Romney because he is well-known. Palin electrifies his base because she pro-life, is not the old DC guard & she's a woman!!! Either way you vote, you're making history!!!! It's sooo exciting!!!
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:11:01 PM
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If you don't agree with her on the issues, say that,
Apparently she doesnt agree with her self on the issues either.
A pregnant teen from a social conservative?
So what would you do as a social conservative with a pregnant teenager? Even Obama concedes this has nothing to do with the "issues".
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:11:16 PM
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Jhud
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Apparently she doesnt agree with her self on the issues either.
A pregnant teen from a social conservative?
I don't think her daughter is an 'issue' - and the point of being pro-life is that we support life however it comes into being. Obviously everyone supports the birth of babies that were intentional.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:12:07 PM
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Dubya
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If you don't agree with her on the issues, say that,
Apparently she doesnt agree with her self on the issues either.
A pregnant teen from a social conservative?
In your opinion, how should the problem be handled?
Seems to me that the family is being very consistent with their values and faith.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:12:53 PM
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solomonsprayer
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Yes, you could be wrong.
She has excelled as a leader, reformer, communicator, businesswoman and has more experience than Obama. If you don't agree with her on the issues, say that, but your arguement about her experience doesn't hold water unless you want to write off Obama too for "lack" of experience. Sarah Palin is a game-changer ....of course you don't like the kind of "change" she represents.
Hey hey hey,....I never said I didn't like the kind of "change" she represents. I hope that I didn't come off as that way at least.
I know so little about her, which is my problem. I need to educate myself on her. But looking at her year's as governor...I just didnt' think it was impressive to now go to the White House. But even that begs the question of how much "experience" is necessary and what do we define as experience.
..I agree with a lot of people's points and their critiques of me....BUt never never did I feel that I dislliked Palin because she's a woman. (That part you can see me say and allude to many times above I think?). 
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:16:01 PM
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tracydolls
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So what would you do as a social conservative with a pregnant teenager? Even Obama concedes this has nothing to do with the "issues".
not and never will be a obama supporter.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:17:47 PM
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If you don't agree with her on the issues, say that,
Apparently she doesnt agree with her self on the issues either.
A pregnant teen from a social conservative?
Oh, I think she totally agrees with her own stand.
Afterall, her daughter is keeping the baby.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:18:55 PM
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Jhud
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Oh, I think she totally agrees with her own stand.
Afterall, her daughter is keeping the baby.
And getting married. I think most social conservatives would be in agreement with those choices.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:19:55 PM
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tracydolls
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Oh, I think she totally agrees with her own stand.
Afterall, her daughter is keeping the baby.
so she did not teach her VALUES to her kid?
Ok, I feel better.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:21:47 PM
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Jhud
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so she did not teach her VALUES to her kid?
Ok, I feel better.
I am sure she did - which is why her daughter is keeping the baby and getting married.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:24:12 PM
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tracydolls
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I am sure she did - which is why her daughter is keeping the baby and getting married.
HEHEHE, a social conservative would say get MARRIED first! and always keep your babies.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:24:40 PM
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LivingParadox
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Oh, I think she totally agrees with her own stand.
Afterall, her daughter is keeping the baby.
so she did not teach her VALUES to her kid?
Ok, I feel better.
I'm glad you have so much control over your kids. Maybe you can cure all the unwed teen preganancies out there. Yes, it was a dumb choice for the daughter who will have to pay for it with a abbreviated childhood as that's over. But it certainly isn't a sin that can't be redeemed from God. And as Obama (who I don't support, either --too liberal) said it best that his Mom was a unwed mother at 18. I guess God does redeem these kinds of situations.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:27:30 PM
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Jhud
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HEHEHE, a social conservative would say get MARRIED first! and always keep your babies.
A social conservative would desire that of course, but I don't thiink any social conservative is so naive as to think that is how it always happens. My wife was a single mother - but it was the choices she made after she found out that she got pregnant that convinced me she would be a good wife and mother who loved the Lord.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:27:49 PM
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solomonsprayer
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Actually that last string of comments wasn't alluding to Palin being a woman at all but that she is conservative.
Oh ok. Nope, I'm not against conservatives. I may be ignorant and shallow-minded in politics and highly fickle by the moment, but I have nothing against conservatives.
I just try to go by what I actually understand and agree with. Usually it's neither Conservative, nor Democrat, but the lesser of what I perceive as the two "evils."
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:28:47 PM
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Stephanos
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Oh, I think she totally agrees with her own stand.
Afterall, her daughter is keeping the baby.
so she did not teach her VALUES to her kid?
Ok, I feel better.
More case in point to the uter moral depravity of this country. And I am not talking about Gov Palin and her daughter.
More high and mighty self righteous people thinking that Conservitive Christians believe ourselves to be perfect. More ignorance more hatered for everything Conservitive, so that when one does make a mistake, when one does sin, as EVERY SINGLE HUMAN HAS, you jump and attack pointing fingers of accusation and vile.
Here is a news flash for you missy. No one is perfect. Even in solid christian homes there is sin. No human (save Christ Jesus) will lead a sinless life style. That dose NOT negate what they believe. Speaking against sin, trying to lead a holy life is what we are COMMANDED BY GOD to do. But we WILL fall, we WILL fall short. Gov Palin's daughter is not proof that the conservative stance is wrong, it is proof that human beings are sinful. And it is HOW we deal with that sin, that determines where our loyalties lie. If we are trully God's children, we will get up, repent, and do right despite the sin. We will turn what Satan intended for evil, into something good for the Lord.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:30:34 PM
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solomonsprayer
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So has everyone pretty much brushed aside my OP about McCain choosing Palin for political expediency and strategy to court women votes....and that people will not choose McCain because if he dies (given his age), Palin would be considered/seen as too inexperienced to be Pres.?
Just making sure no one thinks or cares about that now right? ...That's all been debunked by you guys?
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:32:24 PM
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cog41
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I don't think it destroys McCain's chances.
Palin's example just shows how real she is. Again, she comes from the small town America the dems despise so much, and she is sticking with her values which include her daughter and future granchild.
Not my pick for VP but i like her more already.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:45:20 PM
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solomonsprayer
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Does Palin's daughter's child make the point now that we don't know enough about her (just like with Obama)? ...
She could have other family secrets that reveal her potentially fault character.
You know the saying the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.....How did her daughter make this big mistake with Palin as parent?
Just playing a lot of devil's advocate and rabble rouser today.....I don't necessarily believe these comments per se.
I'm still undecided.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:47:51 PM
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solomonsprayer
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McCain's health concern:
I just read he suffered from melanoma.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:54:31 PM
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Jhud
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Does Palin's daughter's child make the point now that we don't know enough about her (just like with Obama)? ...
She could have other family secrets that reveal her potentially fault character.
You know the saying the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.....How did her daughter make this big mistake with Palin as parent?
Just playing a lot of devil's advocate and rabble rouser today.....I don't necessarily believe these comments per se.
I'm still undecided.
Again, the TIME magazine article makes it clear this was no secret; the entire nation simply didn't know about it until today. When, in the rollout of her candidacy she was supposed to announce it I have no idea - would it have been something like, "And she has been Mayor, Head of the Oil Conservation, fought corruption in the state, is a popular governor - and her daughter is pregnant"?
And out of five kids, why are the ones who apparently didn't make that choice ignored, and the one who did focused on? Aren't the others equally reflective of their parents?
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 6:55:59 PM
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I certainly think Palin is a daring choice - especially considering that most in this race are deep Washington insiders with which we have little hope for change in DC - but with his pick of Palin, McCain signals a desire for a completely new direction, and that is hopeful.
Barack, depsite his historic nomination from a racial perspective, is little different than Edwards or Biden from the perspective of policy and the establishment - Palin instead brings the heart of America to DC, and that is experience is the sort one could never get from DC.
Well put!
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In your opinion, how should the problem be handled?
Seems to me that the family is being very consistent with their values and faith.
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so she did not teach her VALUES to her kid?
Ok, I feel better.
I am sure she did - which is why her daughter is keeping the baby and getting married.
Anyone who would criticize or use her daughter's pregnancy as political ammunition against her is incredibly hypocritical. Any parent who thinks themselves above or too good a parent to ever find themselves in such a position is a self-righteous liar (or only has a newborn maybe).
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So has everyone pretty much brushed aside my OP about McCain choosing Palin for political expediency and strategy to court women votes....and that people will not choose McCain because if he dies (given his age), Palin would be considered/seen as too inexperienced to be Pres.?
Just making sure no one thinks or cares about that now right? ...That's all been debunked by you guys?
Yes, it's been debunked. It's a very superficial conclusion to think or to buy into the argument that her "inexperience" is a liability. She's no more inexperienced than Obama or than a lot of previous (maybe most) VP picks. The big sticking point is that she's running for VP; she may possibly someday have to step up to the Presidency if something happened to McCain (which is truly not likely) - but if that even happened by then she would have the best experience for the Presidency, the Vice Presidency! Obama, on the other hand, has the audacity to presume to ascend to the Presidency. If elected, he would be thrust into the top spot 4 months from now! With zero learning curve! The experience argument really does still favor McCain and Palin.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 7:02:15 PM
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McCain's health concern:
I just read he suffered from melanoma.
Skin cancer. Get real. If having a couple of moles removed is the biggest health threat you can find in a 72 year old man, with a family history like his (based on his mother at least), seems to me like much ado about nothing. He may have to see the dermatologist more often than any other president in history - that's about all you can make of that. In reality, McCain and Palin may be the most healthy team to ever run for the Presidency.
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Again, the TIME magazine article makes it clear this was no secret; the entire nation simply didn't know about it until today. When, in the rollout of her candidacy she was supposed to announce it I have no idea - would it have been something like, "And she has been Mayor, Head of the Oil Conservation, fought corruption in the state, is a popular governor - and her daughter is pregnant"?
I do think, however, that it was painfully obvious they waited for Gustav to hit land before they announced. At least we know McCain's got someone thinking strategically.
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RE: Palin Destroys McCain's Chance for Victory - 9/1/2008 7:18:18 PM
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Seems like the Dems don't really have much...could it be they really didn't think about a strong conservative female on the Republican ticket and how that might be hard to run against? Doesn't seem that the DEMs thought this through a lot...oh, wait a minute...is this what Hillary was concerned about...but then again she wasn't a Rock Star.
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