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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 12:55:26 AM
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Stephanos
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Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.
But... John McCain and Sarah Palin don’t believe women have a right to choose. It’s odd for the campaign to highlight the fact that Bristol “made the decision,” and then push for policies that take away that agency.
If women shouldn’t be allowed to choose then why does McCain’s campaign think it’s important to emphasize her agency in this process? As I understand it, McCain should be totally indifferent to whether Bristol chose this course of action or was pressured into it by her mother. McCain’s view is that he should make the choice for her and for every other pregnant woman in the country.
Weird.
Because Gov Palin's daughter choose the right, Godly, moral thing to do when she became pregnant. Not the wrong, ungodly, murdering choice. For the very reason that she chose LIFE is a reason to be praised. One less murder in the world. And yes, I DO think women should be prevented from murdering their children. That is not a choice they should be allowed to make. PERIOD. After all, we condemn a mother if she murders her children that are out of the womb. Why allow the same murder to to be ok if the child is still in the womb? Bristol Palin may have made a sinful mistake in having premarital sex. But she did not make another sinful mistake in aborting the child. That is a reason to praise and be happy!
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 12:56:20 AM
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I think the decision to keep the baby was as opposed to the decision to give the baby up for adoption, not to kill it. No one has proposed legislation to prohibit pregnant teens from adopting out their babies.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 1:12:54 AM
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But... John McCain and Sarah Palin don’t believe women have a right to choose. It’s odd for the campaign to highlight the fact that Bristol “made the decision,” and then push for policies that take away that agency.
If women shouldn’t be allowed to choose then why does McCain’s campaign think it’s important to emphasize her agency in this process?
Has it occured to you that he meant choose to keep the baby as opposed to put it up for adoption?
Not everyone thinks the choice is only between life and death.
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As I understand it, McCain should be totally indifferent to whether Bristol chose this course of action or was pressured into it by her mother. McCain’s view is that he should make the choice for her and for every other pregnant woman in the country.
Please, is this really how you want to pervert this issue? If abortion is a made illegal (something McCain will have nothing directly to do with) then the choice will be defined by law, as many of our choices are and should be.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 1:18:39 AM
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the_exterminator
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and what, exactly, is so bad about adoption?
i think most would agree it's a beautiful and necessary thing.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 1:20:17 AM
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Jhud
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and what, exactly, is so bad about adoption?
i think most would agree it's a beautiful and necessary thing.
No one said adoption was bad. I agree it's a beautiful thing.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 6:14:46 AM
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Good for Obama, it doesn't surprise me at all.
If only his supporters were as classy as he is.
This is the thing. I really hope Obama's being sincere and not just taking the high road because he has to. I hope he's not just going to keep his hands clean because it would be political firestorm for him to attack Palin on this personally...I hope he's not just leaving that to "underlings" and supporters to do for him. Realistically, if he things this has legs and if he thinks he can sway people by making this non-issue an issue (or having others do it for him), I think he'll do it. I really don't think any of these guys would really draw a line and not cross it if they think victory is on the other side of that line. That's just my opinion and suspicion.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 7:49:36 AM
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I am happy to see grace in this matter. Especially, since Bristol is also marrying the father.
(suppose it to be a shotgun wedding with Sarah Palin holding the gun)...just kidding...
in the end, we are fallen, but grace is all that matters, and seeing things with that view will change your life. especially, if you let Jesus live through you.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 9:26:45 AM
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In light of this news & everything else we've learned about her in the past few days, I think she needs to go home & take care of her family. The VP position is not a place where she needs to be. Not so sure she should be a governor either. kd
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 9:34:19 AM
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Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.
But... John McCain and Sarah Palin don’t believe women have a right to choose. It’s odd for the campaign to highlight the fact that Bristol “made the decision,” and then push for policies that take away that agency.
If women shouldn’t be allowed to choose then why does McCain’s campaign think it’s important to emphasize her agency in this process? As I understand it, McCain should be totally indifferent to whether Bristol chose this course of action or was pressured into it by her mother. McCain’s view is that he should make the choice for her and for every other pregnant woman in the country.
Weird.
Even though Briston may have been "punished" with a baby, I'm glad she is going to keep her baby.
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I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/348569.aspx
As for McCain, he has made statements about overturning Roe v. Wade, but that is removing powers from the federal level that shouldn't have been given in the first place (it should be a state issue rather than federal).
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 9:48:39 AM
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The only problem I see here is that if the shoe were on the other foot - surely there would be some that would fly to the attack that Obama can't possibly be a good leader if he can't keep his children from making mistakes.
I haven't fully made up my mind yet. Right now neither party seems exactly right to me. I just try to see things form both sides before I make a final decision. Neither party has convinced me yet.
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Here's the issue summed up by Palin and Obama in their own words.
"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," the parents said.
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"I don't want my daughters punished with a baby."
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 9:58:41 AM
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Man, watching ya'll right wing Christians trying to spin this is so funny!
LOL.
They just decided to get married yesterday and on his MYSpace, he says he doenst want any children and he is a redneck.
Spin that.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:04:22 AM
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Good for Obama, it doesn't surprise me at all.
If only his supporters were as classy as he is.
We're trying our best, Jack, but you can't expect us to be all that much better than those howling about Clinton 10 years after Monica.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:13:03 AM
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Jhud
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We're trying our best, Jack, but you can't expect us to be all that much better than those howling about Clinton 10 years after Monica.
Yeah, I don't know why anyone would do that - it's not like Democrats associate themselves with the Clintons anymore.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:15:56 AM
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Jhud
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Man, watching ya'll right wing Christians trying to spin this is so funny!
LOL.
They just decided to get married yesterday and on his MYSpace, he says he doenst want any children and he is a redneck.
Spin that.
Tracy, I used to think you had something useful to say, now I think you will believe anything that agrees with your rather odd point of view.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:24:17 AM
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Tracy, I used to think you had something useful to say, now I think you will believe anything that agrees with your rather odd point of view .
So you have no spin for the son in law being a redneck?
What do you got for her laughing at a cancer survivor?
Oh, blame Tracy. LOL. LOL>
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:30:53 AM
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The only problem I see here is that if the shoe were on the other foot - surely there would be some that would fly to the attack that Obama can't possibly be a good leader if he can't keep his children from making mistakes.
I haven't fully made up my mind yet. Right now neither party seems exactly right to me. I just try to see things form both sides before I make a final decision. Neither party has convinced me yet.
Blessings,
Garsy
Here's the issue summed up by Palin and Obama in their own words.
"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," the parents said.
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"I don't want my daughters punished with a baby."
BUT for me - who I vote for for president doesn't hinge wholly on just one issue. I have to take a serious look at many issues and the candidates views on many things before I make MY decision. That decision also is my decision and not one that I share with anyone.
And Kath did say this thread was NOT about the Obama's. So I'm not interested in taking this any farther. I'm glad she is not having an abortion. That I am seriously glad about! Every life is precious!
Blessings,
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:36:26 AM
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Of course we shouldn't be electing anyone based on just one issue. How the candidate handles such matters is a glimpse into how they would handle difficult situations.
It isn't out of the realm of the topic to contrast how Obama said he would handle things if one of his daughter's got pregnant from how Sarah Palin is handling the situation.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:46:15 AM
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I have a question - why is it some lefties who say a 17-year-old girl is mature enough to decide to end her pregnancy by having an abortion (without having to inform her parents of that decision), are now saying Gov. Palin's daughter isn't mature enough to decide to keep and raise her child?
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 10:49:45 AM
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Easy, because having an abortion is the immature, irresponsible way out...it take someone with a tad more substance to actually do the right thing and take responsibility for the life you have created....
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:11:52 AM
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Here is another angle no one failed to address and that is these high profile women like she, Ashlee Simpson, Jamie Lynn Spears and even the movie, "Juno" is really sending a wrong message to our young women, especially bible believing Christians and it not because of the abstinence message, but it gives these vunable young women the licence to think, "If they can do it, why can I do it too because it is ok for them."
I'm not saying all of these cases was a result of bad parenting, and I'm not saying that Palin and her husband was bad parents but someting went wrong somewhere because as parents, they are responsible to christianly educate their children in the home (Prov 3:5) and then when they grow up, they will never depart from it.
I hope that Sunday School Teachers, and others who look out for our young people, should look out more for our christian sisters and have good mentors for them.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:13:19 AM
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Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.
But... John McCain and Sarah Palin don’t believe women have a right to choose.
To keep her baby could mean not give it up for adoption. Rather she wants to marry the father and be a family. At least that how I understand "keep her baby". No one is against a mother choosing to raise her own child nor take the right away from the mother to put it up for adoption or have another family member raise it.
I think for most of us "pro life" folks that they way we veiw the term.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:17:29 AM
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Here is another angle no one failed to address and that is these high profile women like she, Ashlee Simpson, Jamie Lynn Spears and even the movie, "Juno" is really sending a wrong message to our young women, especially bible believing Christians and it not because of the abstinence message, but it gives these vunable young women the licence to think, "If they can do it, why can I do it too because it is ok for them."
I'm not saying all of these cases was a result of bad parenting, and I'm not saying that Palin and her husband was bad parents but someting went wrong somewhere because as parents, they are responsible to christianly educate their children in the home (Prov 3:5) and then when they grow up, they will never depart from it.
I hope that Sunday School Teachers, and others who look out for our young people, should look out more for our christian sisters and have good mentors for them.
How does Sarah Palin look any different from Lynn Spears?
WE should be able to tell the Christian by their fruits, right?
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:21:50 AM
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I'm not saying all of these cases was a result of bad parenting, and I'm not saying that Palin and her husband was bad parents but someting went wrong somewhere because as parents, they are responsible to christianly educate their children in the home (Prov 3:5) and then when they grow up, they will never depart from it.
You are taking a "proverb" and trying to make it an absolute truth. Read the rest of proverbs and see if it passes that same test.
Proverbs are not "absolute truths" they are wise saying that when obeyed more times than not will lead to a certain result. There is no biblical guarantee that if you do A then B will happen.
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RE: Palin's 17 year old daughter pregnant - 9/2/2008 11:21:53 AM
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I would hope that Obama's leadership team would have the sense (and CLASS) to let this one pass or they will shoot themselves in the foot.
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Particularly considering Obama himself was conceived out of wedlock.
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