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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 2:44:56 PM
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DaveW
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Sign: Mark 16:17, my point being that casting out demons is not a gift of the Holy Spirit, but rather, a sign which accompanies those who believe.
Just like we read in Mark....no more, no less
It would seem from Scripture that signs accompany believers in the face of those who do not believe. It is a 'sign' that what the person is 'preaching', 'teaching', etc. is, from God. OK I thought that might be what you were refering to. So "casting out demons" i.e. the deliverance ministry, is only to be done in conjunction with evangelism?
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I believe what the Word of God says and will take that as my example. I do not care who has what experience. God's Word comes first. In fact, I do not even care if the experience is 'good'. Experience is not the criteria for deciding if something is acceptable to God or not. And, if it is not acceptable to God, then I certainly do not want anything to do with it. So you are saying that casting out a demon is unacceptable to God unless it is part of evangelistic outreach?
So what do you propose for a believer that is exhibiting signs of demonization? Wait until the next revival service?
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I have not said, nor am I saying, that believers should not pray for others.
I have only said that the so-called 'deliverance ministry' is not scriptural and it is not. Ministry TO people is Scriptural. I am not splitting hairs, there is a very real difference here. So what kind of ministry to people is accetpable if deliverance is out?
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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 3:23:44 PM
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Sign: Mark 16:17, my point being that casting out demons is not a gift of the Holy Spirit, but rather, a sign which accompanies those who believe.
Just like we read in Mark....no more, no less
It would seem from Scripture that signs accompany believers in the face of those who do not believe. It is a 'sign' that what the person is 'preaching', 'teaching', etc. is, from God. OK I thought that might be what you were refering to. So "casting out demons" i.e. the deliverance ministry, is only to be done in conjunction with evangelism?
Where do you get that from? Is that your conclusion? It sure is not mine and not what Scripture teaches and not what that verse says at all.quote:
I believe what the Word of God says and will take that as my example. I do not care who has what experience. God's Word comes first. In fact, I do not even care if the experience is 'good'. Experience is not the criteria for deciding if something is acceptable to God or not. And, if it is not acceptable to God, then I certainly do not want anything to do with it. So you are saying that casting out a demon is unacceptable to God unless it is part of evangelistic outreach? Uh......wait, let me check....uh....no....not so.
Gee, not doing too good there Dave. 2 out of 3 wrong so far.....
So what do you propose for a believer that is exhibiting signs of demonization? Wait until the next revival service? Oooo....are you being sarcastic here Dave? 'Cause guess what? You're wrong again! Three out of three.....well, at least you're consistent.quote:
I have not said, nor am I saying, that believers should not pray for others.
I have only said that the so-called 'deliverance ministry' is not scriptural and it is not. Ministry TO people is Scriptural. I am not splitting hairs, there is a very real difference here. So what kind of ministry to people is accetpable if deliverance is out? Gee....I missed that. Did someone on this thread say that deliverance is out? I'm thinking it's very much needed.....more so than ever.
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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 3:25:07 PM
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 I need some fresh air. This thread is getting stuffy.
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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 3:34:27 PM
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Let me see if I got this right - the deliverance ministry is out but ministering deliverance is in???
I do not see the difference.
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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 3:37:35 PM
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BTW, the Mark passage you quote to establish deliverance as a sign is about evangelism - Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature is how the passage starts. It then goes on to say These signs shall follow them that believe...
That is where I got the evangelism link. It was in your proof text.
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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 3:58:19 PM
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DaveW,
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So what kind of ministry to people is accetpable if deliverance is out?
Hope you don't mind me 'slipping in' here:
Last night I was wondering the very same thing. I was picking beans in the church's 'Garden Ministry' , which I mentioned back in post #17, when it again dawned on me..."Scripture says nothing about a ''garden ministry". I didn't name it that, but then I didn't name our "Jail ministry" either, even though I went every week for 2 years assuming I was ministring to people in jail. My meditations made me question as to what in the world should it be called? As I continued to 'pick beans' I finally decided I'm still at perfect peace with garden ministry, jail ministry and deliverance ministry...even if there isn't a chapter and verse stating such as "ministries".  I think I'm following the 'Spirit of the law of liberty' which is better than being bound to 'the letter of the law of liberty'.
Again, if you don't want me 'slipping in' just let me know and I'll 'slip away'.
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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 5:01:23 PM
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BTW, the Mark passage you quote to establish deliverance as a sign is about evangelism - Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature is how the passage starts. It then goes on to say These signs shall follow them that believe...
That is where I got the evangelism link. It was in your proof text.
And? So? Am I wrong? No? Is casting out demons a gift? Where is the scripture for that? THAT is my point. People have made a ministry out of it because of the ignorance of Christians. THAT is why we have a deliverance ministry. Period.
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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 5:02:24 PM
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Let me see if I got this right - the deliverance ministry is out but ministering deliverance is in???
I do not see the difference.
Great. Get to it then!
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RE: Deliverance question? - 9/5/2008 5:19:25 PM
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It was actually sledmt that asked me to comment on Mark 16...which is why I mentionned it all. I am not basing all my comments on this verse, but as I was asked by the OP.....................
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