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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/28/2008 11:23:45 PM
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Don't forget the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" that Pelosi, Obama and other prominent Democrats want to institute.
Obama has been on record opposing the fairness doctrine. Pelosi has supported it. So far, no one has introduced a bill. 
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/28/2008 11:55:38 PM
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I have been involved with politics for over twenty years, and I don't know of a single instance where a Presidential campaign, Democratic or Republican, tried to shut down a radio broadcast - this is over the top, and undermines the the notion that the left is a conservator of basic liberties.
I haven't heard of anything so ludicrous since the 1970's and Watergate. : /
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 2:01:14 AM
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Being old enough to have to be desegrated by force in my Jr high school years,
Alive when King was here, etc.
These are the worst years. No one will jack up the country more than Bush, See the numbers we have are what Bush says,
This economy is propped up by bandaids and lies.
The Dow Jones itself has been sold, even they know that its no good without companies and stocks of companies to have a dow jones to report on.
I don't blame them though, get out while you can. 
# Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
# Oppressive, dictatorial control.
WEll shoot if that is the meaning America was always facist. LOL
What would be new?
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 3:22:09 AM
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Obama has been on record opposing the fairness doctrine. Pelosi has supported it. So far, no one has introduced a bill.
No one has introduced a bill because Bush would veto it, and Obama's reported view is this:
"I hope Congress gets to work right away on reestablishing the Fairness Doctrine with the FCC. There needs to be balance on the airwaves again on radio as well as TV and cable"
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 6:05:25 AM
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If I don't mind saying, when we say signs of fascism, are we going by the traditional methods of definition, or the more recent, Jonah Goldberg version? 
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 8:30:21 AM
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Could anything be worse than the Carter years? Yes I fear you're right about the Obamessiah.
The problem is the Carter years were over thirty years ago. The twenty-somethings and the thirty-somethings in the tank for the Messiah didn't live through or remember the times of double-digit inflation, interest rates, and unemployement.
One advantage Obama would have over Carter is that the economy today is far, far better than it was in 1977 when Carter took office. The problems with inflation had already begun while Ford was still president.
If Obama becomes president and the economy tanks, it only means he is a bigger dufus than Jimmy. 
Your namesake, Dubya, can be added to that list of President's who have mismanaged the economy. Or am I mistaken and there is no "financial crisis"? Unemployment and inflation aren't going up? People aren't losing their homes?
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 8:46:03 AM
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Could anything be worse than the Carter years? Yes I fear you're right about the Obamessiah.
The problem is the Carter years were over thirty years ago. The twenty-somethings and the thirty-somethings in the tank for the Messiah didn't live through or remember the times of double-digit inflation, interest rates, and unemployement.
One advantage Obama would have over Carter is that the economy today is far, far better than it was in 1977 when Carter took office. The problems with inflation had already begun while Ford was still president.
If Obama becomes president and the economy tanks, it only means he is a bigger dufus than Jimmy.
Your namesake, Dubya, can be added to that list of President's who have mismanaged the economy. Or am I mistaken and there is no "financial crisis"? Unemployment and inflation aren't going up? People aren't losing their homes?
There is no doubt that the economy is going through a tough time, relative to recent years. But to say there is a recession is incorrect (I know you did not say that) but the Democrats have been using that word for most of this administration and the only time it has been true was the first year of the administration, inherited from guess who?
Unemployment is still near historic lows even though early this year there was a slight uptick. Exactly what is the main cause of inflation? I would say the biggest factor is oil prices. This president, and NO president has direct control over that. The only policy measures the government has is whether or not to allow additional exploration and production on government leases. In the first year of this administration, an energy bill including allowing drilling and production in ANWAR was rejected by Congress. If it had passed, we would be very close to producing that oil right now, prices would be lower, and inflation would not be as big an issue.
The "mortgage crisis" was basically caused by law pushed through Congress by the Democrats which allowed for lower income families to buy their own homes. A laudable idea but unfortunately it relied on ARMs which increase interest rates in subsequent years making payment next to impossible for marginal borrowers. That was not President Bush's idea!
Back to the post of mine you have a problem with...
the fact is that when Carter took office unemployment was much higher than it is today AND inflation was becoming a real concern. 30 year mortgage rates were approaching 8-9% (eventually went up to around 15-18%). My point was, in a way, a defense of Carter in that he really did inherit a problem which is nothing compared to what Obama might inherit.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 8:47:22 AM
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Here's how some Republicans lied about each other!
Dude, lots of politicians might lie, that is a given - I am looking for examples of Presidential campaigns coordinating the shut down of a radio broadcast. Got any?
Now did they try or succeed because you're speaking in the past tense.
Here's one example.
Also, a call to action must be followed by people doing what they ask. Or was Barak holding a gun to the head of his followers and forcing them to call. THAT would have been fascist. And since when is airing one's opinion un-American?
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 8:52:34 AM
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Here's how some Republicans lied about each other!
Dude, lots of politicians might lie, that is a given - I am looking for examples of Presidential campaigns coordinating the shut down of a radio broadcast. Got any?
Now did they try or succeed because you're speaking in the past tense.
Here's one example.
Also, a call to action must be followed by people doing what they ask. Or was Barak holding a gun to the head of his followers and forcing them to call. THAT would have been fascist. And since when is airing one's opinion un-American?
Airing one's opinions is not un-American.
Trying to prevent someone else from airing their's is un-American. A gun to the head does not need to be involved. Mob action worked pretty well for Hitler.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 9:23:59 AM
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HERE is the latest example of Obama and his attempts to squash free speech.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 9:48:24 AM
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HERE is the latest example of Obama and his attempts to squash free speech.
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Never mind the unrepentant domestic terrorist behind the curtain, there is nothing to see here, move along.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 9:54:52 AM
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Jhud
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Now did they try or succeed because you're speaking in the past tense.
Here's one example.
Also, a call to action must be followed by people doing what they ask. Or was Barak holding a gun to the head of his followers and forcing them to call. THAT would have been fascist. And since when is airing one's opinion un-American?
Maybe you didn't read the criteria - a Presidential campaign coordinating the shut down of a radio broadcast. The example you gave was a single state legislator in Florida questioning the public funding of local station because of it's partisan programming.
The fact that you have been trying for two days and have failed completely to find a single example tells us how unprecedented Obama's move was.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 10:00:14 AM
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Being old enough to have to be desegrated by force in my Jr high school years,
Alive when King was here, etc.
These are the worst years. No one will jack up the country more than Bush, See the numbers we have are what Bush says,
This economy is propped up by bandaids and lies.
The Dow Jones itself has been sold, even they know that its no good without companies and stocks of companies to have a dow jones to report on.
I don't blame them though, get out while you can.
# Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
# Oppressive, dictatorial control.
WEll shoot if that is the meaning America was always facist. LOL
What would be new?
Tracydolls-
You're either too overdramatic, or you always bring things back to you're day in day out negativity.
And thats your problem. You're constantly mad and moreso even hateful about things. You are not educated on a wide variety of issues and your logic is based off of conjecture and emotionalism.
Fascism has been alive and well throughout the world in all of history. Do you think Barrack Obama is going to change that suddenly?
He is the embodiment of facism if there ever was one!
His dirty business deals, his rhetoric of silencing certain segments of society for the 'good' of the rest. Wanting to take money from others and give it to those who are deemed 'worthy'. Yet he claims to be some savior to us all and some guarder of liberty. Problem is, it's a certain type of liberty he guards, while he oppresses the rest. SO, guess there isn't much difference there!!!
How about I just tell the truth....
His views on work and money and gratitutde are sinful. He is a greedy sloth who wants 'stuff' so he can get revenge on others. He supports certain groups of people being able to do nothing and get paid for it. He's basically getting elected b/c we have sheep in this country who follow a social code and believe that we should have a black president just because we haven't had one yet. Not based on his ideas or policies or character, rather just b/c he's young and black.
He says he wants people to work hard, but then he wants to penalize you if you work too hard.
You are blinded by your own biases tracy and it shows throughout every post you make.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 11:00:16 AM
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Obama has been on record opposing the fairness doctrine. Pelosi has supported it. So far, no one has introduced a bill.
No one has introduced a bill because Bush would veto it, and Obama's reported view is this:
"I hope Congress gets to work right away on reestablishing the Fairness Doctrine with the FCC. There needs to be balance on the airwaves again on radio as well as TV and cable"
This is the most recent statement from his campaign:
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"Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,"
Found here.
I think it is pretty silly to worry about it at this point.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/29/2008 11:10:19 AM
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Obama has been on record opposing the fairness doctrine. Pelosi has supported it. So far, no one has introduced a bill.
No one has introduced a bill because Bush would veto it, and Obama's reported view is this:
"I hope Congress gets to work right away on reestablishing the Fairness Doctrine with the FCC. There needs to be balance on the airwaves again on radio as well as TV and cable"
This is the most recent statement from his campaign:
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"Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,"
Found here.
I think it is pretty silly to worry about it at this point.
So basically, even in his very short political career, he can't make up his mind. That is really comforting.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/30/2008 2:40:07 AM
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Tracydolls-
You're either too overdramatic, or you always bring things back to you're day in day out negativity.
The truth can be negative depending on how ya look at it. Me I'm happy, hoping the Lord comes soon. I'm laughing alot these days. LOL.
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And thats your problem. You're constantly mad and moreso even hateful about things. You are not educated on a wide variety of issues and your logic is based off of conjecture and emotionalism.
College degree from the U of MN. And well versed on alot of issues, I would say you and WHOLE lot of folks on here are not only not college educated, but don't know the Bibles. Don't know simple history. things that should have been learned before Kindergarten.
Seen alot of examples of it. You should read before you let your EMOTIONS jump out.
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Fascism has been alive and well throughout the world in all of history. Do you think Barrack Obama is going to change that suddenly?
No I believe BO is gonna change the world.
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He is the embodiment of facism if there ever was one!
Can you show me where I mentioned Bo in this thread, you own bias shows that you believe that I am a supporter simply because I'm black. Again you should read some things before posting blindly, angerily. You automatically ASS*U*MED* I'm with Bo, I didnt even mention him.
HUM......very telling about you! Would'nt you agree?
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His dirty business deals, his rhetoric of silencing certain segments of society for the 'good' of the rest. Wanting to take money from others and give it to those who are deemed 'worthy'. Yet he claims to be some savior to us all and some guarder of liberty. Problem is, it's a certain type of liberty he guards, while he oppresses the rest. SO, guess there isn't much difference there!!!
Sounds like most of American History, opressive, etc.
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How about I just tell the truth....
Do you knows the truth?
Jesus is coming back for us.
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His views on work and money and gratitutde are sinful. He is a greedy sloth who wants 'stuff' so he can get revenge on others. He supports certain groups of people being able to do nothing and get paid for it. He's basically getting elected b/c we have sheep in this country who follow a social code and believe that we should have a black president just because we haven't had one yet. Not based on his ideas or policies or character, rather just b/c he's young and black.
WEll we picked the last one just because he was white, so why not?
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He says he wants people to work hard, but then he wants to penalize you if you work too hard.
Any links to back it up? Can u show me where he said that?
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You are blinded by your own biases tracy and it shows throughout every post you make.
Click on my name and read last 100, do this everyday, so you don't miss any.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/30/2008 8:12:25 AM
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Obama has been on record opposing the fairness doctrine. Pelosi has supported it. So far, no one has introduced a bill.
No one has introduced a bill because Bush would veto it, and Obama's reported view is this:
"I hope Congress gets to work right away on reestablishing the Fairness Doctrine with the FCC. There needs to be balance on the airwaves again on radio as well as TV and cable"
This is the most recent statement from his campaign:
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"Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,"
Found here.
I think it is pretty silly to worry about it at this point.
Unfortunately, his actions with the WGN thing pretty much say the opposite.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/31/2008 11:40:04 AM
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Are these signs of fascism from the political left?
An ABC reporter is arrested on public property because he was taking pictures of Democrat senators meeting with special interest groups and lobbyists.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622
Equally disturbing - Obama campaign launched a major assault on the media by stifling a legitimate investigation of his ties to unrepentant 60s radical William Ayers.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmUwOTllNmMzZDNlMTljMGFmY2JkZTllYmQyOTY0ODY=
This kind of behavior, no matter which party engages in it, is extremely dangerous. More worrisome with the left, however, because they support this "fairness doctrine"...which is nothing more than a dictatorship over the media which they desperately want. Everyone should be alarmed by this as it is an assault on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. And people want this man to run the country?
Wait, if you think that's fascistic, what's this?
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/30/report-massive-warra.html
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Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com reports that protesters in Minneapolis, where the Republican National Convention will soon begin, have been subjected to massive, pre-emptive police raids. Those arrested include members of Food not Bombs, and a group calling itself the "RNC Welcoming Committee," and a group that uses video to protect civil liberties by documenting police activity at first amendment events.
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They have been targeted by a series of highly intimidating, sweeping police raids across the city, involving teams of 25-30 officers in riot gear, with semi-automatic weapons drawn, entering homes of those suspected of planning protests, handcuffing and forcing them to lay on the floor, while law enforcement officers searched the homes, seizing computers, journals, and political pamphlets. Last night, members of the St. Paul police department and the Ramsey County sheriff's department handcuffed, photographed and detained dozens of people meeting at a public venue to plan a demonstration, charging them with no crime other than "fire code violations," and early this morning, the Sheriff's department sent teams of officers into at least four Minneapolis area homes where suspected protesters were staying.
Jane Hamsher and I were at two of those homes this morning -- one which had just been raided and one which was in the process of being raided. Each of the raided houses is known by neighbors as a "hippie house," where 5-10 college-aged individuals live in a communal setting, and everyone we spoke with said that there had never been any problems of any kind in those houses, that they were filled with "peaceful kids" who are politically active but entirely unthreatening and friendly. Posted below is the video of the scene, including various interviews, which convey a very clear sense of what is actually going on here.
In the house that had just been raided, those inside described how a team of roughly 25 officers had barged into their homes with masks and black swat gear, holding large semi-automatic rifles, and ordered them to lie on the floor, where they were handcuffed and ordered not to move. The officers refused to state why they were there and, until the very end, refused to show whether they had a search warrant. They were forced to remain on the floor for 45 minutes while the officers took away the laptops, computers, individual journals, and political materials kept in the house. One of the individuals renting the house, an 18-year-old woman, was extremely shaken as she and others described how the officers were deliberately making intimidating statements such as "Do you have Terminator ready?" as they lay on the floor in handcuffs. The 10 or so individuals in the house all said that though they found the experience very jarring, they still intended to protest against the GOP Convention, and several said that being subjected to raids of that sort made them more emboldened than ever to do so.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/31/2008 8:22:49 PM
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Jhud
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I think it is pretty silly to worry about it at this point.
Actually there is no denial from Obama there, simply his typical answer that:
He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having...
He says that in response to a lot of issues. I wonder though, if we aren't to worry about it 'at this point' - when exactly should it become a concern?
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/31/2008 8:24:33 PM
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Jhud
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Wait, if you think that's fascistic, what's this?
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/30/report-massive-warra.html
The actions of a Democratic Mayor?
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/31/2008 8:53:41 PM
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Wait, if you think that's fascistic, what's this?
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/30/report-massive-warra.html
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I have followed some of the posts on Boing Boing through the last election. Fascism seems to be their battle cry. They fail to understand the basics. Such as if a president or presidential candidate is in the area, cell phone use is blocked. Two of the groups listed in the article have been protesting without paying much attention to the requirements for the past week. They appear to want to cry fascism rather than follow along with the regulations.
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RE: Signs of fascism? - 8/31/2008 10:03:15 PM
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Wait, if you think that's fascistic, what's this?
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/30/report-massive-warra.html
I have followed some of the posts on Boing Boing through the last election. Fascism seems to be their battle cry. They fail to understand the basics. Such as if a president or presidential candidate is in the area, cell phone use is blocked. Two of the groups listed in the article have been protesting without paying much attention to the requirements for the past week. They appear to want to cry fascism rather than follow along with the regulations.
What?
The BoingBoing article didn't mention fascism at all. You're making stuff up.
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