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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 10/26/2008 3:12:32 PM
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I do not think that there is any compression to The Rolling Stones and Barlow Girls.
they are both hard rock/rock and roll.
The Stones may have been considered "hard rock" back in the day, but by today's standards, they're closer to alt.country.
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what would you compare them to in a secular music band?
They sound like a safer/tamer Evanescence.
-Dan.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 10:53:17 AM
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I have been in this industry (not famous) but involved enough to know "it's all about money".
It still is about fame, money and selling records (yes the Christian "Praise music" industry is all about money).
ahh! i've always wondered.
this is very insightful.
thank you.
as for the original question posed... i have to agree and disagree. i think they main problem is a lack of innovation. an innovative artist should be exploring alternative instrumentation. but at the same time, an innovative artist should be able to make due with what he's got (like the format or the white stripes as was mention earlier).
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 11:20:45 AM
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Unfortunately the industry has no interest in innovation.
Too risky from a $$ viewpoint.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 12:36:35 PM
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I agree with post from few pages back about Jesus. praise God in lyrics ((not always P&W or SG)) if its Christian music, it should have Christian lyrics
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 12:55:59 PM
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if its Christian music, it should have Christian lyrics
Define "Christian" music please.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 2:13:27 PM
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offering prasie to God. not P&W but know you speaking about God not having to think just exactly W/who the song is written for
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 3:59:36 PM
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So I take it you're not a fan of bands like Jars of Clay that make you think about their lyrics. Kinda narrows the playing field a bit doncha think?
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 4:04:23 PM
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actually i never cared for jars of clay. now third day on the other hand is a great band.
see i grew up in the 80's when the rock bands praised jesus in the songs.
Degarmo & key, Petra, Stryper, Sacred Warrior, David & The Giants, Whiteheart, Whitecross.
they all praised the Lord with lyrics.
I love the quote take your message to the world.
doesnt it also say be in the world but not OF it
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 4:29:58 PM
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actually i never cared for jars of clay. now third day on the other hand is a great band. 2 bands with nothing in common stylistically.
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see i grew up in the 80's when the rock bands praised jesus in the songs. And I grew up in the 70's when bands like 2nd Chapter were a brand new idea. Their lyrics were as in your face about Jesus as you can get. But that doesn't prevent me from appreciating more subtle lyrics. I don't need a song with Jesus as every other word to let me know it's about God. And that brings us around the circle and back to what defines a song as "Christian"? Does it have to have Jesus' name all over it? Does it have to refer to scripture? I don't think so, but there are lots of people who do.
Nice talkin' with ya, I'm done with discussions like this.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 6:35:33 PM
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My friend, apparently you weren't at Night of Joy in Disney on 9/5. You know how oenophiles say wines have notes of butter, apples, bacon, whatever...aside from grapes?
At NOJ I heard BarlowGirl sound like the Stones, Metallica and Nirvana. And Rebecca's more mature, "slashing", wailing guitar sounds remind me more and more of some dude named the Edge. I think the Ladies Barlow will be the female U2, not kidding ya. I call much of their stuff -- Million, Broken, etc. metallic, anyway.
End of the day I am happy if BarlowGirl sounds like BarlowGirl.
Best to everyone as always!
Ramon Matos - your BarlowRocker
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I do not think that there is any compression to The Rolling Stones and Barlow Girls.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/5/2008 10:03:05 PM
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offering prasie to God. not P&W but know you speaking about God not having to think just exactly W/who the song is written for
how can you tell if a song is offering praise to God? wouldn't you have to know the artist's motive and intentions in order to decifer whether or not a song was really offering praise to God? no offense, but that seems kind of unfair.
i think you pretty much summed it up in that later post... essentially, the bands you would consider "Christian" are only the bands you like listening to.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/6/2008 11:11:31 PM
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offering prasie to God. not P&W but know you speaking about God not having to think just exactly W/who the song is written for
how can you tell if a song is offering praise to God? wouldn't you have to know the artist's motive and intentions in order to decifer whether or not a song was really offering praise to God? no offense, but that seems kind of unfair.
i think you pretty much summed it up in that later post... essentially, the bands you would consider "Christian" are only the bands you like listening to.
when I listen to a song and have no idea if they singing about a woman or Jesus. I tend to not consider that Christian. somewhere CCM lost the focus of having music that spoke openly of Jesus and got to where I have to read the lyrics and study, get a thesarus and a dictionary and still pray I find lyrics that speak OPENLY of Christ.
now some do and this is not meant at them, but by far the majority of the more popular ones do not.
if your faves do, then you obviously know it. if they don't then you do as well.
as I said, in the 80's and as one said even the 70's, lyrics were open about Christ. when they decided to try to be on pop top 40 and the whatnot they started leaving Jesus out of lyrics. and yes I was around in that time. so music evolved. ok. I have some artists out today I love their sound and lyrics, and some fall into what we discussing, but I wont name them.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/7/2008 11:21:50 AM
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CCM is lacking a band with guts.
Like BarlowGirl. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. They tell it like it is. Like the Tim Russert of bands.
Not all of those "Coldplay soundalikes."
That's my story.
Ramon Matos - your BarlowRocker
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STICK IT TO THE G.M.A.!!!
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/7/2008 9:19:20 PM
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Now saying that they all sound like Coldplay sound-a-likes is giving them a compliment. 
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/8/2008 1:20:43 AM
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CCM is lacking a band with guts.
Like BarlowGirl. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. They tell it like it is. Like the Tim Russert of bands.
Not all of those "Coldplay soundalikes."
That's my story.
Ramon Matos - your BarlowRocker
go Heat
STICK IT TO THE G.M.A.!!!
wow
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/8/2008 7:22:12 AM
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Now saying that they all sound like Coldplay sound-a-likes is giving them a compliment.
I agree. Way more credit than most deserve.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/9/2008 10:04:09 AM
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Musically, I'd like to hear some the keyboard return to some sort of prominence. About the only instruments you hear now are largely guitars and drums.
Also, I'd like to hear someone put out a few instrumental releases every now and then, but the only CCM artist of note that regularly releases instrumental material is Phil Keaggy.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 11/9/2008 3:41:37 PM
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I have been seeing some decent rap music on The Gospel Music Channel. That is a change from the norm.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 12/4/2008 12:07:19 PM
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I think Christian music has come a long way.I am old enough to remember when Petra was about the only really good Christian rock band around.But now there are so many that I could not possibly name them all.I think the talent level is tremendous now.I mean groups like Lifehouse, Jars of Clay,Switchfoot,Skillet,and Kutless are as good as anything out there in the secular market.And believe me I have left out many good artists, which I am sure I will hear about.The gap between secular groups and Christian groups is not as wide as it use to be, in terms of talent and the sound.But that's just my opinion.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 12/5/2008 11:37:49 AM
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And have some artists forced to listen to some "out of the box" CCM or secular music so they can be inspired!
Actually I don't think this is necessarily an issue. Many times, the artists DO listen to secular music (it's often a controversy for some of their fans...I remember angry letters when Eddie Degarmo expressed admiration for Bruce Springsteen by saying he listened to him, "He has so much assessment of where people are but not where they should go...") or out of the box Christian music but I think there's a lot of pressure on them to make music that label heads THINK radio "wants".
And the whole idea of "It's a ministry..." is so overriding that people determine that good intent equals good ministry, rather than good art COMBINED with good intent equals good ministry.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 12/5/2008 11:57:44 AM
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Other instruments! The vast majority of CCM has the electric guitar, and drums, but hardly any other instrument. This is one of reasons why CCM is less appealing than other types of music. Do you agree or disagree?
I think the problem is the target audience for CCM *RADIO*. As long as the audience is "soccer moms who want a ditty" the music will reflect that. I find CCM I like here and there but it's virtually never the stuff that gets played onair. I'm hopeful that the advent of "HD radio" means that more radio stations are willing to carry a rockier or more urban style on the subcarrier and we can get away from CCM=pasty middlebrow pop/rock . But I'm not holding my breath. By the way, did you notice how a TON of the "best music" from 2008 according to CCM critics was from outside of the "majors"?
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 12/5/2008 12:01:58 PM
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<snip>We have Gospel, which we segregate by race/culture (White Southern and Black -
Which is another big problem. Rock and roll grew out of racial CROSS-pollination...white boy country singers who started to dig R&B and gospel and blues singers who hung out with country singers.
CCM radio music directors seem convinced of the theory that "If it's rhythmic, my white listeners won't like it." Problem with that theory is many of the same soccer moms also listen to the mainstream Top 40 station which is assuredly playing plenty of R&B/rap based hits these days.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 12/5/2008 2:56:38 PM
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It's a shame that people react in such narrow-minded ways, such as towards Degarmo and Key for listening to Bruce Springsteen.One of my Christian friends that I once worked with likes Bruce Springsteen.I never once questioned his devotion to Christ for liking "The Boss", nor do I believe it is my place to do so.
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RE: What Most CCM is Lacking - 12/6/2008 8:10:55 PM
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Personally, IMHO, I think innovation across the board is missing in the industry today. Not just the CCM world, but all genres sound so generic today. I know there are some good bands/artists out there but it's so hard to find unless you know someone adept at searching underground or locally on myspace, etc for something just a hair off normal (i.e. generic). Personally, I would like to find things diverse in choices like the bands as Larry Norman, Daniel Amos, Silverwind, 2nd Chapter of Acts, Amy Grant, Petra, Stryper, etc. Or even, across the board, from Chicago (when still innovative), Billy Joel, Mellencamp (although he's still putting out new and differnet good stuff..) But aside from a few that you all have already mentioned there doesn't seem to be much to choose from. I've been going back and listening to classics to get my fill of different sounds (iTunes just released Daniel Amos Darn Floor/Big Bite... now if they'd release the rest of it, including Alarma!)
If I've overlooked places to check out new exciting music please feel free to pm me with the info and a rebuke 
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