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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 11:28:53 AM
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armydude
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Everything in our lives should glorify God. I simply cannot see how drinking alcohol, even in moderation, can do that.
Maybe not, but then again, you've haven't seen and done everything. You probably don't know how every culture is and how people do things differently than you do.
I bet if I took you on my "mission field" for a day or two it just might open you up to seeing that there are things outside your "norm." Like, a "C.S. Lewis Society" meeting, where a bunch of us guys get together at the local pub and discuss theology, God, etc. over a few beers and cigars. Not all of them are total believers... YET. Nobody gets drunk or anything like that.
What does culture have to do with glorifying God? We glorify God by obeying His word. His word does not change with cultures.
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 11:46:54 AM
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If one can squeeze knowingly ingesting a harmful and addicting substance into the body into an act of faith you have my vote for theologian of the year...
Do you, personally, consider eating potato chips sinful?
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 11:48:21 AM
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If one can squeeze knowingly ingesting a harmful and addicting substance into the body into an act of faith you have my vote for theologian of the year...
Do you, personally, consider eating potato chips sinful?
Do you personally consider potato chips to be equally as harmful as smoke?
Do you personally consider potato chips addicting? I know they say you can't eat just one, but...
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 12:11:13 PM
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Do you personally consider potato chips to be equally as harmful as smoke?
When taken in excess, yes.
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Do you personally consider potato chips addicting? I know they say you can't eat just one, but...
Maybe not in a physical, medical sense. But I know that some people are certainly addicted to them. And if not potato chips, than some other unhealthy food, be it ice cream, cheesecake, Big Macs, etc. Or perhaps that infamous legalized stimulant, coffee. Obviously (to me, at least), none of these are inherently sinful in and of themselves, but taken in excess, they can be very detrimental to one's health.
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 12:13:20 PM
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Do you personally consider potato chips to be equally as harmful as smoke?
When taken in excess, yes.
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Do you personally consider potato chips addicting? I know they say you can't eat just one, but...
Maybe not in a physical, medical sense. But I know that some people are certainly addicted to them. And if not potato chips, than some other unhealthy food, be it ice cream, cheesecake, Big Macs, etc. Or perhaps that infamous legalized stimulant, coffee. Obviously (to me, at least), none of these are inherently sinful in and of themselves, but taken in excess, they can be very detrimental to one's health.
And that is the case where the statement of Paul's that not everything is edifying. We should be doing what's edifying.
Does alcohol edify? Do cigarettes? I can't see it, but I don't like either one, so I'm biased.
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 12:13:46 PM
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What does culture have to do with glorifying God? We glorify God by obeying His word. His word does not change with cultures.
It's about being able to communicate with people effectively in a way they can understand.
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 12:14:35 PM
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What does culture have to do with glorifying God? We glorify God by obeying His word. His word does not change with cultures.
It's about being able to communicate with people effectively in a way they can understand.
So what does alcohol have to do with communicating with people? That seems way too close to compromise IMHO...
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 12:19:32 PM
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And that is the case where the statement of Paul's that not everything is edifying. We should be doing what's edifying.
Does alcohol edify? Do cigarettes?
I can't speak towards cigarettes, having never smoked one. However, I find sharing a beer with friends can be a very edifying experience. As can enjoying a bowl of fine leaf in one's pipe.
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 12:21:15 PM
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And that is the case where the statement of Paul's that not everything is edifying. We should be doing what's edifying.
Does alcohol edify? Do cigarettes?
I can't speak towards cigarettes, having never smoked one. However, I find sharing a beer with friends can be a very edifying experience. As can enjoying a bowl of fine leaf in one's pipe.
In that case, please define edify...
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 12:26:56 PM
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Well like I said, I'm biased. I put down alcohol six years ago after a friend was in a DWI accident and killed.
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 1:46:37 PM
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Everything in our lives should glorify God. I simply cannot see how drinking alcohol, even in moderation, can do that.
There must something to it since Christ himself partook and the fact the bible speaks against drunkenness not drinking...
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 3:55:16 PM
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In that case, please define edify...
Somethings that strengthens a relationship, be it with other people, or God.
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 4:20:35 PM
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At the risk of confusing the issue: any significance in the fact that Christ's first miracle was turning water into wine?
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 6:53:46 PM
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At the risk of confusing the issue
Don't worry mvic, I'm pretty sure the issue is plenty confused already. ; )
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/23/2008 11:11:45 PM
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Sitting in front of a computer for hours every day instead of exercising isn't too good for ya either!
I can do both
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RE: beer and cigarettes... - 8/24/2008 3:13:12 AM
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We already have several threads on both of these topics, so this thread is closed. Please join us in one of the threads linked below.
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