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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 8:12:06 AM
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dianetavegia
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Levi Johnston's mother has said that Bristol and Levi were planning to marry well before this event. She used the term 'engaged' in several interviews.
These unmarried women with no children who proclaim to have all the answers just blow my mind! You can lead a horse to water but you CANNOT make a teenager do anything or not do anything they don't want to do.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 9:01:33 AM
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If they want to, good luck. Most teen marriages fail due to lack of maturity in the couple, and money issues can be a huge thing- most teen fathers earn at or just above minimum wage on the average. I would sincerely hope that they get good marriage counseling and mentoring. They truly DO have a very difficult path, and being in the public eye is absolutely a detriment. Statistically speaking, the odds are not in their favor at all.
Speaking to the money issue only (not the relationship dynamics) - I wouldn't worry about these two kids. Alaska is probably one of the few places left where an untrained blue-collar worker can get a job and within a couple years be making some real money - be it on an oil rig, on a fishing boat, or as a truck driver. I don't know about his family, but her dad is in a union and her mom is the governor and VP nominee. They've got enough connections to keep these kids from having to live on minimum wage.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 9:08:02 AM
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If they want to, good luck. Most teen marriages fail due to lack of maturity in the couple, and money issues can be a huge thing- most teen fathers earn at or just above minimum wage on the average. I would sincerely hope that they get good marriage counseling and mentoring. They truly DO have a very difficult path, and being in the public eye is absolutely a detriment. Statistically speaking, the odds are not in their favor at all.
Speaking to the money issue only (not the relationship dynamics) - I wouldn't worry about these two kids. Alaska is probably one of the few places left where an untrained blue-collar worker can get a job and within a couple years be making some real money - be it on an oil rig, on a fishing boat, or as a truck driver. I don't know about his family, but her dad is in a union and her mom is the governor and VP nominee. They've got enough connections to keep these kids from having to live on minimum wage.
-Dan.
true, it all matters where you are from. if they were in NYC and had no big, important family, well, then the stats might be a better prediction.
if anything, it should be a beacon of reasoning for abstinence. but hey, there is always grace. live in the light of grace. (not to justify a present sin because of a future grace)...more so, seeing a miracle, God's interaction, even present in our fall.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 9:16:28 AM
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What I'm wondering is what the game plan is. Will the entire family move to Washington? Will the husband stay in Alaska to run his business? Will the older daughter marry her boyfriend & stay in Alaska? Who takes care of Trig while Sarah works 24 hours a day - right now & when she's in Washington? I just wonder if all of this has been figured out. kd
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 9:17:27 AM
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At least Franklin had the good sense to repent of his actions. And yes, he was a prodical, just like this young woman is or was. Hopefully she had repented of her actions as well.
I agree with you on this post gaylel1.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 9:52:54 AM
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What I'm wondering is what the game plan is. Will the entire family move to Washington? Will the husband stay in Alaska to run his business? Will the older daughter marry her boyfriend & stay in Alaska? Who takes care of Trig while Sarah works 24 hours a day - right now & when she's in Washington? I just wonder if all of this has been figured out. kd
She's running a state, I'm sure she's capable of working out those private details.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 10:21:06 AM
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Do you agree with Obama that getting pregnant is 'Punishment".
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No! But he is correct in wanting to leave the kids out of this mess we call politics.
Kids are kids. Good kids make bad choices and as teenagers you never know when they'll blow your expectaions of them. Just remember they're kids. In my job I question parents all the time who say"oh my ????? would never do that", Oh not my ????.. Please! They may not have done it and they might not do it. But! don't be shocked if they do. They're kids.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 10:40:05 AM
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Do you agree with Obama that getting pregnant is 'Punishment".
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No! But he is correct in wanting to leave the kids out of this mess we call politics.
Kids are kids. Good kids make bad choices and as teenagers you never know when they'll blow your expectaions of them. Just remember they're kids. In my job I question parents all the time who say"oh my ????? would never do that", Oh not my ????.. Please! They may not have done it and they might not do it. But! don't be shocked if they do. They're kids.
punishment is a relative word to the recipient. from this view, in the future it can be called grace, just as much now, it can be called a judgement's consequence because of the fall. but from this view, and any outside of being the direct object, punishment is a horrible title to call God's creation.
"Treason is a word for the winners as an excuse for hanging the losers" -Ben Franklin
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 11:05:14 AM
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At least Franklin had the good sense to repent of his actions. And yes, he was a prodical, just like this young woman is or was. Hopefully she had repented of her actions as well.
I agree with you on this post gaylel1.
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As of age 17, he had not repented.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 11:21:22 AM
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punishment is a relative word to the recipient. from this view, in the future it can be called grace, just as much now, it can be called a judgement's consequence because of the fall. but from this view, and any outside of being the direct object, punishment is a horrible title to call God's creation.
Well, your argument is with Obama,not me or RC.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 12:21:06 PM
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Why is this boy being thrown out there like it is a good thing?
They are not married.
I don't see the difference between her and Jamie Spears or any other teen for that matter.
Now this is being paraded as a good thing........... an unmarried teen pregnancy.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 12:24:43 PM
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At least Franklin had the good sense to repent of his actions. And yes, he was a prodical, just like this young woman is or was. Hopefully she had repented of her actions as well.
I agree with you on this post gaylel1.
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As of age 17, he had not repented.
Excuse me? I do not know if he has repented or not, but the couple is going to get married and raise the child.
Which seems a whole lot better than killing the child and committing a second sin to try and cover the first sin of fronication; two sins do not make a right.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 12:29:52 PM
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Why is this boy being thrown out there like it is a good thing?
Do you think it's bad that he's taking responsibility for the consequences of his previous sinful actions?
I haven't seen the actual pregnancy being paraded as a good thing. I've seen the decision to not have an abortion, and that both of them are taking responsibility for the consequences of their actions, getting married, and raising the child as being paraded as a good thing. Frankly, it IS a good thing. It's a good example to take responsibility for your actions. It's also a good thing to discuss what they did wrong, that they had to deal with those consequences. If my daughter were old enough, I'd be using it as an example of making a huge mistake (premarital sex), but taking responsibility (taking care of the resulting child).
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:10:18 PM
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I may not agree with everything Palin or any other poltician says or does ... but my thoughts go out to this entire family.
My niece was 17 when she got pregnant with her daughter, and now she is a very strong and responsible mother. I am encouraged that with all the things our society encourages, she still chose to give this baby life. "Itty Bitty Isabelle" is the joy of my family. Of course, my sister and her husband were very upset at the time ... and everybody knows that they cannot control their daughter's every action.
Same thing with Palin's daughter ... even though her mother disagrees with abortion, she could have gone to a clinic without her mother's knowledge or permisson ... instead, she is choosing to give this baby life.
As for Obama's stand on "backing off ..." we need to realize that, no matter how much we may disagree with what he says or does ... he is first off a parent of two daughters and no doubt, also realizes that he cannot control everything his daughters do. And however much people may question his Christianity, I am sure he is well aware of the principal that you "reap what you sow." So if he jumps on the bandwagon and criticizes the family members of his opponents, he knows that some day one of his own family members might do something with which he disagrees.
Nobody is responsible for anyone's actions except their own ...
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:19:41 PM
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Zhi
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What I'm wondering is what the game plan is. Will the entire family move to Washington? Will the husband stay in Alaska to run his business? Will the older daughter marry her boyfriend & stay in Alaska? Who takes care of Trig while Sarah works 24 hours a day - right now & when she's in Washington? I just wonder if all of this has been figured out. kd
Well, it's nice to know that regardless of what happens in the election, the family apparently has enough interest garnered in their private lives to get them their own reality TV show.
*eyeroll*
*sigh*
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:22:20 PM
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:22:29 PM
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punishment is a relative word to the recipient. from this view, in the future it can be called grace, just as much now, it can be called a judgement's consequence because of the fall. but from this view, and any outside of being the direct object, punishment is a horrible title to call God's creation.
Well, your argument is with Obama,not me or RC.
Exactly!!! that is where my argument is directed to. believe me, i oppose abortion to the point of working in pregnancy centers.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:25:40 PM
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At least Franklin had the good sense to repent of his actions. And yes, he was a prodical, just like this young woman is or was. Hopefully she had repented of her actions as well.
I agree with you on this post gaylel1.
Thanks
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As of age 17, he had not repented.
Excuse me? I do not know if he has repented or not, but the couple is going to get married and raise the child.
Which seems a whole lot better than killing the child and committing a second sin to try and cover the first sin of fronication; two sins do not make a right.
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I never criticised young Ms. Palin or her beau. You appareently misunderstood my post. I was actually clarifying that young Franklin was slower to grow up than Ms. Palin.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:30:21 PM
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I never criticised young Ms. Palin or her beau. You appareently misunderstood my post. I was actually clarifying that young Franklin was slower to grow up than Ms. Palin.
My mistake and my apology cow451, these VP treads are just happening too fast for this ole man I rekon.
Thanks for the correction.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:33:18 PM
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Do you think it's bad that he's taking responsibility for the consequences of his previous sinful actions?
Where did he take responsiblity? On his Myspace, which my teen nephew looked up. He said he doesnt want any kids.
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I haven't seen the actual pregnancy being paraded as a good thing. I've seen the decision to not have an abortion.
EVery pregnancy you see...is the decision not to abort.
Her swollen belly says it all.
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Frankly, it IS a good thing.
Ah... so unmarried teen pregnancy is a good thing.
ok.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:37:17 PM
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A lot of people don't think they want kids, until they find out they are having one. And that might not even have been a recent statement. God forbid I be judged by things I said when I was a teenager!
Those two kids are almost adults, and their bad decision will lead them to being adults earlier. Thankfully for them they have people who can teach them to do this.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:37:48 PM
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Ah... so unmarried teen pregnancy is a good thing.
No, babies are a good thing, taking responsibility is a good thing, and supporting those in need is a good thing - the choice that Bristol made (to have sex outside of marriage) was wrong.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:39:20 PM
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Well said, Jack.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:42:23 PM
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Where did he take responsiblity? On his Myspace, which my teen nephew looked up. He said he doesnt want any kids.
I probably still have a page floating out there somewhere on the internet where I say I never want to get married. The fact that I have not bothered to find it, and fix it, does not mean than my marriage of almost 12 years with a child and one on the way is a farce. It just means that my priorities and opinions changed and I never got around to tracking down every statement I've ever written in my entire life to correct it to reflect my present situation.
They're getting married. They're taking responsibility. Perhaps you should give him a little time to update his MySpace, given all the other stuff he has going on right now. Yikes.
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EVery pregnancy you see...is the decision not to abort.
Her swollen belly says it all.
A decision not to abort is good. A poor decision leading to getting pregnant is not. I am not sure why you have so much trouble understanding the difference.
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Ah... so unmarried teen pregnancy is a good thing.
Sinning is a bad thing, whether it's having sex when you're not married (regardless of age) or lying to your friend.
Taking responsibilities for your actions and the consequences when you sin is a good thing, whether it's not killing the baby and getting married to raise it when you end up pregnant, or apologizing to your friend and telling them the truth.
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