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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 2:23:30 PM
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Dubya
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The Kennedy family actually took good care of their own and no one should ever claim otherwise.
I do, see my post above. They were ASHAMED of her after the botched lobotomy.
But they still cared for her didn't they? They maintained financial responsibility for her didn't they? In contrast to the democrat nominee who wants to care for "the least of these, my brothers" as long as they're not really his brothers (and as long as it's not his money).
They met the bare minimum standards of human decency. Wonderful defense.
Which is more than we see from Obama.
(that was my real point, in case you missed it).
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 2:42:09 PM
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I would call it yet another sad example of Obama hypocrisy.
I'm sorry, but this is silly.
On my mother's side, my family is about the size of a small army, and I don't consider myself responsible for the welfare of each and every relative (most of whom I barely know, if at all).
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 2:47:56 PM
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Dubya
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I would call it yet another sad example of Obama hypocrisy.
I'm sorry, but this is silly.
On my mother's side, my family is about the size of a small army, and I don't consider myself responsible for the welfare of each and every relative (most of whom I barely know, if at all).
But do you go around making speeches and answering interview questions, as follows:
"I think America's greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we still don't abide by that basic precept in Matthew that whatever you do for the least of my brothers you do for me. And that notion of -- that basic principle applies to poverty."
Notice two words in that quote which apply to this discussion - brother and poverty.
Hey, if he is going to point his finger at America he needs to clean up his own house first. How about a leader wanna-be actually start by leading by example?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 2:52:55 PM
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I wouldn't exactly call this a furor.
I would call it yet another sad example of Obama hypocrisy. 
I was thinking more along the lines of "trying to mudsling in the middle of a desert".
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 2:55:33 PM
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Hey, if he is going to point his finger at America he needs to clean up his own house first.
So Obama is responsible for making sure every member of his extended family is financially solvent, even if he's met that relative once or twice in his entire life?
Frankly, it sounds like George Obama is trying to cash in on a half-brother who's made a success of himself. It reminds me what happens to some people when they win the lottery; all of a sudden, their "long-lost relatives" and other hangers-on come bleeding out of the walls looking for a hand-out.
Plus, ten bucks says John McCain has a relative or two who ain't doing so hot in the solvency department - and he and his wife are swimming in cash and property.
Are they bad people if McCain has a second cousin who is, say, homeless or living or welfare and they don't bail him out?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 2:58:07 PM
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Hey, if he is going to point his finger at America he needs to clean up his own house first. How about a leader wanna-be actually start by leading by example?
"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
(Mat 7:1-5 NASB)
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 3:01:11 PM
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Hey, if he is going to point his finger at America he needs to clean up his own house first.
So Obama is responsible for making sure every member of his extended family is financially solvent, even if he's met that relative once or twice in his entire life?
Frankly, it sounds like George Obama is trying to cash in on a half-brother who's made a success of himself. It reminds me what happens to some people when they win the lottery; all of a sudden, their "long-lost relatives" and other hangers-on come bleeding out of the walls looking for a hand-out.
Maybe. But are you saying that Brother George is any less deserving than "the least of these" that Obama as referring to? Or was Obama's quotation of Scripture simply an empty attempt at pandering to the evangelical voters?
Also, I never said Obama should make every member of his extended family solvent. But it appears that Brother George has all but been forgotten by Barak. Seems to me that if there was any sincerity at all in Obama's referrence to Scripture that he might want to look within his own family before thrusting this great "moral failure" on all of America.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 3:07:41 PM
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The following version comes from the Wikipedia:
Rosemary Kennedy, the sister of President John F. Kennedy, was given a lobotomy when her father complained to doctors about the 23-year-old's moodiness. Dr. Walter Freeman personally performed the procedure. Rather than any improvement, however, the lobotomy reduced Rosemary to an infantile mentality including incontinence. Her verbal skills were reduced to unintelligible babble. Her father hid the nature of Rosemary's affliction for years and described it as the result of mental retardation.
The 23 year-old "girl" was too moody for the old guy so he simply did the most caring thing he could...
Odd that you would elect to use material from the more general Wikki article on 'lobotomy' as opposed to the specific article on Rose Mary Kennedy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy
What I found in the Kennedy article puts your assertions in a somewhat different light:
"Under medical advice, she underwent a lobotomy at the age of 23, after which she was mentally incapacitated for the rest of her life."
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"In 1941, when Rosemary was 23, her father was told by her doctors that a lobotomy would help calm her "mood swings that the family found difficult to handle at home". "
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"Instead of producing the hoped-for result, however, the lobotomy reduced Rosemary to an infantile mentality "
Gee, I wonder why you would select the material you did (that which painted the Kennedy clan in the worst possible light) - and ignore the more favorable material more specifically relevant to the issue at hand (the classic "error of exclusion". )
perhaps you could explain your careful selection of biased material to support your argument.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 3:19:50 PM
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And we're not talking about "extended family" in the sense of second and third cousins twice removed. This is a son of his own father. One of four of them.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 3:21:58 PM
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And we're not talking about "extended family" in the sense of second and third cousins twice removed. This is a son of his own father. One of four of them.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 3:33:49 PM
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Gee, I wonder why you would select the material you did...
Hoss, I used the first material I found. I wasn't trying to pretty up a stupid, selfish action by papa Kennedy. I've known about that little nasty a long time, I just didn't scout the Internet for something to fit your premise.
If you wish to raise papa Kennedy to sainthood in your mind, then go ahead. Reasonable people won't buy it.
Every family, yours included, has nasty secrets and shameful acts by someone (I only needed to go back to Teddy, but I wasn't the one that brought the subject up about Rosemary or tried to make anyone too ashamed to speak up). Revising history to make a whole clan to be above reproach is foolish and completely unbelieveable.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 4:40:48 PM
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Gee, I wonder why you would select the material you did...
Hoss, I used the first material I found. I wasn't trying to pretty up a stupid, selfish action by papa Kennedy. I've known about that little nasty a long time, I just didn't scout the Internet for something to fit your premise.
If you wish to raise papa Kennedy to sainthood in your mind, then go ahead. Reasonable people won't buy it.
Every family, yours included, has nasty secrets and shameful acts by someone (I only needed to go back to Teddy, but I wasn't the one that brought the subject up about Rosemary or tried to make anyone too ashamed to speak up). Revising history to make a whole clan to be above reproach is foolish and completely unbelieveable.
So, the entire troll is reduced to "the Kennedy's sought medical advice, and treatment, for their daughter - and that treatment went horribly wrong."
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's half-brother, the one born when B Obama was already an adult, of a father who had estranged himself from his family tweny years prior, and the *brother* himself , by his own statement, "ashamed" of his relationship to B Obama and frequently denies it.
i think there is nothing here but yet another Con effort to bash Obama with a whipped-up-from-thin-air accusation, frantic mudslinging in a desparate attempt to get something, anything, to stick.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 5:03:15 PM
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's half-brother, the one born when B Obama was already an adult, of a father who had estranged himself from his family tweny years prior, and the *brother* himself , by his own statement, "ashamed" of his relationship to B Obama and frequently denies it.
I wonder why that is? Could it be because Brother George is living in squalor while his big brother has only recently visited Kenya for a photo op? Seems to me that since Obama is so concerned about "the least of these" he could at least give a little help to Brother George.
But, of course, he wants the help for the poor to come from the government... not himself personally. Gee, do you think that is what Jesus meant in Matthew 25:40?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 5:09:38 PM
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"ashamed" of his relationship to B Obama
He's not ashamed of his relationship but rather the article states:
Embarrassed by his penury, he said that he does not does not mention his famous half-brother in conversation.
pen·u·ry (pny-r)
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1. Extreme want or poverty; destitution.
2. Extreme dearth; barrenness or insufficiency.
He is ashamed of his poverty not NObama. He has a picture of NObama from the newspaper:
Vanity Fair also noted that he had a front page newspaper picture of his famous brother
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 5:32:26 PM
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i think there is nothing here but yet another Con effort to bash Obama with a whipped-up-from-thin-air accusation, frantic mudslinging in a desparate attempt to get something, anything, to stick.
I take that as admission that you cannot backup your lame assertions and that you, in fact, are the troll.
A realistic look at the whole episode leaves nothing but a sense of disgust to an intelligent adult.
What teeny bit of respect I had left for your faux erudition was seriously eroded by your attempt to shore up such an untenable position for some weird desire to make old man Kennedy into something that no sensible person would.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that you think Teddy was unfairly maligned for his actions at Chappaquiddick.
Sad.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 6:01:10 PM
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"Clinton took a phone call from the guy in the oval office, but as far as I know they never met. I'm assuming since he took the call, that it was legit."
Got it, you don't have a name, date, time, or any evidence of the legitimacy of the claimed relationship. pardon me, but I'll pass on commenting on disucssing the validity of this claim - as you already have done.
"The Kennedy's are wealthy beyond our understanding. They had no obstacles to caring for Rose at home except their hearts wern't in it. They didn't want her around. She was shipped to home from home (not her own) and ended up in Wisconsin."
Anyone who cares to know the real history of the Rose Mary Kennedy tragedy can look it up.
You'd know a lot more if your knowledge matched your boastfulness.
Henry Leon Ritzenthaler is his name. Clinton was still Governor when Ritzenthaler learned they had the same father, William Blythe, Jr. (Clinton's original name was William Blythe III). Ritzenthaler wrote the governor to introduce himself and sent him a copy of his birth certificate. Ritzenthaler was sick and asked Clinton information on family health history. He never heard from the Governor, who was probably too busy sexually harassing young women, tearing up the White River wilderness area, or looting a savings and loan.
"I don't want any money out of this or anything," Ritzenthaler said. "All I would like to do is meet the man. I would be honored to get to know him a little. To find out after 55 years that I've got a brother eight years younger than I am, well, that's kind of nice."
I wish I was an only child, so I'll act like it.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/21/2008 11:35:22 AM
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I keep thinking this thread is about Obama's impoverished brother - how do we keep getting sidetracked onto the Clintons and Kennedy's?
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