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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:22:55 AM
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csl7037
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Here is another angle no one failed to address and that is these high profile women like she, Ashlee Simpson, Jamie Lynn Spears and even the movie, "Juno" is really sending a wrong message to our young women, especially bible believing Christians and it not because of the abstinence message, but it gives these vunable young women the licence to think, "If they can do it, why can I do it too because it is ok for them."
But Bristol Palin wasn't "high profile" until the day before yesterday. She can hardly be lumped into the same category - if anything, she's as much a victim of the messaging as any other girl, pregnant or not, who's muddling through the teenage years in this culture.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:32:09 AM
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Particularly considering Obama himself was conceived out of wedlock.
By a teenage mom.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:33:52 AM
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Lynn Spears prostituted her minor children for her personal financial gain. There is no comparison between GOV. Palin and Lynn Spears.
This is really getting ridiculous. How many teens do we all know personally who have gotten pregnant? My sister did and that was after being raised by one of the most Godly women there was. When my sister was being rebellious my mother spent a lot of time praying for her to straighten up. She did when she got pregnant at 17. She got married and had my nephew 4 days before she turned 18. It wasn't easy for my sister and BIL in the beginning but they matured real fast and moved on with their lives just like many others who found themselves in similar situations.
Teen pregnancy is a fact of life today. It's been a fact of life forever. It is how people deal with it that ultimately matters. I can't imagine how empty our family would have been without my nephew in it. I know when I was a teen I did a lot of things that I knew were wrong. I'm just thankful that when I fell flat on my face I had a mother who was there for me to pick up the pieces. It appears that the Palin's are there for their daughter to get through this.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:45:33 AM
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Here is another angle no one failed to address and that is these high profile women like she, Ashlee Simpson, Jamie Lynn Spears and even the movie, "Juno" is really sending a wrong message to our young women, especially bible believing Christians and it not because of the abstinence message, but it gives these vunable young women the licence to think, "If they can do it, why can I do it too because it is ok for them."
But Bristol Palin wasn't "high profile" until the day before yesterday. She can hardly be lumped into the same category - if anything, she's as much a victim of the messaging as any other girl, pregnant or not, who's muddling through the teenage years in this culture.
Yes, she's a victim, a victim because her parents like many other parents who are high profile, including the Spears and the Simpsons (Note the father of Jessica and Ashlee is a baptist preacher) who did not take the time to teach their daughters because they want to have their "careers first" instead of thinking about the family, which should have been priority #1 anyways.
It should be a balance and apperantly, and I'm not saying that the Palins did not take time for their daughter, they are failed parents,
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:48:07 AM
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What has not been mentioned in this thread is how immensely blessed Bristol Palin is. While she made an admittedly irresponsible decision (sex before/outside of marriage, and at such a young age), she has an extensive network of support, she has believing parents who are married to each other, and she will have no need of any public aid at any time, from what I gather.
Many 17-year-old teens make the same irresponsible decision, but are then faced with the decision of giving up their child for adoption, or finding a way to raise their child as best they can. Many of these teens did not grow up in a home with both parents, married to each other. Many of them do not have the extensive network of support. Many of them rely on public aid, because their families are not “middle class” or “well to do” or whatever.
Anyone who seeks to “tar and feather” Gov. Palin or her family is absolutely wrong. There is nothing shameful in bearing the consequences of one’s own decision. Nor is there any reason to praise the initial sin that brought the young Ms. Palin to this moment in her life. But the Palins should remind us that many teens make the decision to raise a child or to give the child up for adoption, without the support of believing parents and without the financial means that God has provided the Palins.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:49:27 AM
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It should be a balance and apperantly, and I'm not saying that the Palins did not take time for their daughter, they are failed parents,
She's 17 for heaven sakes. The same age as Obama's mother when she got pregnant. Think about that for a minute. Just sayin'
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:52:33 AM
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The news has been filled with preachers, high profile and popular on this board, whose sons have not lived godly lives from start to finish. Is THAT the fault of ungodly parents?
Sin is sin. Drug use, pregnancy, sex outside marriage, pride, gossip, speeding, cheating on taxes........ All sin.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:52:39 AM
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Well, as an adult that was a product of an unplanned teen pregnancy, let me be the first to commend the Palin's on choosing life.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:57:46 AM
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Yes, she's a victim, a victim because her parents like many other parents who are high profile, including the Spears and the Simpsons (Note the father of Jessica and Ashlee is a baptist preacher) who did not take the time to teach their daughters because they want to have their "careers first" instead of thinking about the family, which should have been priority #1 anyways.
It should be a balance and apperantly, and I'm not saying that the Palins did not take time for their daughter, they are failed parents,
Her parents, again, have been "high profile" for about ten minutes! Even in her position(s) in Alaska it's not like she was thrust into the spotlight like some teen icon because her mother was the mayor! Failed parents?!? Oh my goodness - every teen that gets themselves in some sort of trouble . . . look out moms, you're a massive failure! Nevermind if she handles it responsibly, grows up from it, and goes on to lead a productive, responsible life - we, as moms are going to be failures! Wow, if that's the standard for this job of motherhood, the Vice Presidency should be a piece of cake!
All of this is beyond ridiculous! Obviously she's spent the last 17 years putting "her career first" - and we know this how exactly? There were probably people in the Governor's office worried that she was putting her family first when she was lugging this newborn around - poor woman can't win because people will always be looking to snag her whichever way she goes.
From what I've read and seen of her, I don't think she minds. By all accounts, she's a tough lady! She can take it. And if her natural skills as a leader, her quick rise to this high position, threatens some people (some women), I'm sure it's just because they know they don't have the same determination or strength that got her there. I know I don't! But at least I'm honest enough to respect it and not look for ways to tear her down.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:57:48 AM
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Lynn Spears prostituted her minor children for her personal financial gain. There is no comparison between GOV. Palin and Lynn Spears.
She could have turned the job down and stopped prostituting her daughter and her REDNECK son in law.
They jsut decided to get married yesterday.
Which means Sarah is good with a shotgun!
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:59:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: dianetavegia
The news has been filled with preachers, high profile and popular on this board, whose sons have not lived godly lives from start to finish. Is THAT the fault of ungodly parents?
Sin is sin. Drug use, pregnancy, sex outside marriage, pride, gossip, speeding, cheating on taxes........ All sin.
Franklin Graham gave his parents fits. I guess they were failed parents too.
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She could have turned the job down and stopped prostituting her daughter and her REDNECK son in law.
A bit dramatic, don't ya think? Good grief.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 12:03:41 PM
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Yes, she's a victim, a victim because her parents like many other parents who are high profile, including the Spears and the Simpsons (Note the father of Jessica and Ashlee is a baptist preacher) who did not take the time to teach their daughters because they want to have their "careers first" instead of thinking about the family, which should have been priority #1 anyways.
You simply don't know a thing about Palin's homelife. You don't know that they put their careers first or not. Just because someone is "successful" it does not mean they are not also family first types of people.
Please stop with your assumptions about these people and how they raise their children or live their life unless you have some sort of concrete information.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 12:04:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: gaylel1
Yes, she's a victim, a victim because her parents like many other parents who are high profile, including the Spears and the Simpsons (Note the father of Jessica and Ashlee is a baptist preacher) who did not take the time to teach their daughters because they want to have their "careers first" instead of thinking about the family, which should have been priority #1 anyways.
It should be a balance and apperantly, and I'm not saying that the Palins did not take time for their daughter, they are failed parents,
Her parents, again, have been "high profile" for about ten minutes! Even in her position(s) in Alaska it's not like she was thrust into the spotlight like some teen icon because her mother was the mayor! Failed parents?!? Oh my goodness - every teen that gets themselves in some sort of trouble . . . look out moms, you're a massive failure! Nevermind if she handles it responsibly, grows up from it, and goes on to lead a productive, responsible life - we, as moms are going to be failures! Wow, if that's the standard for this job of motherhood, the Vice Presidency should be a piece of cake!
All of this is beyond ridiculous! Obviously she's spent the last 17 years putting "her career first" - and we know this how exactly? There were probably people in the Governor's office worried that she was putting her family first when she was lugging this newborn around - poor woman can't win because people will always be looking to snag her whichever way she goes.
From what I've read and seen of her, I don't think she minds. By all accounts, she's a tough lady! She can take it. And if her natural skills as a leader, her quick rise to this high position, threatens some people (some women), I'm sure it's just because they know they don't have the same determination or strength that got her there. I know I don't! But at least I'm honest enough to respect it and not look for ways to tear her down.
Yes, let's hope she learn from it and becomes a responsible adult and encourage these young girls that based on her experience, you don't have to be like her, but to teach these young women there is more to life than having sexual relations at a young age and to wait out there for someone because there is the beauty of wating for that someone, not engage in sexual relationships because of society and the media is pressuring to do so because that is the "norm".
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 12:07:54 PM
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To be honest (and for the record I am an Obama supporter) I don't really think it matters that her daughter is pregnant. It is her policies that should be looked at, not the private life. In the same way, I don't really care about any politicians private life as long as they are good in their position and those choices don't break any laws. it may be repugnant, like Bill Clinton's infidelities, but those are still something that should be dealt with privately with the parties involved. Anyway, back to Bristol Palin, I think we really need to realize her daughter's feelings in this--it is hard enough being a pregnant teen without all the media spotlight. After all, this could happen to any family--conservative or liberal no matter what.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 12:11:58 PM
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I think that they have taught their daughter to handle herself with grace, to face up to consequences instead of trying to cover it all up, and that love is supposed to be unconditional.
I was an unmarried, pregnant 17 year old. My mother looked at me and said, 'You ruined my life, you should get an abortion.' In one fell swoop, she trivialized my life and the life of my child. Miss Palin's parents have clearly taken a better path through this time.
Does it strike anyone else as odd that Obama is saying if it were his daughter, he'd want her to have an abortion...but if his mother had thought the same way, he wouldn't be here to be saying such a horrible thing?
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 1:00:55 PM
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Slapping the red hand after this post but will say this, if you can't see the difference between Lynn Spears pushing her two kids to make millions off of them and the sitting Governor of Alaska having to deal with her daughter's actions then there is no reasoning with you. The two situations are nothing alike.
No differance in her pregnancey from Jamie Spears, the girl on Juno, the girls that got pregnant on purpose.
ETC.
All teenage mothers.
Ya'll want to gloss over this issue like it aint happening?
It's ok.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 1:05:44 PM
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I see the madness has spread like a bad rash onto this thread as well...
There's just no talking reasonably with some people....
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 1:25:38 PM
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In the same way, I don't really care about any politicians private life as long as they are good in their position and those choices don't break any laws. it may be repugnant, like Bill Clinton's infidelities, but those are still something that should be dealt with privately with the parties involved.
though, alot of what Bill Clinton DID WAS "breaking laws" (sexual assault, rape and sexual harrassment)....they just had enough influence to keep it from affecting his political career.....and to avoid any legal consequences....
Palin's daughter, in contrast, is entirely a private matter.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 1:34:34 PM
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I was an unmarried, pregnant 17 year old. My mother looked at me and said, 'You ruined my life, you should get an abortion.' In one fell swoop, she trivialized my life and the life of my child. Miss Palin's parents have clearly taken a better path through this time.
Does it strike anyone else as odd that Obama is saying if it were his daughter, he'd want her to have an abortion...but if his mother had thought the same way, he wouldn't be here to be saying such a horrible thing?
It has been mentioned,but I don't think the mainstream media will go there.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 2:06:40 PM
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I guess I am the liberal who has no “class” .
I must say, I am astonished to see that the good Christians in Christian forum talking so positively about teen pregnancy.
No one is doing any such thing. There is much that is positive to say about not killing a child that is the result of a teen pregnancy.
Good news: it gets more people talking about the issue.
Bad news: it is another step toward normalizing teen pregnancy. Maybe she and Jamie Lynn Spears can arrange play dates.
Good News: GOP no credibility on the abstinence-only approach to sex ed, which effectively retires it in favor of more sound approaches that might actually work. Maybe conservatives and libs will work together toward a common goal. No, I haven't smoked a single crack rock today.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 2:08:39 PM
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I was an unmarried, pregnant 17 year old. My mother looked at me and said, 'You ruined my life, you should get an abortion.' In one fell swoop, she trivialized my life and the life of my child. Miss Palin's parents have clearly taken a better path through this time.
Does it strike anyone else as odd that Obama is saying if it were his daughter, he'd want her to have an abortion...but if his mother had thought the same way, he wouldn't be here to be saying such a horrible thing?
It has been mentioned,but I don't think the mainstream media will go there.
If they went there, it would be exploitative, which you would, of course, decry.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 2:19:48 PM
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Good news: it gets more people talking about the issue.
I agree because hopefully it will make young girls think before they act in the heat of pressure and young men to keep their pants up and not give in.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 2:25:54 PM
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Yes, she's a victim, a victim because her parents like many other parents who are high profile, including the Spears and the Simpsons (Note the father of Jessica and Ashlee is a baptist preacher) who did not take the time to teach their daughters because they want to have their "careers first" instead of thinking about the family, which should have been priority #1 anyways.
Let me see if I am hearing you right. You say because a teen gets pregnant out of Wedlock. that their parents are irresponsible and have failed as parents?
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 3:00:11 PM
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Let me see if I am hearing you right. You say because a teen gets pregnant out of Wedlock. that their parents are irresponsible and have failed as parents?
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That's what some are saying, Greg.
I used to say 'not in MY family....... '
The Bible warns:
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall.
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