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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/29/2008 3:21:22 PM   
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my question is...if you do not agree with them then why keep going to their website

That is like hitting yourself in the head with a Hammer...it hurts the first time but you keep on pounding the ole head with the Hammer...


To be properly equipped (1 Peter 3:15) and for sound apologetics.. it is very helpful if you're aware of what you're dealing with.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/29/2008 3:42:50 PM   
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I would rather spend my time building my relationship with the LORD
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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/29/2008 3:51:50 PM   
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I would rather spend my time building my relationship with the LORD


Great! Remember though that we all have different callings. We each have a job to do, and apologetics is one job that some of us are called to perform.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/29/2008 3:56:38 PM   
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I would rather spend my time building my relationship with the LORD


That's great, but we're all called to be equipped not just pastors, etc..

And wonderfully... learning of false religions, cults, error, etc.. builds my relationship because I get into the Word and get the Word into me.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/29/2008 4:16:38 PM   
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This is so strange. I did laugh, but it was the uncomfortable kind of laughing. Can anyone imagine having someone coming to the office (if you were working at a funeral home) and actually asking, "hey, you got any dead people here? We want to practice our dead raising skills"

On the other hand, if you think about what she is saying and the passion she is describing it with, you can tell that she obviously wants to see an outpouring of God's mercy and power. The signs that she talks about as "proof" that God is validating the ministry are specious at best, and not to be trusted in and of themselves.

What she needs is a clearer understanding of how God works and what he clearly calls us to do, which is to preach the gospel to the lost. That is crystal clear. Going to dead bodies to pray over them is not crystal clear, although Jesus Himself went to the tomb of Lazarus.

She (Melissa) is passionate about the power of God, and obviously excited enough to proud of God and His power that she has gone to extreme lenghts to share it. I think instead of knocking her and this ministry, we need to pray for her to have a clearer vision of what God's will is for us today in the end times (preach the Gospel to the lost), and hope that her passion for the things of God will be re-routed from this strange thing of going to the physically dead and instead toward the spiritually dead living, in hopes that none would perish.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/29/2008 4:56:40 PM   
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it can be taken to an extreme...a witch hunt...that is not what JESUS said to do
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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/29/2008 5:16:14 PM   
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it can be taken to an extreme...a witch hunt...that is not what JESUS said to do



What is a "witch hunt"? Talking about false teachings, false prophets?

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 12:10:37 PM   
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Sometimes we "doctrinally sound" Christians can make a witch-hunt out of pointing out the problems with the rest of the Christian world.

The website that posted this mortuary video (with their smart-alec comments superimposed over the original youtube video) is full of tons of other harsh and critical comments about other so-call heretical ministries, etc.

Now, I agree, that "bad company corrupts good character"- thus saith the Lord. However, it is one thing to not have anything to do with something you don't agree with. It is something altogether different to host a website pointing out all the supposed faults in the Body of Christ. Its is sort of like the old censorship issue. If you don't like what is on TV, turn it off. Don't go running to some Jim Dobson rally to try to reclaim the television for Christ or some other vain campaign. We are in the world, but told not to be of the world. If God didn't want us here, He could take us home, but we are are called to be salt and light, in hopes that we might win the lost to the Savior.

Honestly, if you don't agree with a certain church's practice, leave it alone and pray for the leaders. Give it to God. Don't go to some seminar or church if you feel it doesn't preach the truth. But, my goodness, don't take up huge amounts of bandwidth for the whole world to see to expose the faults of other sinners just like yourself?

It is sort of like the parable that Jesus told about the men approaching the Temple. The Pharisee stood and thanked God that he wasn't like the unrighteous people, that he tithed and so forth. Then the sinner, cried to God for mercy for his personal sins. Jesus said, its one of my favorite lines in the NT "I tell you the truth, that man went down to his house justified" - of course he was talking about the man who admitted his own faults, not the man thanking God he was so good.

The reason I bring this up is because the Christian world today is filled with error and sin, but so is every one of us. We need to avoid what our discernment says is wrong, but at the same time not be so flagrant in pointing out in a very public way the faults of others around us. In my opinion, alittleleaven.com is almost as bad, if not worse, than the false teachers they lampoon on their site. While they may address some faulty teachings, they are encouraging a self-righteous spirit among those who watch the videos.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 12:16:38 PM   
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The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."


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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 5:44:55 PM   
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Holiday,

What we believe has consequences - eternal consequences as well.

There is a grand difference in someone nitpicking secondary issues and making mountains out of minors. As to someone standing for God's Word and warning others of absolute false teachings and false prophets.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 6:13:57 PM   
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Well, what is a secondary issue & what is a minor issue?

There are whole doctrines of deception based on what some people call "minors" and so forth.

Here is the big question: "What is Truth?" or "What is important to God" -

I would hope all here would agree with me that Christ is the "way the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father but by Him". What is important to God? One thing that is very clear from the Word is that we share Christ with the world, the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

Some of the people in these "heretical churches" may know and love the Lord. Our job is to preach Jesus to the lost and leave the results to God.

This whole idea of "exposing" the sins of other Christians (there are entire "discernment" ministries based on doing that very thing and that alone) and making such a big deal about what they teach is misguided. We are called to lift up Christ that all men may see him.

Think about this: no one would be seeing all these goofy videos if the site moderators would not have posted them. So, in the name of "exposing false teaching" - now everyone who has seen the original post has "mortuary outreach" in their minds and some here have gotten a good snicker out of it.
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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 10:10:52 PM   
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Holiday,

All very good questions.. and all questions, I and many others, have exhaustively addressed/answered here in a plethora of related threads. Many of them still active on the first page of this sub-forum.

HERE is but one link (of many) that address what the context of Scripture shows us are core essentials of biblical Christianity.

We can vehemently disagree on secondary issues over coffee and not have to divide over. But there are indeed core essentials which serve as the line of demarcation between what is Christian and what is of the kingdom of the cults.

The old adage serves us well here, "In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity...."

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 10:13:57 PM   
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Think about this: no one would be seeing all these goofy videos if the site moderators would not have posted them. So, in the name of "exposing false teaching" - now everyone who has seen the original post has "mortuary outreach" in their minds and some here have gotten a good snicker out of it.


Something else that came to my mind because of your words above - sadly, the VAST bulk of all "Christian" TV programming is made up of these false teachers and false prophets. Preaching a Gospel foreign to that found in Scripture. Preaching a false Jesus that is not the One revealed to all of mankind in the Bible.

Your issue is that Christians are obeying God's Word in testing all things in light of Scripture. It almost seems you'd rather us that obey those mandates be silent and just let the wolves continue with their merchandising of men.

Nope. Not as long as God allows me to breath, speak, and type...

In our day these false teachers have come into the churches with their books, literature, movies, psychology, and seminars, and have turned the Father's house into a den of thieves. It is time that men of God stand up and expose their errors for all to see.

The Bible admonishes us to expose error.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 10:54:48 PM   
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earthless - I admire your passion for the truth of the Word of God.

My default answer, to both myself and others when an issue arises, is "what does the Bible say about this?"

For instance, we can get carried away with guilt over not giving enough or something like that. The Bible says we are to give of our income and share, but there are parameters for that and unless we know what the Bible says, we will be ignorant and give nothing, or give with the wrong motives, or give under compulsion and so on. The Word gives us the parameters.

As far as "having nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them..." passage that I am sure you are referring to in your above post - yes, I agree. Jesus exposed falsehood when He encountered it in the Pharisees. He was angry with proper anger over the burdens the teachers of Israel laid on the citizens. He was a light in the darkness.

Jesus is still exposing falsehood today - shedding the light of truth into the hearts of those living in unbelief. It is Jesus who gives an individual the gift of having their eyes open and to be able to see who He is.

The power of sin is in the law. Paul said he would not have coveted unless the sin in him, being activated by the law, created a desire for that which is not right. People giving commandments to other people, no matter if they are teachers of error preaching extreme prosperity stuff, or an educated scholar giving verbose exposes on the cults and all the other heretics out there today - as soon as we Christians start marching around telling everyone who to believe and who not to believe, the same principle of the flesh, sin and law is activated.

I used to be a zealous anti-cult type person. Anti-witnesses, anti-mormons, etc. But that is not what God has called me to be. He has called me to be light, to abide in Him, and trust that He will do the sanctifying if I leave people with the Word in love.

We, as individual believers, cannot sanctify people, we cannot bring the Godly sorrow that leads to repentance toward God. We cannot change hearts. That is God's work. It is a work that He does by the power of His word in individuals.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 11:00:53 PM   
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Wow, if you love someone with respect to them in error you tell them the truth, least they perish. I am not talking about debateable things, but believing untruth. Letting a person Spread false gospel, and getting hurt from untruth, hurting others is like watching someone drink posion., without stopping them. I do not care if an angel tells me the wrong gospel it is written do not recieve them. I know that it is easier not to challenge anyones beliefs, it is hard. I do know that a person, who is concerned about the person caught in a web of lies, can ask the Holy Spirit of truth to make an oppurtunity, and give the words to say in a loving manner.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/30/2008 11:30:43 PM   
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Tell the person God puts in front of you the truth. Don't go out on witch-hunts in the name of the Church and try to pull down every strong hold imaginable.

I had a nice exchange with some Mormons a few years ago. I did not plan to have the exchange; I was visiting friends and the Mormons showed up. I prayed inwardly for strenght. I listened to them say the things they say, I asked them directly if they believed in Christ, they said yes, but went onto explain that that wasn't enough to have salvation, according to their teachings. I pointedly disagreed, spoke in love with them about the reality of the Gospel of eternal life through faith in Christ. They shrugged their shoulders, said a few more things, then they left. I wished them well, but made the point to tell them that I disagreed with what they said. I explained why. Still, they went on their way.

The same scenarios have played out with members from other heretical religions. But these days, I don't go around looking for a fight.

You aren't going to see me making a whole website devoted to exposing the error of Mormonism. Nor will I repost youtube videos to ridicule their errors, as the one from alittleleaven does. Yes, it is done in the spirit of reproof, but you can tell from the superimposed commentary that they are every bit as critical as a cult member telling born-again people that Jesus was just a man, or that Jesus was one way - there are others, etc.
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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/31/2008 12:25:31 AM   
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Holiday: She (Melissa) is passionate about the power of God, and obviously excited enough to proud of God and His power that she has gone to extreme lenghts to share it.


A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign... remember?

Just because someone is passionate doesn't make their passion or their motives godly. I don't care how passionate someone appears to be, false signs and wonders are seriously dangerous and serve only to lead people away from Christ. If someone is in league with proven false prophets, false teachers, and promoters of false miracles, then their passion and zeal mean absolutely nothing.

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Holiday: The same scenarios have played out with members from other heretical religions. But these days, I don't go around looking for a fight.

You aren't going to see me making a whole website devoted to exposing the error of Mormonism.


Many, many people have come out of deception because they came across an expose on the internet. I'm thankful and GLAD the information is out there for all to see. 'Extreme Prophetic' is a major promoter and pusher of false miracles along with false teachers and false prophets. People should be warned away from that organization, it's leaders, and it's associates immediately.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/31/2008 8:27:08 AM   
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Well thats true about coming out of deception. When I was bombarded with false teachings at the hands of Jehovah's Witnesses, I was thankful to God that the internet has so much in the way of addressing heresy.

BUT......there is a difference between the spirit-filled Pentecostal flavor of Christianity and the middle of the road evangelical Republican flavor. But if both brands preach Christ, the Savior, then both are Christians.

Expose the false religions that do not teach that Christ alone saves. Quit pointing fingers at other Christians who have a different expression of faith that you do. If you don't want to go to their church or be around them, that is your choice. But if they preach Christ as Savior, I wouldn't openly mock them (which is exactly what alittleleaven's website is doing - it cannot be denied. They cloak it as Biblical discernment, but the titles they put on the videos and the comments made by the moderators and posters on the sight are very critical and judgemental) and cause public division.
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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/31/2008 12:06:14 PM   
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Holiday,

FYI - I was a Pentecostal pastor for ten years. What group of Bible believing Christians do I point my finger at?

What group or preacher that preaches Christ, the Savior, do I witch hunt?

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/31/2008 12:26:42 PM   
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Holiday: Expose the false religions that do not teach that Christ alone saves. Quit pointing fingers at other Christians who have a different expression of faith that you do.


Which Christ? Many groups and individuals proclaim 'a' christ but their Christ is not the Christ of the Holy Bible.

Patricia King and the Blue Flame:

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"Recently while teaching at Glory School in Dudley, England, with Trevor and Sharon Baker, I had a spiritual encounter regarding the Blue Flame of the Lord.

As I gazed into the sun, I could feel myself being drawn towards its center, and that is when I saw it--the Blue Flame. It was so beautiful. I could feel its strength that is to be feared and respected, and also I felt its passion. The Lord gave me three points of understanding and application that I would like to share with you.

The Lord is promising an impartation of the deep things of His heart to those who fix their gaze upon Him. This is a season of increased and intensified revelation for those whose lives are completely His.

Our friend Faisal Malick from Covenant of Life Ministries adds these thoughts:

“The blue flame of the Lord represents purity of revelation and wisdom. Revelation is unveiling hidden wisdom in the right season."

When the Kairos time comes for hidden wisdom to be revealed in the earth, the deep of the Father connects with the deep of our spirits, and Holy Spirit impregnates us with revelation knowledge wrapped in the seed of His Word. As a result, hidden wisdom foreordained unto our Glory in Christ is unlocked.

Then forerunners come forth out of the wilderness impregnated with revelation knowledge in the womb of their spirit. They carry the baby, or steward the revelation in the midst of persecution and affliction with great joy, knowing that they must give birth to the plans of the Spirit into the earth.

Then the season comes where they actually speak forth by the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, making known even to the principalities and powers the wisdom of God, that was hidden long before even principalities existed.

This then provides a death blow to the devil and the gates of hell which can not prevail against revelation knowledge, and allows the will of Heaven to be done on earth as it is in Heaven.”

“The WORD is forever settled in Heaven but must be established in earth.”

Let’s embrace the Blue Flame and allow Him to burn strong in our hearts. May we truly be known as those He makes to be His ministers–flames of fire (Psalm 104:4).


The above is one big Dominionist LIE. The truth has already been established and revealed IN FULL by Jesus Christ and He will crush satan, yet she denies the work of Christ and claims a 'special people' must accomplish these things. Patricia King is contradicting scripture at every turn and that makes her nothing more than a liar and a false prophet. No one can be for Christ and deny Him at the same time.

Bottom line: The God of the Holy Bible didn't tell tell her any of those things... so which 'god' did??

Interesting side note: While you won't find Patricia King's 'Blue Flame' anywhere in the Bible, you will find the Blue Flame similarly described by New Age 'Ascended Masters' as channeled through others.

Patricia King and company spouts Latter Rain heresy and New Age concepts which are not Biblical and definitely not Christian. Do you honestly not understand the seriousness of false prophets and false teachers? Do you honestly not grasp how destructive false signs and wonders really are?? Here's what the Bible says on the subject:

2 Pet 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.

Rom 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naïve people.

1 Jn 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

Matt 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles. 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. “

Matt 24:23 “At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect – if that were possible.”

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evil doers!”

2 Thess 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Rev 16:14 ... for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.


It doesn't matter how much zeal, passion, or 'good intentions' they appear to have, false prophets and false teachers are false all the same. They have been condemned by God, and they should be noted and avoided per God's instructions.

If you still wish to uphold false prophets and ignore their destructive deception as 'different expressions of faith', that's certainly your choice but just don't expect others to follow suit. I'll stick with following God's word.

'A Little Leaven's' video commentary aside [which at times is just calling a spade a spade], if someone is stirred to dig deeper into Extreme Prophetic and test their teachings against scripture because of that video, I can only rejoice. As for myself - as long I'm here on earth, I will continue to sound the alarm against false teachers, false prophets, and false signs and wonders.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/31/2008 2:05:58 PM   
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Earthless and lw9 - I have sent each of you a private message. I am done posting in this thread. The tone is getting off here and what we are doing now is beginning to turn into vain arguments. If I have offended anyone with my views on this matter I ask that you forgive me. I don't like heretical teachings either, but my ways of dealing with it is different than many in the Church today.

If agree that Christ is Savior and thus sovereign, we need to trust in that. You have all made good points, but this will go on forever and it doesn't have to. My main point of opposition is with those who find it right to go "exposing" everything they don't like.

I wish you all the best.
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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/31/2008 3:18:31 PM   
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I agree with Holiday...

the main point I am trying to make in most of these threads it that it is not done in LOVE as JESUS told us to walk in...

Earthless the video you had me watch I heard what the man said ...and I am still studying some things not because what he said was untrue but because of my own questions I have ...but if I was a wounded person the way he presented what he had to say was in the very LEAST done in love. He was rude and presented himself as he knows it all and everyone else is an idot...that is NOT what JESUS told us to do...how do you bring people to CHRIST (the Truth) when you make then feel like they are stupid? JESUS NEVER did that in the scriptures...


reminder: I never said that what the man said was error it was his presentation...btw one question I had while he spoke was "Why did GOD say HE hated Esau?" the LORD showed me why Gen 27:41 to me it was the same thing Cain had in his heart. Jacob was humble before the LORD Esau was not...
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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 8/31/2008 5:34:23 PM   
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"Why did GOD say HE hated Esau?" the LORD showed me why Gen 27:41 to me it was the same thing Cain had in his heart. Jacob was humble before the LORD Esau was not...


Teclils you are too anxious to hear from the Lord on things and you need to work on your discernment. Read what the Apostle Paul had to say about this in Romans:

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Romans 9:11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." NIV

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Whenever you or anyone else believes or says they have heard a "word from the Lord" check it to the scriptures and see if it matches up.

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If someone is in league with proven false prophets, false teachers, and promoters of false miracles, then their passion and zeal mean absolutely nothing.


Where do you see that? There were false teachers mentioned in churches of the bible- Galatians and Corinthians come to mind. What you have just mentioned is nothing that I read from Paul.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 9/1/2008 12:32:23 AM   
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lw9: If someone is in league with proven false prophets, false teachers, and promoters of false miracles, then their passion and zeal mean absolutely nothing.


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rlj: Where do you see that? There were false teachers mentioned in churches of the bible- Galatians and Corinthians come to mind. What you have just mentioned is nothing that I read from Paul.


I never claimed that was from Paul or anyone else in the Bible, for that matter. Point: Being passionate does not mean one is righteous or godly, it doesn't mean one is saved, and it's not the test of truth. Being passionate about false doctrine, false teachers, and false prophets is completely meaningless.

As to the false teachers mentioned in the Bible, we do have clear instructions of what to do: Turn away from them.

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RE: Extreme Prophetic - Can they get any NUTTIER! - 9/1/2008 12:48:32 AM   
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holiday: If I have offended anyone with my views on this matter I ask that you forgive me. I don't like heretical teachings either, but my ways of dealing with it is different than many in the Church today.


You haven't offended me so there is nothing to forgive. This is a forum for discussion, so when we make the decision to come here and discuss the issues, we should all be able to do that without being offended at every turn, and that includes me. You have the right to express your views and everyone else has the right to respond, so no worries there.

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If agree that Christ is Savior and thus sovereign, we need to trust in that. You have all made good points, but this will go on forever and it doesn't have to. My main point of opposition is with those who find it right to go "exposing" everything they don't like.


It depends on who you're talking about and how they are going about it. For myself and many of the discernment sites I have visited [not talking about 'A Little Leaven' since I haven't read this one too much], this isn't a matter of exposing things I [or they] don't happen to personally like. Personal preferences or personal opinion have nothing to do with it. It's very much a matter of God's word and commandments. It's a matter of doing as the Bible says and examining all things in light of scripture. It's a matter of warning people about deceptions because I really care about them. It's a matter of obeying the Biblical command to love my neighbor and tell them the truth.

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