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RE: U.S. airline pilot sues to get off terror watch list - 8/22/2008 7:09:36 PM
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Jhud
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I am sorry your mom had to go through that. It was probably both physically painful for her as well as the embrrassment good people feel when being treated like a criminal. But TSA & DHS would tell you that wheelchairs can be used to hide bomb making materials or drugs and their have been many a grandma convicted of that. BTW, Oklahoma City was perpetrated by two white guys and McVeigh was ex-military so if you're Irish or a white male or an ex soldier you could be deemed to "fit the profile of a terrorist"! No demographic is deemed untainted by our awesome security specialists. Really? How may eighty year old grandmas have been convicted of transporting drugs or bomb materials? And while I realize that anyone could be a terrorist, neither of the perpetrators of the Oklahoma city bombings would have been stopped by TSA - in fact, it would be almost be impossible to stop those sort of attacks. Using a plane however as a weapon is usually limited to those who are willing to certainly die in the course of their mission - and unless one has a belief system that lends itself to such tactics, it is unlikely to be utilized.
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RE: U.S. airline pilot sues to get off terror watch list - 8/22/2008 7:57:02 PM
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I am sorry your mom had to go through that. It was probably both physically painful for her as well as the embrrassment good people feel when being treated like a criminal. But TSA & DHS would tell you that wheelchairs can be used to hide bomb making materials or drugs and their have been many a grandma convicted of that. BTW, Oklahoma City was perpetrated by two white guys and McVeigh was ex-military so if you're Irish or a white male or an ex soldier you could be deemed to "fit the profile of a terrorist"! No demographic is deemed untainted by our awesome security specialists. Really? How may eighty year old grandmas have been convicted of transporting drugs or bomb materials? And while I realize that anyone could be a terrorist, neither of the perpetrators of the Oklahoma city bombings would have been stopped by TSA - in fact, it would be almost be impossible to stop those sort of attacks. Using a plane however as a weapon is usually limited to those who are willing to certainly die in the course of their mission - and unless one has a belief system that lends itself to such tactics, it is unlikely to be utilized. "Now, hold onto you seats: the oldest drug abuser was 90 years old. Surprised? How about this: 4 percent of the drug abusers were 80 years old and above. " Link Looks like there may be more old folks than you would expect!
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RE: U.S. airline pilot sues to get off terror watch list - 8/23/2008 6:52:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: Evangel70 As of June of this year, there are ONE MILLION people on the terror watch list, including quite a few grade schoolers. So what you are saying is that if every person on the watch list was an American then 0.33% ( one-third of one percent) of the population has the possibility of being on the list. Being that the list isn't just for Americans that number shrinks even further. Oh and just so you know it isn't grade schoolers on the list, it is people with the same names.
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RE: U.S. airline pilot sues to get off terror watch list - 8/25/2008 1:34:27 PM
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cow451
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Being detained and grilled by federal agents is reduced to being stymied? You try that some time on a repeated basis and then we'll see if you just "feel stymied". BTW, did they haul your mother before a couple of agents with guns who used threats and intimidation to bully her to try and resolve her SS problem? My guess would be no. Actually, my mother at age 80, in a wheelchair, was pulled aside at an airport, made to stand-up, and given the once over with a wand and patted down. The reason she was not simply because government bureaucracies are big and dumb, but because liberals are so intent at not offending anyone that they can't limit themselves to people who are most likely to commit terrorist acts. So before you keep whining about how 'unfair' these bureaucracies are, you better be prepared to accept the criteria that would make them more effective. I am sorry your mom had to go through that. It was probably both physically painful for her as well as the embrrassment good people feel when being treated like a criminal. But TSA & DHS would tell you that wheelchairs can be used to hide bomb making materials or drugs and their have been many a grandma convicted of that. BTW, Oklahoma City was perpetrated by two white guys and McVeigh was ex-military so if you're Irish or a white male or an ex soldier you could be deemed to "fit the profile of a terrorist"! No demographic is deemed untainted by our awesome security specialists. But they didn't fly anything anywhere. They used a good old fashioned rental truck. Can y6ou rent a truck if you're on the watch list?
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RE: U.S. airline pilot sues to get off terror watch list - 8/25/2008 1:36:51 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant In all seriousness, what i want to know is - if this combat vet, airline pilot, American citizen, blameless record, can be placed on The List for no apparent reason, what makes ANYONE think they are safe? And what kind of country is it that can destroy your reputation and your livelihood without trial, without a hearing, and without even having to explain their actions? What i want to know is why people feel threatened by a list that has inconvenienced a very few people, a very, very small, fractional percentage of the traveling public has anything to worry about. Lots fewer people were killed in 9/11 attacks, but that didn't mean we neglected the problem.
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RE: U.S. airline pilot sues to get off terror watch list - 9/2/2008 6:41:38 PM
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Latest update: The two-sentence letter from Colgan Air Inc. to the federal Transportation Security Administration confirmed that the Manassas, Va.-based regional carrier was allowing Erich Scherfen to return to work. It did not mention any watch list or the reason the company suspended Scherfen in April.
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