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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 2:00:21 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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When the proponent of a position is reduced to defending it with GrammarKop quibbling over the parsing, even he knows he's done.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 2:01:27 PM
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I think there are going to be plenty of people who have the understanding that some blood relatives aren't exactly family. Really? Ok. So let me see if I understand. As long as we don't like, see, or care about certain blood relative we are off the hook as far as Matthew 25:40 is concerned?mHow about 1 Timothy 5:8? And why does Obabma want America to give so much to the unwashed, unknown masses?quote:
And I think that where families are concerned, Obama's situation is viewed as head and shoulders above McCain's.
Where in the world do you get that?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 2:06:26 PM
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And I think that where families are concerned, Obama's situation is viewed as head and shoulders above McCain's.
Where in the world do you get that?
McCain's treatment of his first wife is pretty atrocious. He's admitted as such, but still.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 2:08:46 PM
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Dubya
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And I think that where families are concerned, Obama's situation is viewed as head and shoulders above McCain's.
Where in the world do you get that?
McCain's treatment of his first wife is pretty atrocious. He's admitted as such, but still.
Are you talking about Cindy? His wife of 28 years? I haven't heard about any mistreatment there.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 2:13:33 PM
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That seems a little convoluted, and not extremely useful as an issue. I think there are going to be plenty of people who have the understanding that some blood relatives aren't exactly family. And I think that where families are concerned, Obama's situation is viewed as head and shoulders above McCain's.
How is abandoning an impovershed African brother noble?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 2:15:47 PM
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His first wife. Carol. Do you not know about her?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 2:38:01 PM
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Dubya
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His first wife. Carol. Do you not know about her?
Of course I do. And McCain has been very transparent about his moral failings at that time.
How can you take something the man has been very public about and trash him over it? He has never tried to justify himself.
Now, to a little more recent history, he has been married to Cindy for 28 years and 7 children 3 of whom are adopted. Has he been abusive to any of his children or his wife, Cindy?
Honestly, I think you are digging pretty deep to try to trash McCain for his treatment of his first wife (who still supports McCain by the way) especially when he has never tried to hide that period of his life. Let's try some more modern history instead of going back 28 years.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 2:43:29 PM
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What you are saying about some blood relatives being not exactly family is probably true, however if one is running for President, you had better have your relatives and family counted and ready for at least some scrutiny. It doesn't look good to have someone living like George, being ignored by the guy running for the highest office in the land, spouting Scripture, when it's convenient and telling Americans that they aren't doing their part to alleviate world hunger and poverty. That's called hypocrisy!
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I think there are going to be plenty of people who have the understanding that some blood relatives aren't exactly family.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 3:23:12 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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When the proponent of a position is reduced to defending it with GrammarKop quibbling over the parsing, even he knows he's done.
Since you were the first to do so, thanks for that confession! 
pardon me, but that last statement is incorrect. Did you know that it was incorrect? Or not?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 3:24:40 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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What you are saying about some blood relatives being not exactly family is probably true, however if one is running for President, you had better have your relatives and family counted and ready for at least some scrutiny. It doesn't look good to have someone living like George, being ignored by the guy running for the highest office in the land, spouting Scripture, when it's convenient and telling Americans that they aren't doing their part to alleviate world hunger and poverty. That's called hypocrisy!
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I think there are going to be plenty of people who have the understanding that some blood relatives aren't exactly family.
Now, to be sure that I understand you - are you claiming that B Obama ignores his half-brother, that the half-brother G Obama ignores B, or that both of them have chosen to ignore each other?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 3:27:45 PM
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Jhud
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Now, to be sure that I understand you - are you claiming that B Obama ignores his half-brother, that the half-brother G Obama ignores B, or that both of them have chosen to ignore each other?
I am not sure how a person living on a dollar a day in Africa could 'ignore' an American millionaire relative when it isn't in his power to be involved with said relative.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 3:29:38 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Now, to be sure that I understand you - are you claiming that B Obama ignores his half-brother, that the half-brother G Obama ignores B, or that both of them have chosen to ignore each other?
I am not sure how a person living on a dollar a day in Africa could 'ignore' an American millionaire relative when it isn't in his power to be involved with said relative.
Thank you for that clarification, it was as complete and definite as I expected it to be.
Unfortunately, your "unsure"-ness is pretty well trumped by G Obama's own statements:
He will not be calling on his famous brother for help, however.
"We have only met twice, once when I was five or six, and again in 2006," he said. " I cannot say that we are close, he probably does not even think about me. I am not going to start pestering him, I don't want to look to him for help, I want to achieve things for myself.
"I don't even tell people that I am related to Barack Obama, I don't want people here to be harassing me because they think I have money or influence. I have nothing like that, I am a person who likes to live quietly.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2595688/Barack-Obama-is-my-inspiration-says-lost-brother.html
And more power to George, sez I.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 5:03:39 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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And I think that where families are concerned, Obama's situation is viewed as head and shoulders above McCain's.
Where in the world do you get that?
McCain's treatment of his first wife is pretty atrocious. He's admitted as such, but still.
Are you talking about Cindy? His wife of 28 years? I haven't heard about any mistreatment there.
Obtuse much? Or just unclear on the meaning of the term first wife?
You remember her - the woman who remained faithful though a Navy career including fiver years of POW-dom, crippled in a terrible car accident - then dumped like a used Gremlin as the returning war hero John McCain traded her in on a newer, richer model more suited to his desired lifestyle and political ambitions.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 5:11:34 PM
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Jhud
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Obtuse much? Or just unclear on the meaning of the term first wife?
You remember her - the woman who remained faithful though a Navy career including fiver years of POW-dom, crippled in a terrible car accident - then dumped like a used Gremlin as the returning war hero John McCain traded her in on a newer, richer model more suited to his desired lifestyle and political ambitions.
So, having admitted this was his greatest moral failure, what would you have him do now?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 5:11:45 PM
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Dubya
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Now, to be sure that I understand you - are you claiming that B Obama ignores his half-brother, that the half-brother G Obama ignores B, or that both of them have chosen to ignore each other?
I am not sure how a person living on a dollar a day in Africa could 'ignore' an American millionaire relative when it isn't in his power to be involved with said relative.
Thank you for that clarification, it was as complete and definite as I expected it to be.
Unfortunately, your "unsure"-ness is pretty well trumped by G Obama's own statements:
He will not be calling on his famous brother for help, however.
Oh I get it now. We are only to help "the least of these" if they ask. Is that right? Funny I don't recall that exception in Matthew 25. Nor do I detect that in Obama's accusation of America's moral failure.
Let's face the truth. Obama wants the public to give tax dollars to the poor but does not want to open his own wallet for his own brother. Very sad!
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 9:17:38 PM
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I want to achieve things for myself.
George Obama wants to achieve things on his own? I guess that means he never attended one of Rev. Wright's sermons. Otherwise he would have learned how to be a victim and how much others owe him. This also means that we probably shouldn't expect BHO to appoint him to head any welfare programs in the Obama administration.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 10:34:22 PM
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huangshan
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Let's face the truth. Obama wants the public to give tax dollars to the poor but does not want to open his own wallet for his own brother. Very sad!
...but in order for this to be the truth, Obama would have to be excluded from paying taxes, as he is one of that "public" that will give tax dollars to the poor, of which, I ｔｈｉｎｋ， ｈｉｓ ｈａｌｆ－ｂｒｏｔｈｅｒ ｉｓ ｉｎｃｌｕｄｅｄ.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 10:48:41 PM
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Dubya
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Let's face the truth. Obama wants the public to give tax dollars to the poor but does not want to open his own wallet for his own brother. Very sad!
...but in order for this to be the truth, Obama would have to be excluded from paying taxes, as he is one of that "public" that will give tax dollars to the poor, of which, I@C@@|
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Are you serious? There is no way that the incremental increase in Obama's tax would do anything at all for anyone. Only when that increase is applied to the entire tax-paying populace will it ever make a difference. Of course you realize that Brother George in NOT an American so, of course, any aide going in that direction would come form the foreign aide budget... and of course any amount trickling down to Brother George would be pretty small (approaching zero).
It amazes me how you can be so adament in your support of this hypocrite.
Did you notice my "trickle-down" referrence above? That is what Obama is proposing for Brother George. Isn't that the opposite of what all the free-spending liberals preach? I thought Democrats were trickle-up people?
How difficult is it for that cheapskate to open his own wallet and help his Brother George?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 11:08:40 PM
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huangshan
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Let's face the truth. Obama wants the public to give tax dollars to the poor but does not want to open his own wallet for his own brother. Very sad!
...but in order for this to be the truth, Obama would have to be excluded from paying taxes, as he is one of that "public" that will give tax dollars to the poor, of which, I@C@@|
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Are you serious? There is no way that the incremental increase in Obama's tax would do anything at all for anyone. Only when that increase is applied to the entire tax-paying populace will it ever make a difference. Of course you realize that Brother George in NOT an American so, of course, any aide going in that direction would come form the foreign aide budget... and of course any amount trickling down to Brother George would be pretty small (approaching zero).
I'm not sure where the problem is. Taxes allow comparatively insignificant incremental increases to add up to quite a bit. This, in turn, allows for various collective action problems to be resolved so...?
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How difficult is it for that cheapskate to open his own wallet and help his Brother George?
I suppose as difficult as it is for anyone to open up for non-family in another part of the world. It's also been noted that Obama's half-brother hasn't been terribly open to the idea of acknowledging his link to Barack, which I suppose may factor in as well. As such, I'm not sure where the controversy is.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 11:19:55 PM
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Have you guys noticed that the Obama brother who lives in a shack made out of garbage is being called "half brother," by some Obama apologists? It's a transparent attempt to diminish BO's indifference to his brother's suffering.
Yet by the same people, and BO himself, he's called black, when he's just as much half black as he is half brother.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 11:28:36 PM
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Dubya
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Have you guys noticed that the Obama brother who lives in a shack made out of garbage is being called "half brother," by some Obama apologists? It's a transparent attempt to diminish BO's indifference to his brother's suffering.
Yet by the same people, and BO himself, he's called black, when he's just as much half black as he is half brother.
Maybe we should revise Matthew 25:40
"And the king will answer them, I tell you half of the truth, just as you did half as much for one of the least of these half brothers or half sisters of mine, you did it half as much for me."
Does this let half Brother Barak off the hook?... anyone?
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