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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 3:12:38 PM
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gaylel1
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Yes, she's a victim, a victim because her parents like many other parents who are high profile, including the Spears and the Simpsons (Note the father of Jessica and Ashlee is a baptist preacher) who did not take the time to teach their daughters because they want to have their "careers first" instead of thinking about the family, which should have been priority #1 anyways.
Let me see if I am hearing you right. You say because a teen gets pregnant out of Wedlock. that their parents are irresponsible and have failed as parents?
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If these parents are not being examples to these kids, not listening to these kids and not being so concerned about "making money" and "having it all", they have failed at parenting because the child did not know any better because the child had poor examples as parents. It is not only in the black community, but in affluent neighborhoods too because society gives us poor role models. It is not only poor parenting, but the media is to blame too because it influence folks to behave recklessly--I mean look at the videos and other media outhere these days influencing these young people and christian young people also because people do not have a foundation these days. And then too, some daughters did not grow up without a father present because the daughters are left to fend for themselves.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 3:15:24 PM
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If these parents are not being examples to these kids, not listening to these kids and not being so concerned about "making money" and "having it all", they have failed at parenting because the child did not know any better because the child had poor examples as parents. It is not only in the black community, but in affluent neighborhoods too because society gives us poor role models. It is not only poor parenting, but the media is to blame too because it influence folks to behave recklessly--I mean look at the videos and other media outhere these days influencing these young people and christian young people also because people do not have a foundation these days. And then too, some daughters did not grow up without a father present because the daughters are left to fend for themselves.
Oh pleeeeaazzzee Gail; that post is totally unfounded speculation on your part; maybe you should go to work for the Daily Kos or some other liberal, black vicimization rag.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 3:18:23 PM
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If these parents are not being examples to these kids, not listening to these kids and not being so concerned about "making money" and "having it all", they have failed at parenting because the child did not know any better because the child had poor examples as parents. It is not only in the black community, but in affluent neighborhoods too because society gives us poor role models. It is not only poor parenting, but the media is to blame too because it influence folks to behave recklessly--I mean look at the videos and other media outhere these days influencing these young people and christian young people also because people do not have a foundation these days. And then too, some daughters did not grow up without a father present because the daughters are left to fend for themselves.
Unbelievable. Just because her kid got pregnant doesn't mean she is a bad parent. People are bombarded with sex all over the place and just like adults kids want it. It only takes once to get pregnant. excuses excuses excuses.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 3:45:05 PM
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If these parents are not being examples to these kids, not listening to these kids and not being so concerned about "making money" and "having it all", they have failed at parenting because the child did not know any better because the child had poor examples as parents. It is not only in the black community, but in affluent neighborhoods too because society gives us poor role models. It is not only poor parenting, but the media is to blame too because it influence folks to behave recklessly--I mean look at the videos and other media outhere these days influencing these young people and christian young people also because people do not have a foundation these days. And then too, some daughters did not grow up without a father present because the daughters are left to fend for themselves.
Unbelievable. Just because her kid got pregnant doesn't mean she is a bad parent. People are bombarded with sex all over the place and just like adults kids want it. It only takes once to get pregnant. excuses excuses excuses.
And, how many "Get Lucky".....and engage in that "activity" WITHOUT getting pregnant?
probably more "get lucky" than either you or I would want to know about......either today....or 50 years ago.....
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 3:52:31 PM
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f they went there, it would be exploitative, which you would, of course, decry.
I actually agree with Obama on this. Leave the kids out of this.
Teenagers are just that,teenagers,immature,dumb,inexperienced,spontaneous,
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 3:56:40 PM
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f they went there, it would be exploitative, which you would, of course, decry.
I actually agree with Obama on this. Leave the kids out of this.
Teenagers are just that,teenagers,immature,dumb,inexperienced,spontaneous,
Do you agree with Obama that getting pregnant is 'Punishment".
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 4:34:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: ...A lesser woman would have turned down the VP slot, knowing her 'Christian values' would come under fire because of her daughter's sin... Sarah Palin is not a lesser woman. I am proud, so proud, that she is our Republican VP candidate.
But isn't it also possible that "a woman who fears the LORD" might choose to turn down a position of prominence to minister in love to the children that the Lord has given to her? No little child, and few older daughters, when given the blessing of a Godly, loving mother, turn to any other person than that mother.
Sarah Palin's value will never be based on what she accomplishes here on earth; that is all wood, hay, and stubble. Her value will be based on what the Lord has done to establish her value. My prayer for her is that one day she will turn to Him to teach her to be what He wants her to be... an excellent wife to Todd, and a faithful mother to those precious children and grandchildren to come.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 4:44:31 PM
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Here is another angle no one failed to address and that is these high profile women like she, Ashlee Simpson, Jamie Lynn Spears and even the movie, "Juno" is really sending a wrong message to our young women, especially bible believing Christians and it not because of the abstinence message, but it gives these vunable young women the licence to think, "If they can do it, why can I do it too because it is ok for them."
But Bristol Palin wasn't "high profile" until the day before yesterday. She can hardly be lumped into the same category - if anything, she's as much a victim of the messaging as any other girl, pregnant or not, who's muddling through the teenage years in this culture.
Yes, she's a victim, a victim because her parents like many other parents who are high profile, including the Spears and the Simpsons (Note the father of Jessica and Ashlee is a baptist preacher) who did not take the time to teach their daughters because they want to have their "careers first" instead of thinking about the family, which should have been priority #1 anyways.
It should be a balance and apperantly, and I'm not saying that the Palins did not take time for their daughter, they are failed parents,
Is this speculation that she put her career first or do you have proof that she neglected Bristol by putting her career first? There was a time when I said most families are a 2-person working household, but I guess nowadays there are single mothers who are just shacked up. That said, how do you know she did not "teach" her daughter anything?
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 4:46:09 PM
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But isn't it also possible that "a woman who fears the LORD" might choose to turn down a position of prominence to minister in love to the children that the Lord has given to her? No little child, and few older daughters, when given the blessing of a Godly, loving mother, turn to any other person than that mother.
Sarah Palin's value will never be based on what she accomplishes here on earth; that is all wood, hay, and stubble. Her value will be based on what the Lord has done to establish her value. My prayer for her is that one day she will turn to Him to teach her to be what He wants her to be... an excellent wife to Todd, and a faithful mother to those precious children and grandchildren to come.
But who is to say, like Esther, she hasn't been chosen for this time to do just this thing? Isn't it possible her present situation could influence thousands, if not millions of young women who are in the same position if she were elevated to a position of such influence?
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 4:46:12 PM
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But isn't it also possible that "a woman who fears the LORD" might choose to turn down a position of prominence to minister in love to the children that the Lord has given to her? No little child, and few older daughters, when given the blessing of a Godly, loving mother, turn to any other person than that mother.
Sarah Palin's value will never be based on what she accomplishes here on earth; that is all wood, hay, and stubble. Her value will be based on what the Lord has done to establish her value. My prayer for her is that one day she will turn to Him to teach her to be what He wants her to be... an excellent wife to Todd, and a faithful mother to those precious children and grandchildren to come.
In His love,
Melanie
But isn't it also possible that God may want to use her to accomplish something as VP? Or that she is capable of being an excellent wife and mother at the same time as fulfilling this position?
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 5:03:45 PM
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I had a child out of wedlock & I've counseled a lot of young women in the same situation. Many will tell you the same thing, including me. I had no one to talk to through my teenage years. My mom was off trying to find herself in college & having a difficult marriage. I turned to men for attention. If a young lady finds herself not being listened to, she will find someone who will listen to her, but unfortunately there are consequences to that kind of listening. I just have to believe that w/ Sarah being so busy w/ her job, she just may have not been there when she should have been. kd
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 6:28:49 PM
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It should be a balance and apperantly, and I'm not saying that the Palins did not take time for their daughter, they are failed parents,
How judgemental is that? We are not responsible for every decision our children make especially when they become young adults.
My older daughter knows chapter and verse and all the facts. She has chosen to not live a Christian lifestyle. My other daughter knows chapter and verse and all the facts. She has chosen to be an onfire Christian.
So if we are failed parents, how exactly do you explain the second child. BTW, their is enough self induced guilt by the parents without the other Christians piling on when you have a child that has strayed. Some of you may want to keep that in mind in case you ever have a child that doesn't choose your lifestyle.
The Palins can no more MAKE their children Christians or MAKE their kids live a Godly life that you can fly to the moon! You equip your children, you pray for your children and you hope the best for your children. You don't get to make their decisions.
If this was the daughter of a male candidate, no one would point their finger and TSK, TSK him. It's because she is a conservative woman, she is not allowed to have a successful career and a loving home. I am appalled at the things being said about her by her brothers and sisters in Christ.
This child strayed, and maybe only for that one time, and hopefully now she has repented and is restored.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 8:41:50 PM
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they have failed at parenting because the child did not know any better because the child had poor examples as parents. [/font]
You mean like Franklin Graham did ? That was the reason he went astray too right? Because of Billy and Ruth not teaching him correctly?
That statement is totally illogical and unconscionable. It condems the parents judgementally, and it supposes that you know omnisciently what the child knew or didn't know as if anyone's actions is and indication of what they know.
Are you prepared to be judged by God the same way by your actions?
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 8:53:04 PM
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i do not believe that the mistakes or sins of palins 17 year old daughter should be held against palin. at what point do we finally decide to allow our children to start growing up and we stop trying to control them. granted i believe in the old way of dating, persuing, or whatever you want to call it.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 9:17:42 PM
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they have failed at parenting because the child did not know any better because the child had poor examples as parents.
You mean like Franklin Graham did ? That was the reason he went astray too right? Because of Billy and Ruth not teaching him correctly?
That statement is totally illogical and unconscionable. It condems the parents judgementally, and it supposes that you know omnisciently what the child knew or didn't know as if anyone's actions is and indication of what they know.
Are you prepared to be judged by God the same way by your actions?
At least Franklin had the good sense to repent of his actions. And yes, he was a prodical, just like this young woman is or was. Hopefully she had repented of her actions as well.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:05:10 PM
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You know this 17 year old girl has sinned. Here's a stone for you. Go ahead and take mine too, I don't need mine.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:05:46 PM
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Hm, do Bristol and the baby's father WANT to get married or are they being pressured to?
If they want to, good luck. Most teen marriages fail due to lack of maturity in the couple, and money issues can be a huge thing- most teen fathers earn at or just above minimum wage on the average. I would sincerely hope that they get good marriage counseling and mentoring. They truly DO have a very difficult path, and being in the public eye is absolutely a detriment. Statistically speaking, the odds are not in their favor at all.
If they are being pressured to get married, that in itself can be a formula for failure. I grew up in a day when alot of young couples who conceived out-of-wedlock were expected to get married, and I personally know of 2 where the groom was more or less forced into marrying the girl he got pregnant. None of these marriages were happy and none of them lasted more than a few years.
Do I have a problem with the young lady being pregnant? No. Do I blame the parents? No, because parents cannot control every waking moment of their children's lives, and teenagers are nototrious for doing stupid stuff just to prove how "grown up" they are(and we've all been teenagers ourselves). I think both Presidential and VP candidates are handling this with the utmost respect and courtesy. I would hope everyone else does too.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:16:52 PM
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Good News: GOP no credibility on the abstinence-only approach to sex ed, which effectively retires it in favor of more sound approaches that might actually work. Maybe conservatives and libs will work together toward a common goal.
Maybe....
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:22:15 PM
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Hm, do Bristol and the baby's father WANT to get married or are they being pressured to?
If they want to, good luck. Most teen marriages fail due to lack of maturity in the couple, and money issues can be a huge thing- most teen fathers earn at or just above minimum wage on the average. I would sincerely hope that they get good marriage counseling and mentoring. They truly DO have a very difficult path, and being in the public eye is absolutely a detriment. Statistically speaking, the odds are not in their favor at all.
If they are being pressured to get married, that in itself can be a formula for failure. I grew up in a day when alot of young couples who conceived out-of-wedlock were expected to get married, and I personally know of 2 where the groom was more or less forced into marrying the girl he got pregnant. None of these marriages were happy and none of them lasted more than a few years.
Do I have a problem with the young lady being pregnant? No. Do I blame the parents? No, because parents cannot control every waking moment of their children's lives, and teenagers are nototrious for doing stupid stuff just to prove how "grown up" they are(and we've all been teenagers ourselves). I think both Presidential and VP candidates are handling this with the utmost respect and courtesy. I would hope everyone else does too.
Let me say this for the record--I'm not throwing stones at this young lady at all, but some people here are under the impression that I am. Secondly, yes, she (unless the mother will support them) and he will find it difficult to find a good job because the rate for teenagers is not good, unless you are to work at Mc Donalds, which are low wage jobs that does not offer any benefits at all, except if you are in manangment status.
I understand that we cannot be with our young people 24-7, and yes, I have been a teen myself doing certian things as well.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:50:12 PM
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I think even spending any time talking about this is very hurtful to Bristol and I pray for her. I don't see why ANYONE would be so hurtful to her. Any of you who are dissing Palin or Bristol because of this - do you ever consider what it's doing to Bristol, or is your political delivery too important to you? The last thing she needs is this. I am happy she has such loving parents that obviously support her during this hard time. It's really quite disappointing to me that anyone would use this against Palin.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 1:58:48 AM
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This is sexism on parade, a double standard if there ever was one. People don't wonder if BO is a good parent because he's a senator. And there wasn't mass hysteria when Al Gore's kid was arrested on a narcotic charge.
Presidential children:
- Lincoln, TR, JFK, Carter, Clinton and GWB all had pre-adult children living in the Whitehouse. Were there others?
Lincoln would let his kids play in the public area of the WH and some people didn't like it.
TR was an unbelievable man. He was a jack of all trades, literally an expert in many fields including biology. He encouraged such interest in his kids and they brought every animal that would fit through the doors into the WH.
Ronald Reagan had a son that posed in a woman's ballet outfit.
Lincoln had at least one son that died while he was President.
JFK had a child that died while he was President.
GHWB had a son who became President and another who became Gov. of Florida.
JFK's son accidentally killed two women.
Ford's son was a cowboy who rode in the rodeo.
Nixon's daughter was married in the WH to an Eisenhower.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:16:21 AM
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Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.
But... John McCain and Sarah Palin don’t believe women have a right to choose. It’s odd for the campaign to highlight the fact that Bristol “made the decision,” and then push for policies that take away that agency.
If women shouldn’t be allowed to choose then why does McCain’s campaign think it’s important to emphasize her agency in this process? As I understand it, McCain should be totally indifferent to whether Bristol chose this course of action or was pressured into it by her mother. McCain’s view is that he should make the choice for her and for every other pregnant woman in the country.
Weird.
They don't believe she has a right to murder the child... Of course McCain's stance is a open gate, but it's not about the choice, but denying the <cough> right to commit murder... No less than a mobster has the right to murder those who get in his way or doesn't serve his purpose...
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 2:21:02 AM
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Here is another angle no one failed to address and that is these high profile women like she, Ashlee Simpson, Jamie Lynn Spears and even the movie, "Juno" is really sending a wrong message to our young women, especially bible believing Christians and it not because of the abstinence message, but it gives these vunable young women the licence to think, "If they can do it, why can I do it too because it is ok for them."
But Bristol Palin wasn't "high profile" until the day before yesterday. She can hardly be lumped into the same category - if anything, she's as much a victim of the messaging as any other girl, pregnant or not, who's muddling through the teenage years in this culture.
Yes, she's a victim, a victim because her parents like many other parents who are high profile, including the Spears and the Simpsons (Note the father of Jessica and Ashlee is a baptist preacher) who did not take the time to teach their daughters because they want to have their "careers first" instead of thinking about the family, which should have been priority #1 anyways.
It should be a balance and apperantly, and I'm not saying that the Palins did not take time for their daughter, they are failed parents,
That logic would have God has the greatest failed parent...
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/3/2008 6:47:29 AM
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My prayer for her is that one day she will turn to Him to teach her to be what He wants her to be... an excellent wife to Todd, and a faithful mother to those precious children and grandchildren to come.
In His love,
Melanie
It is absolutely infuriting for you to presume to judge her as a wife and mother. You've never even met her or any of them. I think you're wanting God to "teach her" to be the wife and mother YOU want her to be.
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I had a child out of wedlock & I've counseled a lot of young women in the same situation. Many will tell you the same thing, including me. I had no one to talk to through my teenage years. My mom was off trying to find herself in college & having a difficult marriage. I turned to men for attention. If a young lady finds herself not being listened to, she will find someone who will listen to her, but unfortunately there are consequences to that kind of listening. I just have to believe that w/ Sarah being so busy w/ her job, she just may have not been there when she should have been. kd
You can't extrapolate your anecdotal experience to a situation or people you don't know.
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