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RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie - 8/29/2008 3:32:40 PM
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TorchHeart
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I actually want now to go out and talk to such people as bill as I beleive they need answers.
While that is commendable, people like Bill do not want to hear you. They are so set in their hatred that they are intentionally obtuse with the most well-meaning individuals. True Christians speak, and Bill hears the wind blowing. Very sad!
People EXACTLY like Bill? Yes, I agree with you on that WesP.
But I think that there are a number of people similar to Bill Maher who are at least willing to listen and debate and maybe even be persuaded. Maher has shown on his HBO show that he's only interested in debating with people he knows he can whip, or who his ultra-liberal audience can stomp down with background noise. But I think there are others who would actually be willing to at least listen and talk.... and getting them to do that is half the battle.
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RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie - 8/29/2008 4:14:22 PM
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. . . and God has provided us with countless pieces of evidence to varify this.
 I completely agree with you! Unfortunately, I don't think that is what you meant.
I think you meant: God has provided us with countless pieces of evidence to verify this.
Varify vt. to make different; to vary; to variegate
Verify v. to confirm the truth of
Would you accept some verification that Jesus believed that humans were on earth from the dawn of creation? In a discussion with the Pharisees (Matthew 19:3-6), Jesus quotes from both the first and second chapters of Genesis. Verse 4 includes, "He that made them at the beginning." Was Jesus uninformed?
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RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie - 8/30/2008 3:15:42 AM
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Thessa
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I really wish this had a multi-quote button!!! lol!
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Why? Because Paul was so much better than everyone else? Hardly! He was a man with problems and issues, himself. Just because he came to believe in God doesn't make his opinion more or less valid. With all due respect, I get the feeling that you believe that if somebody doesn't hold the same beliefs on God that you do (or don't believe in Him at all), they shouldn't be allowed to speak about Him. How is that a good idea??? Everyone has their opinions. Accepting that fact is the first step to being able to understand and then change them (if that is your goal).
No i do think they should speak about Him. The more the better. But not when its degrading. Not when its like this movie is going to be. Not at all. That just gives atheists more reason to not believe. And yes i wish i could change all of them but i cant. Its something i try to do online but its nothing i can do myself. God is doing the job. Im just here typing.
The fact that i am trying to change them makes the reason i dont like the thought of this movie - because that will send atheists and possibly more people that may see it and think its 'cool' not to believe, further into the depths of hell.
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Look at some of the things you wrote in response to my last post, Thessa. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but you missed the point a couple of times. I read your replies and I see a lot of "that's their problem" or "but they're wrong" as if to say that, since their thinking isn't exactly like your's, their opinion means nothing and they should immediately convert to your beliefs. Have you ever thought that some of them (not all of them) are having the same thoughts about you?
No i know you arent trying to be mean. You arent mean. But even if you were its alright. Debates can get pretty heavy at times can they not? lol
But i should say to you that i dont think they should have beliefs like mine - well okay. Yes i do. lol Im not gonna lie. But its not about me - its not about being arrogant and thinking 'well if they dont think like ME then they are lost...' its more like i wish they would believe the words of GOD. I didnt write the bible. Im not claiming to know it all and say that if a person dosent believe me they are destined to die, im not like that. But if they read the words of the bible they will see that im only saying whats in there. What GOD said. I make it a point to never quote the bible without making sure im doing it right. I dont get a verse thought in my head and hope im saying it right - i look it up. What i say about the bible to atheists is what they would see if they only opened up the bible.
And its fine with me if they have thoughts about me that are negative. It dosent bother me. And i dont want them to take just my word for it. I wish they would open the bible and see for themselves. But you will probably say to that, that many atheists have read the bible, right?
Lemme put it to you this way...i can right now pick up a handbook about how to put an engine of a car together. I can sit there and read it every day and think about it and write it down and take classes and meet others that have put one together...but if i dont have a car to put together it means NOTHING. Its just very worthless.
Thats what atheists do with the bible. They read it but they have no faith to back it up and believe its true. So its not doing them any good at all.
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1) "They must take a class on what to say because all of them always say the same thing over and over again." -- I'm sure many of them do have meetings (or classes) to support one another in their beliefs.... just like Christians do. We probably sound to them like we take classes because we say the same thing over and over, again. And they'd be right... except we call our class "church" or "worship service." And when we're there, we support one another in our beliefs by doing similar things in worship of God.
If you are right and if they do have meetings then thats even more sad. To me it is anyways. I think its mean to not only not believe in God but also go to meetings and claim it in front of not only God, but others as well.
Yes ur right - sorta. lol You knew i was gonna say something to conflict with what you said. :) ;) lol
We dont take 'classes' perse, unless you mean bible class. We go to church and thats to worship God and Jesus. We dont go there to hold meetings for hate. And to talk about how evil atheists are. You know - you go to church too. An atheist meeting i imagine would be nothing less than a meeting of hate.
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2) "But its not pointless and you know that." -- Yes, I do know that. And so do you. But THEY don't; they believe that it is pointless. Simply saying to someone that praying isn't pointless isn't going to change their mind. I hate maccaroni and cheese. My wife thinks its good. Her simply saying to me that maccaroni and cheese is good isn't going to make me stop thinking that it doesn't taste disgusting. Unless she can convince me to try it or convince me that it is good, I'm not changing my view, and vice versa.
Very true. BUT...you knew there would be a but in there somewhere. lol
One day if you got hungry enough you may look in the cabinet and there may be nothing but macaroni and cheese. Then what would you do? What would it take for you to try it? Would you have to lose almost all ur body weight before you took that first bite? Or not eat at all and have to be interveneously fed through a tube on life support?
Thats the point - - - sometimes it comes too late. They reject God and then its too late and they cant take it back. They cant die and see God and say 'wow im sorry i didnt know...' because yes they did. They just rejected the truth everyone was saying to them.
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3) "And this movie wont make a person realize they were wrong - it will make them realize they have a crowd that agrees." -- So it won't make them realize that (in your opinion) they're "wrong." What about a show like "The 10 Commandments?" Do you think they might be a little upset about that movie because it doesn't show people like us that we're wrong, and instead makes us realize that we have a crowd that agrees with us? Simply stomping out someone else's right to express a view isn't going to make them change their opinions. In fact, it probably makes their opnions stronger AND it reinforces ideas of their's that Christians are intollerant or not willing to listen to reason.... just as I'm sure you feel that atheists are intollerant and not willing to listen to reason.
No. The Ten Commandments is based on the bible. Its true. This movie isnt true. Its nothing but the opinions of a person that chooses to reject God.
And again - its okay if they think Christians are intollerant and not willing to listen to reason. Thats totally fine. They can think what they want about us (me). Because its not gonna change what God and Jesus said. No matter how much they hate us and think we are crazy and nuts and whatever else they say...its not going to change the fact that there is a God.
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Do you see where I'm coming from at all here?
Instead of looking at these people through your eyes, try looking at life (and yourself) through their's.
If i said to you that i would try to from now on see it through their eyes id be breaking a Commandment. Im VERY black and white on this issue. There is no gray. Its either one way or the other when it comes to this.
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I've got news for you... I've done stand-up comedy and I've learned that in all stand-up routines, there is some degree of truth in what the person is saying. Jim Carrey, Eddie Murphy, George Carlin, Denis Leary, Ray Romano, Bill Cosby, Bill Mahar, Ellen Degeneress,... they ALL mix some of their beliefs and opinions and thoughts in with their comedy. That's what makes some of their comedy funny. Because its real, you can related to it better. Whether its about family issues, religion, sex, dating, cars, musicians, death,... most anything... if you don't mix some reality in with it... some part of yourself that you actually believe in or hold strongly to.... chances are that you're not going to connect with your audience.
I find it interesting that, until you learned that Carlin was an atheist, you found his jokes about religion humorous. You must have seen the same things he did, or at least been able to relate to the ideas he was proposing, in order to find his material humorous. So what if he was serious about parts of it? He was conveying ideas and making light of what bothered him about religion. And THAT is why he was successful.
Yes i did think it was funny until i realized he was an atheist. I thought he was just making a statement based on something he felt was going to be funny to others. Still not a good idea, but i have a sense of humor. Thats why i thought it was funny then. For instance i like George Bush but i love to read the quotes he has made and some of the jokes about him. They are really funny. But i dont think its funny anymore when i know that Carlin was a true atheist. Because i knew then that he really believed what he was saying and was mocking God. Thats mean and evil in my opinion. He was successful before he started making fun of religion and Jesus. He didnt need to do that. Im sure he knows now what is the truth. Im sure he regrets it as well. I hope at least.
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YOU'VE GOT A GREAT HEART, THESSA. AND YOU OBVIOUSLY LOVE GOD. Those are both admirable qualities and I commend you for them. But, to use them effectively in winning hearts over to God, I personally think you need to have a little more broad view of other people. Just a thought.
Thank you very much for that. I believe you have a great heart as well the more i get to know you. I know that you and i have very different views on this, but i think that you are mainly just trying to see others points of view. And im not saying thats bad at all. Thats you. But thats not me. Im not made that way. If i were then id concede and be like 'well ur right i should really start understanding them...' but i dont understand them and never will. I hope i never will understand the non-beliefs they possess. I dont hate them. I dont wish them to hell. I wish will all my heart they would believe in God, but thats up to them. Only they can save themselves from their fate.
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RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie - 8/30/2008 3:21:39 AM
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I had a thread on this in the CE folder.
It looks to me as if Bill has gotten worse in his hatred of religion.
I had seen him on Larry King Live last week touting the movie.
Mix him with Oprah, etc and it is getting worse to me at least from Holly wood.
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RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie - 8/30/2008 3:22:07 AM
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3) I doubt I'll see the movie, because I don't like Bill Maher and I really don't care. But this does remind me a little bit about "Jesus Camp." Remember that movie? Trust me, it did not make Christians look better in the public eye and I was a bit horrified by it myself. And the point of that is that Christians need to chill and quit acting like crazies. That drives a lot of people away.
The Jesus Camp wasnt made in order for people to think they were great. It was made im sure in order to show their love for God. And its not a bad thing. I dont believe in doing some of the things they did, but no matter what they do there - they are led to God none-the-less. Thats the important thing.
Like Obamas former pastor for instance. As much as i disagree with him and what he says, he does lead people to God. Thats sometimes the ONLY good thing about what some do.
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I for one dont care what people think about me and what i say and what i dont say and if someone thinks im crazy and nuts and sadistic and whatever else people may say about my beliefs in God. I dont see how any of us could care about what others think about Christians. Who cares? We know whats right and wrong.
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RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie - 8/30/2008 3:23:18 AM
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Thessa
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I had a thread on this in the CE folder.
It looks to me as if Bill has gotten worse in his hatred of religion.
I had seen him on Larry King Live last week touting the movie.
Mix him with Oprah, etc and it is getting worse to me at least from Holly wood.
Did you see what Oprah said on one of her talk shows about 'Jesus cant be the only way?' That was a real eye-opener about her integrity. Not to mention this new age thing shes into.
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RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie - 8/30/2008 5:47:11 AM
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One more reason to not go to the movies that haven't been to see in years anyway.
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RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie - 8/30/2008 6:29:49 AM
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I watched two minutes of the clip and came to the conclusion that Bill Maher is an idiot.
He goes on to say that we are all "clueless". Saying that "unless a god told you personally what happens when you die, it all came from another person with no more mental powers than you have, and you don't know."
Quite arrogant, Billy boy. Not to mention a terrible, oh so terrible argument on his behalf. Never minding the fact that God did indeed tell us personally of where we shall go when we die, I guess that means since we all lack the mental capacity to understand that, then... we just don't know, do we? 
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