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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 9/29/2008 6:34:23 PM
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I agree that no one or nothing can separate me from God ...... EXCEPT me. I can choose to remove myself from Jesus' hand.
Why the exception? What makes you so much more powerful than the Almighty?
Its not a measure of our power vs. God's. Its the God given free will we have... we can choose to follow/listen to God or not.
As to the question of the OP - yes.
And I agree, turn your back on the true and living God, walk away from the grace bestowed upon us by the blood of Christ, and your name will be "blotted from the Book of Life".
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 9/30/2008 4:26:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: TrustingGod
I agree that no one or nothing can separate me from God ...... EXCEPT me. I can choose to remove myself from Jesus' hand.
Why the exception? What makes you so much more powerful than the Almighty?
Its not a measure of our power vs. God's. Its the God given free will we have... we can choose to follow/listen to God or not.
As to the question of the OP - yes.
And I agree, turn your back on the true and living God, walk away from the grace bestowed upon us by the blood of Christ, and your name will be "blotted from the Book of Life".
How can a person do what God Himself promises is impossible?
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 9/30/2008 5:01:55 PM
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How can a person do what God Himself promises is impossible?
Jesus promised that He would not loose one of His sheep. He did not say that they could/would never go astray.
Recall that Judas was called (chosen), but he chose to betry the Son of Man for silver.
"Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" (John 6:70)
also recall the tale of the the "Rich Young Man":
17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'[d]"
20"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."
21Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
22At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
~mark 10:17-22
the man obviously recognized Jesus as an authority on salvation, he knew he was lacking something... yet he chose not to follow the advice given to him.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 9/30/2008 5:39:21 PM
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So I can choose to walk away from God and He will say, "Oh dear! I never expected you to do that or I wouldn't have made those silly promises. How foolish of me!"
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 9/30/2008 7:08:20 PM
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So I can choose to walk away from God and He will say, "Oh dear! I never expected you to do that or I wouldn't have made those silly promises. How foolish of me!"
I doubt God would ever say "I never expected that" about anything. Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him. As it was said about Judas - it would have been better for him to have never been born - (don't remember the exact NT scripture off hand). God has given us his word, if we chose to ignore it we will be twice dead.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/1/2008 6:19:41 PM
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Where is the verse that says Judas was chosen for salvation? I can only find that he was chosen to be a disciple. I somehow missed the part about him being saved.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/1/2008 7:04:21 PM
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Where is the verse that says Judas was chosen for salvation? I can only find that he was chosen to be a disciple. I somehow missed the part about him being saved.
I don't believe she said anything about Judas being "chosen for salvation". And I have noticed there is a lot of stuff you've missed! Just another example of distorting someone's words for personal satisfaction. There seems to be a lot of members of the "Church of Feel-Good" in here who slay the Bible in an attempt to justify their own flawed translation of God's inerrant and infallible word. Let's see... "Because I put my sin aside, temporarily, to allow the Son of God into my horrid life, I can go back to that life of debauchery and not have to worry about my salvation, or any kind of eternal punishment... like burning in hell or falling under God's wrath... whew!" Distorting God's Word is the same as creating your own God! "My God loves me! He would never let anything happen to me, no matter how poorly I treat Him or His Son".
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/1/2008 8:02:51 PM
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Where is the verse that says Judas was chosen for salvation? I can only find that he was chosen to be a disciple. I somehow missed the part about him being saved.
Judas was chosen to be a disciple of Jesus. To travel with him and help him further the kingdom of God. He was taught and was witness to the ways of Jesus and an intimate witness of the life we are expected to strive to live - the life Jesus told us to live. However, Judas still harbored in his heart selfishness that allowed his betrayal of Jesus. Jesus died for all of our sins so that we may all have (the chance of) eternal life. Judas was covered by this gracious act, but because of his wickedness that manifested through his deeds he was eternally damned. Had Judas not betrayed Jesus and continued to walk with him he would have been saved by the sacrifice of Jesus, would he not?
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 11:11:33 AM
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So what does the following statement have to do with this discussion?
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Jesus promised that He would not loose one of His sheep. He did not say that they could/would never go astray.
Recall that Judas was called (chosen), but he chose to betry the Son of Man for silver.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 12:00:37 PM
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So what does the following statement have to do with this discussion?
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Jesus promised that He would not loose one of His sheep. He did not say that they could/would never go astray.
Recall that Judas was called (chosen), but he chose to betry the Son of Man for silver.
It was part of a longer response to a question I was responding to... do you suppose Judas was saved too or something? Is that your objection to the statement?
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 3:14:49 PM
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So what does the following statement have to do with this discussion?
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Jesus promised that He would not loose one of His sheep. He did not say that they could/would never go astray.
Recall that Judas was called (chosen), but he chose to betry the Son of Man for silver.
It was part of a longer response to a question I was responding to... do you suppose Judas was saved too or something? Is that your objection to the statement?
No, I do not suppose Judas was saved, but it certainly appeared that you were saying that he was chosen for salvation and decided to walk away. Did I misinterpret your post?
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 3:23:05 PM
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Had Judas not betrayed Jesus and continued to walk with him he would have been saved by the sacrifice of Jesus, would he not?
No. He was never chosen for salvation. Jesus referred to Judas as the "the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." (John 17:12) That Scripture which needed to be fulfilled was written hundreds of years earlier.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 4:35:33 PM
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No, I do not suppose Judas was saved, but it certainly appeared that you were saying that he was chosen for salvation and decided to walk away. Did I misinterpret your post?
I'm saying that I can see where one could make a case that Hebrews 6:3-6 could fit the case of Judas. One who was righteous (and therefore saved), but fell away (lost his righteousness and therefore his salvation) and cannot be restored.
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No. He was never chosen for salvation. Jesus referred to Judas as the "the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." (John 17:12) That Scripture which needed to be fulfilled was written hundreds of years earlier.
John 17:12 takes place after John 13:26-27 which states "Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him."
So, it would follow that after satan entered Judas he would be referred to as son of perdition.
Also of note, many bible translations of this verse do not refer to Judas as the son of perdition, they simply refer to him as the one headed for destruction.
The AMP brackets the following after the phrase "son of perdition" - [Judas Iscariot--the one who is now doomed to destruction, destined to be lost]. Notice use of the phrase "is now".
All in all if you are one who makes a case that Judas was once righteous and then fell away the Revalations verse (3:5) could be said to apply to him - which would imply that his name was at one time in the book of life.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 4:52:26 PM
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In spite of all that, it was written hundreds of years earlier in the scriptures. Yes, from mankind's point of view, it happened all in the here-and-now, but Jesus tells us it was foreknown.
Be that as it may, there is NO evidence that Judas was saved.
I asked a question and you responded with the hypothetical and unsupported example of Judas:
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How can a person do what God Himself promises is impossible?
Jesus promised that He would not loose one of His sheep. He did not say that they could/would never go astray.
Recall that Judas was called (chosen), but he chose to betry the Son of Man for silver.
"Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" (John 6:70)
Jesus promised He would not lose one of His sheep. They might stray, but He promised he would not lose them. If you are one of His sheep. He Promises he will not lose you.
Did I mention that it was an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God who made this promise?
Omnipotent -- You CANNOT overpower Him.
Omniscient -- He knows every action you will take. (BTW -- He is not so stupid as to make a promise to keep you if He knows you will fall away. Let's not insult God.)
Omnipresent -- You can go NOWHERE away from His presence. You are always in His loving hand, under His watchful eyes.
I ask again, how can a person do what God Himself promises is impossible?
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 5:18:29 PM
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I like to pose questions to people and present situations or ideas in order to get their thoughts and perspectives and dig deeper into them and why they think something. It’s a good way to learn about people and yourself. I respect your opinions and agree with much of what you have said. I hope I do not come off as attacking your position or trying to disrespect you in some way.
I too believe that God knows his true sheep and they know him. (I also believe that there are wolves among the flock that are under the mistaken impression that they are sheep.) God knows who they are from the moment they were created because He is all the things you said; omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
As to whether or not any of these wolves were ever in the book of life I’m smart enough to know that there is only One who knows the true answer to that question. What we do know is that scripture allows for the blotting out of names from the book of life. Who are those who are blotted out and why? I guess we’ll all find out. It’s also clear from a few passages that righteous men fall away and cannot be redeemed. What the exact circumstances and criteria to that are, we’ll also find out one day.
I hope my posts didn’t annoy you too bad.
***Your friendly neighborhood devil’s advocate signing off.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 6:56:09 PM
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I like to pose questions to people and present situations or ideas in order to get their thoughts and perspectives and dig deeper into them and why they think something. It’s a good way to learn about people and yourself. I respect your opinions and agree with much of what you have said. I hope I do not come off as attacking your position or trying to disrespect you in some way.
It is not a matter of respect, but truth. Do not fall into the modern mythology that there can be contradicting truths. If God declares something to be true, it is not true because we choose to believe it. It is true because God revealed it.
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I too believe that God knows his true sheep and they know him. (I also believe that there are wolves among the flock that are under the mistaken impression that they are sheep.) God knows who they are from the moment they were created because He is all the things you said; omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
As to whether or not any of these wolves were ever in the book of life I’m smart enough to know that there is only One who knows the true answer to that question.
That is one truth God tells us. They are NOT in the Book of Life and never were.
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What we do know is that scripture allows for the blotting out of names from the book of life. Who are those who are blotted out and why? I guess we’ll all find out. It’s also clear from a few passages that righteous men fall away and cannot be redeemed. What the exact circumstances and criteria to that are, we’ll also find out one day.
Here are the exact circumstances: They appeared righteous from the human point of view, not God's, and were never written in the Book of Life or were clothed in the righteousness of Christ.
It does not take anything but common sense to figure this out, and since it is revealed by God, we do not have to fall behind a false mask of humility to avoid the accusation of presumption.
You might be playing devil's advocate, but there are many here who believe exactly as you posted and cannot accept the freedom and joy of knowing that they have been forgiven and are eternally secure in the loving arms of God.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 7:24:38 PM
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Here are the exact circumstances: They appeared righteous from the human point of view, not God's, and were never written in the Book of Life or were clothed in the righteousness of Christ.
I would agree that they only appeared righteous to the human point of view.
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It does not take anything but common sense to figure this out, and since it is revealed by God, we do not have to fall behind a false mask of humility to avoid the accusation of presumption.
I haven't yet discovered/decided the meaning of the passage about blotting someone's name out of the book of life. I don't think its a false sense of humility for me to admit that I don't know what I think about that passage at this point in time. I am still learning and probably will be for the rest of my life. I will never know it all. There's nothing false about that statement either.
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You might be playing devil's advocate, but there are many here who believe exactly as you posted and cannot accept the freedom and joy of knowing that they have been forgiven and are eternally secure in the loving arms of God.
Perhaps their point of view isn't nearly as simple as you've made it.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/3/2008 7:26:22 PM
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Here are the exact circumstances: They appeared righteous from the human point of view, not God's, and were never written in the Book of Life or were clothed in the righteousness of Christ.
I wish I were sure of the exact circumstances, as I was not there. It's not as easy as wishing it away. Jesus, as the Lamb of God, by His atoning sacrifice, took away the sin of the world. The sin of all mankind, past, present and future. That Lamb was foreordained to be slain before the foundation of the world, therefore every man that would ever live, was written in the Lamb's book of life. To remain, one must overcome, one overcomes by the blood of Jesus and the word of their testimony. Those who sin through an obstinate self-willed refusal to acknowledge and confess Jesus as LORD of salvation, refuse that salvation. By that refusal they blaspheme the grace and Spirit of God. That sin is unforgivable, for there is no other payment for sin. "But the LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book." (Exodus 32:33) "The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels." (Revelation 3:5) The classic... "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God". (John 3:16-18) Furthermore, those who willingly bow to the deception of a false Christ will, by their action, show themselves not to be written in that book.
I am positive the discussion will now devolve into an OT/NT separation. So, on that note...
In Rev 3:5 we have a litotes expressing that, surely those who overcome shall not only NOT be erased from the Book of Life - a negative exaggerated expression signifying the opposite: "surely you are saved" - but Jesus Himself will confess his name before the Father and the angels. Thus we have rewards in view for overcoming, and not salvation. Notice that there is a finality to being blotted out signifying irreversible eternal condemnation unto the Lake of Fire.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/9/2008 5:32:31 AM
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Jesus promised that He would not loose one of His sheep. He did not say that they could/would never go astray.
Recall that Judas was called (chosen), but he chose to betry the Son of Man for silver.
"Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" (John 6:70)
also recall the tale of the the "Rich Young Man":
17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'[d]"
20"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."
21Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
22At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
~mark 10:17-22
the man obviously recognized Jesus as an authority on salvation, he knew he was lacking something... yet he chose not to follow the advice given to him.
I agree with Doug on this one. There is no indication that Judas was ever saved. He was used for God's purposes just like many have before him. At some point during their lives even the Apostles had to make the choice to trust in Jesus. Judas obviously never did.
As far as your example of the rich young ruler, it really has no bearing on the OP's question. The rich young ruler had never trusted in Christ in the first place. Jesus, by asking him that question, showed everyone that the rich man had an idol in place in his life (wealth which he clearly put as a higher priority in his life than Jesus).
The OP's question deals with eternal security and if a person who has sincerely trusted in Christ for their salvation can lose it. Jesus tells us many times that we will not lose it. You limit God's power if you think you will change his mind which we can clearly not do. God does not change.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/9/2008 12:37:56 PM
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Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life?
Just a thought on backsliding and the Book Of Life.
Absolutely not. We can debate all we want on whether someone who has said the sinners prayer and asked Christ into their lives but never shows any evidence of being transformed is saved or not.
Once someones name is in the Book of Life they are truly saved, and once truly saved our eternal destiny is secure.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/11/2008 8:10:06 AM
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hi, i dont think so. not if you come to god with all your heart and ask him to forgive you. its never to late. nettie
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/14/2008 11:01:52 AM
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Where is the verse that says Judas was chosen for salvation? I can only find that he was chosen to be a disciple. I somehow missed the part about him being saved.
I don't believe she said anything about Judas being "chosen for salvation". And I have noticed there is a lot of stuff you've missed! Just another example of distorting someone's words for personal satisfaction. There seems to be a lot of members of the "Church of Feel-Good" in here who slay the Bible in an attempt to justify their own flawed translation of God's inerrant and infallible word. Let's see... "Because I put my sin aside, temporarily, to allow the Son of God into my horrid life, I can go back to that life of debauchery and not have to worry about my salvation, or any kind of eternal punishment... like burning in hell or falling under God's wrath... whew!" Distorting God's Word is the same as creating your own God! "My God loves me! He would never let anything happen to me, no matter how poorly I treat Him or His Son".
Great post... We all sin from time to time. We do not have to but i find that from time to time, if I allow the flesh to get the upper hand, I fall into some sin. Sometimes it get's hard and I really struggle to get free but as soon as I come to myself, I get up and repent and find that my God is still there and still loves me. He does not leave me because I fail. However, if I were to completely give up and no longer repent I would have a great fear when looking into the vastness of eternity.
I must see to my walk with the Lord. I must both enter at the narrow gate and walk on the narrow path...
We see the wide way being taught today in many churches who want be inclusive but Christianity is exclusive. Paul taught that we must strive, we must run, we must watch, we must keep our flesh under our feet. There is a reason for this. If we do not keep our flesh under our feet indwelling sin will rise up and take control. We are required to walk in the Spirit.
Only those who are drawn by the Father can come to the Jesus, not anyone who "chooses to come". John 6:44
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/14/2008 11:07:06 AM
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jbow
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However, Judas still harbored in his heart selfishness that allowed his betrayal of Jesus.
So did Peter...
However, the Lord chose to save Peter and not Judas. He told Peter what to do when he was converted. He told Judas to do quickly what he had to do...
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/14/2008 3:12:28 PM
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SamsonUSA
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ORIGINAL: DougHorton
Where is the verse that says Judas was chosen for salvation? I can only find that he was chosen to be a disciple. I somehow missed the part about him being saved.
You didn't miss it Doug. Judas wasn't saved.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/14/2008 9:19:43 PM
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jbow
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Where is the verse that says Judas was chosen for salvation? I can only find that he was chosen to be a disciple. I somehow missed the part about him being saved.
You didn't miss it Doug. Judas wasn't saved.
I'm not saying Judas was saved but just to be clear.. where is the verse that says any of the others were saved? That verse would have to be in the time frame before Judas' death to be a valid comparison. We know that they were... but I think there is a hole in this argument.
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