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RE: A question about Proverbs 19:7 - 8/21/2008 7:39:09 PM
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MindySue69
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You're right - it isn't the point of the thread.
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RE: A question about Proverbs 19:7 - 8/22/2008 8:56:18 AM
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psende
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ORIGINAL: Knolt
Proverbs 19:7 A poor man is shunned by all his relatives, how much more do his friends avoid him!
Though he pursues them with pleading, they are nowhere to be found. NIV
Brothers and sisters in Christ, why do you think it's that way. Why do you think it's like that? let's expound upon this.
Jimbo is correct in saying that this is just talking about human nature. Jimmy Witherspoon (I think it was him) recognized the truth of this proverb when he wrote the song, "Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out."
It's good to know what to expect if you're ever "down and out." People will forsake you and forget about you . . . but Christ won't. As Christians, its important to recognize that one of the ways we are to be set apart from the world is by treating the "down and out" as we would the rich and famous (and vice versa). This probverb highlights that, I believe.
As far as the "grain of salt" thing relating to Ecclesiastes and Proverbs, I think it is wise to recognize that much of what is written is not so much concerned about "holy living" as it is with just plain "living." It is wisdom that works for anybody and everybody, as long as they're human.
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RE: A question about Proverbs 19:7 - 8/22/2008 3:00:09 PM
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MODERATOR'S NOTE :: ATTENTION PLEASE
For the record, someone started a new discussion for the Ecclesiastes rabbit trail. CLICK HERE to go to the thread.
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RE: A question about Proverbs 19:7 - 8/22/2008 6:10:27 PM
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This half of a lierary couplet. In poetic terms a couplet is two phrases that are connected through similiarity or contrast. In the book of Proverbs, coplets are commonly used to define something by showing the positive and negative aspects. Proverbs , in my opinion, is also a pragmatic book. Its purpose is to provide the reader with practical advise on daily living. In this verse, I believe we are being told that money effects how people relate to someone. This kind of behavior is contrary to Ha Torah, but it is important to realize many do not share our moral code and we should act accordingly. That is we should expect people to pander to us if we are rich and ignore us if we are poor. Such are the burdens of each condition.
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RE: A question about Proverbs 19:7 - 8/30/2008 6:31:30 AM
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Behold, a greater than Solomon is here! And He says there are two types: the unselfish and the selfish.
“Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” & “Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.”
(Matthew.25:40,45)
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RE: A question about Proverbs 19:7 - 9/2/2008 1:06:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: Knolt
Proverbs 19:7 A poor man is shunned by all his relatives, how much more do his friends avoid him!
Though he pursues them with pleading, they are nowhere to be found. NIV
Brothers and sisters in Christ, why do you think it's that way. Why do you think it's like that? let's expound upon this.
People seem to have a hard time helping people who are close to them. Some people would help an injured animal before helping thier fellow man much less a friend or even family member. Some brag about how their church helps feed the poor half way around the world even when they have hungry poor people in thier own backyards. Many turn away thier own families in thier time of need and justify it by saying they are poor by thier own hand therefore I do not have to help them. Nowhere in the Bible have I ever read that you should only help those that deserve your help.
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RE: A question about Proverbs 19:7 - 9/5/2008 12:55:57 AM
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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
A lot of the proverbs were general observations of all mankind, not necessarily of the righteous. This, I believe, is one of them.
Agreed... Many times Proverbs is simply common facts of life stated without moral judgment...
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Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
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RE: A question about Proverbs 19:7 - 9/7/2008 10:15:41 PM
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Theophile2
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
Interestingly enough, I can't seem to find a commentary piece on that scripture, I can find vs 8, but not 7.
Maybe you've had better luck?
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ORIGINAL: Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible (1798-1870; e-Sword)
This and other like maxims do not in reality cast scorn and shame on a state which Christ has pronounced “blessed.” Side by side with them is Pr 19:1, setting forth the honor of an upright poverty. But as there is an honorable poverty, so there is one which is altogether inglorious, caused by sloth and folly, leading to shame and ignominy, and it is well that the man who wishes to live rightly should avoid this.
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ORIGINAL: Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible (1662 - 1714; e-Sword)
Pro 19:6-7 -
These two verses are a comment upon Pr 19:4, and show,
1. How those that are rich and great are courted and caressed, and have suitors and servants in abundance. The prince that has power in his hand, and preferments at his disposal, has his gate and his ante-chamber thronged with petitioners, that are ready to adore him for what they can get. Many will entreat his favour, and think themselves happy in it. Even great men are humble suppliants to the prince. How earnest then should we be for the favour of God, which is far beyond that of any earthly prince. ...
2. How those that are poor and low are slighted and despised. Men may, if they please, court the prince, and the princely, but they may not trample upon the poor and look at them with disdain. Yet so it often is: All the brethren of the poor do hate him; even his own relations are shy of him, because he is needy and craving, and expects something from them, and because they look upon him as a blemish to their family; and then no marvel if others of his friends, that were nothing akin to him, go far from him, to get out of his way. ... as Nabal said to David's messengers: “There are many servants now a days that run away from their masters; and how do I know but that David may be one of them?” Let poor people therefore make God their friend, pursue him with their prayers, and he will not be wanting to them.
Mt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you have done it to Me.
Blessings
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