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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 3:12:21 PM
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Abortion: Bayh has voted in favor of banning late-term abortions except where the mother's health is concerned, but has opposed many other restrictions on abortion. He supports Roe V. Wade.
Which is like banning abortions on pregnant fathers. The health exception is a loophole.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 3:38:14 PM
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Do you think the left wing blogs and boards are discussing McCain any less?
I can confirm they discuss McCain constantly.
Remember McCain has been a big figure in the public eye for a minimum of 8 years that I know of (really longer but I know I can back up the 8 years easily), the earliest one can say Obama has been a well known figure is from 2004 when he spoke at the Democratic National Convention. When you combine that with McCain's decades in the Senate as opposed to Obama's 3 and a half years and you have a discrepency in how much background each of them has. Add the fact that Obama is the first African American candidate to get this far and his natural charisma and you have a situation where Obama is going to get the bulk of the attention because he is the more compelling candidate whether you like him or dislike him.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 4:08:58 PM
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Do you think the left wing blogs and boards are discussing McCain any less?
I can confirm they discuss McCain constantly.
Remember McCain has been a big figure in the public eye for a minimum of 8 years that I know of (really longer but I know I can back up the 8 years easily), the earliest one can say Obama has been a well known figure is from 2004 when he spoke at the Democratic National Convention. When you combine that with McCain's decades in the Senate as opposed to Obama's 3 and a half years and you have a discrepency in how much background each of them has. Add the fact that Obama is the first African American candidate to get this far and his natural charisma and you have a situation where Obama is going to get the bulk of the attention because he is the more compelling candidate whether you like him or dislike him.
I agree with that in part. While it is true that some of the media attention is due to the fact of historical implications you can't overlook the fact that some of the media is just ga-ga over the guy.
Like the quote from Chris Matthews earlier, with his leg all tingly. That has nothing to do with the fact that he is the first black man to win the nomination of his party.
Add to that the fact that NObama got more coverage while he was on vacation than McCain did during that same week and it's clear (like it wasn't already) that there is definitely a liberal bias there.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 6:56:19 PM
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I agree with that in part. While it is true that some of the media attention is due to the fact of historical implications you can't overlook the fact that some of the media is just ga-ga over the guy.
There's that too. It was a response to one of our Obama supporters (or anti McCainites, tough to keep track or just anti other people on the board peeps) so I assumed they weren't complaining about Chris Matthews' man crush* on Obama or any of the other positive coverage. I assumed they were whining about the negative coverage (or neutral coverage) which was what I was trying to explain.
I was also trying to explain without being insulting to Obama (I didn't feel the need to pile on) why this board talks more about him than McCain. The reason for that is that many here dislike Obama much more than they like McCain. And for legitimate, verifiable reasons. I admit some of the minor stuff said about Obama bothers me. There is no reason to be unfair or untruthful. But Obama supports abortion rights, civil unions and socialist economic policies. He is generally proud of it. McCain is not conservative enough for most members of the board but he is more palatable than Obama to them.
I know its been said before (many times). I thought I'd try it again.
* a man crush is not a sexual term. I am not saying anything about Matthews' sexuality. Those who watch Seinfeld realize the term is used when one guy really looks up to and likes another (Jerry and former Mets first baseman Keith Hernandez). When they interact, it looks similar to romantic interest but there is nothing sexual about it. Getting all tingly would definitely be an example.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/24/2008 10:50:18 AM
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Add to that the fact that NObama got more coverage while he was on vacation than McCain did during that same week and it's clear that there is definitely a liberal bias there.
How do you figure?
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/24/2008 11:07:33 AM
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Haven't read the thread yet, but I'll admit to being giddy when I heard Joe Biden announced. I really did laugh out loud. Obama might as well have taken a bull horn and said, "Yeah, I'm weak and on the defensive, and I have to shore up my credibility."
But my realistic side knows it's not wise to count chickens before they hatch.
It's just hard not to think that this election is McCain's to lose.
BTW, I love the media coverage of Obama. Let them fall all over themselves and tingle all they want. The more they do it, the more Americans are taking note of the silliness.
I live in a highly democratic area of Colorado. Almost everyone voted for Kerry in the last election. That same bunch is now often saying how sick of Obama they are, and how disingenuous they think the treatment of Hillary Clinton is. So, Media, keep it up. 
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/24/2008 12:33:20 PM
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That same bunch is now often saying how sick of Obama they are, and how disingenuous they think the treatment of Hillary Clinton is. So, Media, keep it up.
Sorry to OT for a sec but as far as Hillary Clinton goes what has Obama done wrong? Senator Clinton ran what can be described at a minimum as a very tough campaign against Obama and Obama won (unless we get a real convention surprise). While it may have been smart for Obama to name her VP or be even more deferential to her (he already agreed to let her and Bill speak on separate nights in prominent spots as well as a roll call vote) he doesn't owe her anything. Obama won and Hillary supporters need to understand that.
I just think its important to point out that while I and many others here have profound disagreements with Senator Obama not everything the man does is wrong or should be twisted that way. Not every accusation is true. By admitting that one receives more credibility when they have a legitimate gripe.
Note: this post isn't really directed at the person I quoted. They may have been just reporting their observations but rather I was addressing the notion that Obama has been less than gracious with his opponent. I believe that is patently false.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/24/2008 9:17:45 PM
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That same bunch is now often saying how sick of Obama they are, and how disingenuous they think the treatment of Hillary Clinton is. So, Media, keep it up.
Sorry to OT for a sec but as far as Hillary Clinton goes what has Obama done wrong? Senator Clinton ran what can be described at a minimum as a very tough campaign against Obama and Obama won (unless we get a real convention surprise). While it may have been smart for Obama to name her VP or be even more deferential to her (he already agreed to let her and Bill speak on separate nights in prominent spots as well as a roll call vote) he doesn't owe her anything. Obama won and Hillary supporters need to understand that.
I just think its important to point out that while I and many others here have profound disagreements with Senator Obama not everything the man does is wrong or should be twisted that way. Not every accusation is true. By admitting that one receives more credibility when they have a legitimate gripe.
Note: this post isn't really directed at the person I quoted. They may have been just reporting their observations but rather I was addressing the notion that Obama has been less than gracious with his opponent. I believe that is patently false.
It's the media. They have hung Hillary out to dry and had a love fest with Obama, and it shows to a lot of Democrats -- in my neck of the woods anyway.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/24/2008 9:39:55 PM
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It's the media. They have hung Hillary out to dry and had a love fest with Obama, and it shows to a lot of Democrats -- in my neck of the woods anyway.
I figured thats what you meant. The media fawning giveth and it taketh away.
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