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RE: Interesting thought - 9/3/2008 7:55:52 AM
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SonInMe1
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They hate us because we are arrogant and presume to know what's best for a country who survived without us for thousands of years.
We have destroyed their country trying to impose ours belief systems upon them.
I would hate a country that tried to come into the US and force their beliefs and systems upon us, all because they thought we would be better off.
We are forcing nothing upon anyone. We freed a people from a tyrant. He wasn't a muslim. They are better off and wills et up a government of their choosing.That is Iraq.
Afghanistan was a country that supported terrorism in a very direct fashion and its leaders needed ousting to protect us from terrorists. I don't think anyone disputes that.
Arrogance? No, its just being number one economically and militarily. Much of Europe is corrupt and weak and make excuses why they don't want to help us.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/3/2008 3:32:20 PM
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pstrdebi
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
Well I suppose it depends on how one views the things Bush has done and what one believes to be moral or immoral.
Personally, I believe that we are in a country now hated by other countries because of Bush's doings. We have a never ending war that had nothing to do with terrorism.
With all due respect dear sis...
Other countries have always hated us. We are the "Jewel of the Nile"... "The Black Pearl".... "The National (and Universal) Treasure".... of the world. They have hated us ever since we have begun.... and they always will. We are the most prosperous bunch of spoiled brats in the world with a Starbucks and a bank on every corner.
We all need to re-watch the 9-11 videos and remember.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/3/2008 3:58:41 PM
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zamdad
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They wouldn't be imposing their will on us because they wouldn't feel threatened by us. Every country that has ever retaliated against us has been because we made the first move. Their position is a reactionary one. Our country would do the same thing. So, I don't blame them for not desiring to have their toes stepped on.
They wouldn't? When they are teaching that all who fail to worship Allah are infidels and must be put to death, they are imposing their will. The war on terrorism is not a war of nation vs. nation as has been the pattern of history. This is a war about ideology. It does not recognize geographical boundaries. if we have made the first move, how often has our effort been to police conflicts, send aid to the hurting, etc. Again, if we are guilty of "imposing" ourselves on them, it's through the exportation of our culture. We also seem to be guilty of thinking that the rest of the world thinks in just like we do.
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I don't need to consider the thought before responding. I'm quite clear on where i stand on this issue. If it were a predominate thought process across the US, I could see how it might have been influenced by those sources. The fact is, the majority of folks, do not share my world view. That alone tells me that, too many are influenced by the drugeny of the media. Believing only what the hear or read about in the news. That information is incomplete at best.
You say you clearly know where you stand. That may be. You also say that your views don't reflect the majority. Perhaps not here on this site or within the walls of the church, but what I'm reading in your posts sounds very much like what's reported in the secular media. if you really are doing indepent research, I commend you.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/3/2008 5:18:49 PM
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deliveredarling
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You say you clearly know where you stand. That may be. You also say that your views don't reflect the majority. Perhaps not here on this site or within the walls of the church, but what I'm reading in your posts sounds very much like what's reported in the secular media. if you really are doing indepent research, I commend you.
That's actually quite surprising to me. I get furious watching the news because they only tell part of the story. The news is story and inflammatory minded. When Paris Hilton becomes more important that what's going on with our military in a war torn country, it's extremely disturbing.
I agree with the statement that it's about us expecting them to think like we do.
In regards to Islam. Their god is no more a warmongerering, Christina hating god than they deem our God to be.
If you ascribe to this train of thought, you have become guilty of falling for the propaganda to incite fear and hatred towards the muslims, to encourage the war.
People can take their holy book and pull verses completely out of context, just like people do with ours when they want to make a point.
Let's get real, our own countrymen, the atheist do it all the time when arguing. They pull out those really horrific sounding verses to "prove" that Christianity promotes hate.
And of course the Christians all know that's exactly what they are doing.
Striking fear into people because we have the power of the news is extremely unfair. To gain support for his war, the news agencies have continued to paint a nasty picture of Muslims, all in the name of safety. Yet look at what good it has done. We have fostered hate for a culture we do not understand and condemn them for our lack of understanding.
We have fostered hate, anger and fear towards a nation.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/3/2008 11:54:37 PM
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Giulia
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Clarify please---are you stating that those people who survive a natural disaster are "the truly just (in Christ) amongst it all", or that those who lose their lives, or even just their property or possessions, are NOT the "truly just (in Christ)"?
Didn't say anything about property and since I made this statement I thought about it and came to the conclusion that God made the earth and everything in it and He gave it to Adam to care for and look after. We have abused the planet so much and it is our own fault that these natural disasters happen. God will , however, intervene for one out of the million because they are just in Christ. When that doesn't happen I don't think it necessarily means anything much as God will not be tracked. His moves will never be pre-empted except for the times He makes them known to a prophet.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/5/2008 11:10:19 AM
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If you ascribe to this train of thought, you have become guilty of falling for the propaganda to incite fear and hatred towards the muslims, to encourage the war.
I find this statement interesting as, it seems, this is how wars begin. A difference of opinions becomes a "I'm right and you're wrong" issue. My responses to your posts stem from the OP where you indicated your interest was piqued by a comment that hurricane Gustav was a message by God for the Republicans and the convention. Your posts that followed indicated a disdain for the president, his policies, the war in Iraq, and everything else that's reported by the major news media. And now you say that I am guilty of falling in lockstep with the media by my line of thinking.
I am gulty of being influenced by the media. I was raised, like most kids in the 1970's and 1980's, in front of the TV. I was 18 and just out of high school when MTV hit the scene in 1981. CNN hit the scene at the same time. Even after becoming a Christian in my 20's, my thinking was shaped by the media I consumed. However, over the past several years most of the media I consume is in the form of a local Christian radio station. We finally cancelled our satellite TV so we get no TV in our home. The only time I get to watch the news is when I'm at the gym and I like to watch Fox News. So, yes, I am biased as I lean to the right.
I have not said, anywhere, that you are wrong. I have asked questions and made statements to challenge your thinking. At the same time, I like to be challenged. What I've seen in reply is not challenging, it's Clitonian.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/5/2008 11:25:29 AM
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deliveredarling
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I find this statement interesting as, it seems, this is how wars begin. A difference of opinions becomes a "I'm right and you're wrong" issue. My responses to your posts stem from the OP where you indicated your interest was piqued by a comment that hurricane Gustav was a message by God for the Republicans and the convention. Your posts that followed indicated a disdain for the president, his policies, the war in Iraq, and everything else that's reported by the major news media. And now you say that I am guilty of falling in lockstep with the media by my line of thinking.
I'm sorry for using the word "you", it wasn't intended as personally towards you, I used it in the generalized sense.
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What I've seen in reply is not challenging, it's Clitonian.
Ooooh, ouch. I did not intend to come across as an I'm right and you are wrong, at all.
I have enjoyed your thoughts being presented, because I too, like to be challenged.
I felt like I was answering the proposed questions without coming across as if you are wrong to think and believe the way that you do. I really thought I was explaining how I came to believe what I do and why.
My sincerest of apologies if I have offended you.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/5/2008 11:53:12 AM
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zamdad
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No offense taken. Seems we misunderstood each other as we possibly spoke past each other. Sometimes, in a written forum, the word *you* can be meant in a general sense but received directly. My apologies as well.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/6/2008 11:50:32 AM
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zamdad
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Ironic, isn't it, that it sounds like a feminist word? It also seems that I misspelled the word I intended. It's Clintonian. It's ironic if it sounds feminist since Bill didn't have sex with that woman and had trouble determining what the defintion of is, is. It's interesting too, that the feminists still support Bill and Hillary but seem to knock Sarah Palin. Sure does seem there is something more than gender to be considered a true feminist.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/8/2008 1:13:04 PM
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sisrev
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ORIGINAL: Giulia
On the topic again Gustav didn't turn out to be as bad as expected but Hannah is threatening now. A lot of these "natural" disasters seem to be happening in the land of the free and brave.
And every where else in the world, we just have better media coverage.
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I checked out the dictionary and etimology dictionary but couldn't find it. It sounds like a feminist word.
