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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 12:06:07 PM
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Rufas2000
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Biden is a bonafide foreign policy wonk. Any reasonable doubts that liberals had over Obama's FP should be over if he has Biden whispering into his ear.
I agree with this. As long as Biden limits himself to whispering in Obama's ear then it will be OK. But Biden is notorious for wanting to speak in public, at all times and for long durations. And he speaks well but its what he says that is the problem. He talks so much and is careless enough that he is bound to say something that derails Obama's campaign. Biden's reputation and up side (FR Exp., articulate, solid liberal) are not enough to make this a chance worth taking for Obama.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 12:27:21 PM
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Biden has admitted as much, and I think the fact that he has a reputation for saying stupid things (among some pretty brilliant things, to be fair) helps him out, should he say something stupid on the campaign... He has the padding of low expectations where his mouth is concerned.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 12:33:08 PM
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If he chooses Romney, (which is where I'd put my money), he will have to deal with Romney's negative remarks against McCain during the primaries as well as Romney's flip-flop over abortion and gay marriage being played over and over again by the Obama campaign.
You mean sort of like Biden did to NObama?
On Aug. 1, 2007, when Obama unveiled his counterterrorism agenda, the Biden camp fired off a snarky email congratulating him for his "Johnny-come-lately position" on Afghanistan, noting that during two Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Afghanistan and other subjects, Obama didn't ask questions about the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or Afghanistan.
“We find it a little disingenuous that Sen. Obama is hailing this as a new bold initiative when he has neglected to join his colleagues in the Senate when the opportunities have been there to redirect our forces into Afghanistan” Biden campaign manager Luis Navarro said at the time. “It’s good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but this can hardly be considered bold leadership.”
Or how about this gem?
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy ... I mean, that's a storybook, man."
He doesn't think, though, that Obama can win the presidency because he is "a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate. ... I don't recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic."
Obama, Clinton and Edwards didn't get into the debate over Iraq "until they announced for President."
"Biden has denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be President."
Running against Obama for the presidency, Biden said nominating
someone without national security credentials would be a "tragic
mistake" and said that the presidency "is not something that lends
itself to on-the-job-training."
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 12:49:56 PM
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Republican fear? I was HOPING he'd pick Biden!
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 12:54:58 PM
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In the 29 states (plus the District of Columbia) where voter affiliation is kept by party, the Democrats have scored perceptible gains since the presidential election of 2004 while the Republicans have suffered significant losses. To be specific, the number of registered Democrats in party registration states has grown by nearly 700,000 since President George W. Bush was reelected in November 2004, while the total of registered Republicans has declined by almost 1 million.
Which makes the fact that NObama and McCain are virtually tied in the polls even more puzzling.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 12:55:07 PM
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Republican fear? I was HOPING he'd pick Biden!
So was I, Biden should give Obama the edge in November.
I admire your false bravado!
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 1:14:14 PM
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Nothing false about it...there are just certain choices that you KNOW will make things easier for the GOP (unless of course they can find a way to screw it up, which they are so prone to do).
Biden is certainly less boring than somebody like Evan Bayh, but he's also nearly as polarizing a figure as Hillary Clinton, so my initial impression is that Obama didn't do himself any favors with this choice.
Ah, but we shall see....legend has it that after Labor Day is when the polls actually become worth something... 
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 1:21:01 PM
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Rufas2000
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Biden has admitted as much, and I think the fact that he has a reputation for saying stupid things (among some pretty brilliant things, to be fair) helps him out, should he say something stupid on the campaign... He has the padding of low expectations where his mouth is concerned.
Interesting theory but the McCain campaign has shown that it can "play tough" and if Biden eats some foot the Republicans will do all they can to ensure he chokes on it, even if those that are politically aware realizes that Biden does it.
Did Biden say that Giluiani was noun, verb, 9/11? That was pretty good.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 1:23:22 PM
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So was I, Biden should give Obama the edge in November.
I admire your false bravado!
Why do you think that?
I don't think its false bravado, I think Republicans are generally happy about Obama's VP pick. They ain't fakin'.
It could be misplaced bravado but we won't find that out until Election Day.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 1:36:29 PM
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TaoPoohBear
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So was I, Biden should give Obama the edge in November.
Why do you think that?
Biden solidifies the base, and assuages the fears of moderates (about Obama's experience).
Cheney did the same thing for Bush in 2000.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 1:41:27 PM
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The problem with saying Biden solidifies the base is that Obama pretty much had the far left kook base under him already. Choosing Biden will not do much to pacify Hilary supporters who will vote for McCain over Obama.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 1:55:16 PM
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The problem with saying Biden solidifies the base is that Obama pretty much had the far left kook base under him already. Choosing Biden will not do much to pacify Hilary supporters who will vote for McCain over Obama.
Especially if McCain picks Michael S. Steele for his VP running mate. Which I think would be a good pick.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 2:01:25 PM
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Republican fear is an amusing thing to behold!
Go Joe!
Sorry Poo Poo bear, Rebublicans are relishing the choice, the one they feared was H.R. Clinton, for she might have brought some votes to the tickes.
The choice of Biden only add arrogance to already over the top arrogane and will defeat the demokrat ticket.
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 2:12:09 PM
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I came over from reading FoxNews to this Forum and get to read the same right-wing talking ponts.
...yea, for people who profess to be opposed to Obama, they sure are spending a lot of energy on the Democratic ticket :)
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 2:16:05 PM
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I wish Steele would run for Prez :)
He is an outstanding conservative Christian man, and would make a great VP as well. Too bad there is no way McCain would ever pick him 
Why wouldn't he pick Michael Steele?
McCain is to announce his pick at the party's national convention, and,
The Republican National Committee has invited him [Michael Steele] to speak at the party's national convention in St. Paul, Minn.
Here
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 2:23:15 PM
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ManimalX
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Is it not wise to study one's enemy? Do you think the left wing blogs and boards are discussing McCain any less?
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RE: And the veep is... - 8/23/2008 2:41:01 PM
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You must not get MSNBC in Oklahoma.
It's been well known for months that MSNBC is in the tank for NObama. Lest we forget Chris Matthews fawning over him:
I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often.
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