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zippty_day -> True Religion (8/15/2008 12:29:46 PM)

James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.



4IMPersuaded -> RE: True Religion (8/16/2008 7:06:22 PM)

What is your question, funny_girl?



rcjames -> RE: True Religion (8/16/2008 7:35:21 PM)

Seems like it says to help those in need and cannot help themselves; and do not sin. Sounds like true religion to me.

Thanks
RC



colliefan -> RE: True Religion (8/16/2008 8:13:52 PM)

It is helping those who truly cannot help themselves and avoiding being sucked into the world's system so that one thinks as does the world instead of thinking with the mind of Christ.



monk-monk -> RE: True Religion (8/27/2008 11:25:13 PM)

true religion is to love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and thy neighbor too. feed the hungery, visit the sick, clothe the naked, and minister the word to the world.



rcjames -> RE: True Religion (8/28/2008 9:03:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pd-jd-jd-ad-cd-td

true religion is to love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and thy neighbor too. feed the hungery, visit the sick, clothe the naked, and minister the word to the world.


And, "Go and sin no more".


Thanks
RC



dyluck -> RE: True Religion (9/3/2008 12:01:41 PM)

You know its weird, but for some reason, people don't correlate "loving thy God with all thy heart" with repenting from sin and not clinging to the world.

Love isn't some gushy feeling and a euphoric smile "Oh I love Jesus".
This is expressing love for God: 1 John 5:3.

Love for God is followed up by life long action (repenting / overcoming / continuing / 2 steps back 1 step forward) in Jesus - 1 John 2:28) . Christ calls us to bear fruit. He says he will "cut down and burn the trees that do not bear fruit and throw them in the fire" Matthew 3:10.

We see the trials of a True Christian in 1 John in its entirety.

I am sure you would agree, rcjames, that its a shame we have to add "go and sin no more" because if you love God with all your heart then you will automatically submit to God and obey Him and follow His commandments. Do not be a slave to sin - Romans 6:6 /6:16.

monk-monk - You mention "feed the hungry, visit the sick, clothe the naked, and minister the word to the world" I submit to you, is that not loving your neighbor? The question is, are you loving your neighbor because it is what you should do or because it feels good to you? or are you doing it simply because you love Jesus and it comes automatically to you?



rcjames -> RE: True Religion (9/3/2008 5:35:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dyluck
I am sure you would agree, rcjames, that its a shame we have to add "go and sin no more" because if you love God with all your heart then you will automatically submit to God and obey Him and follow His commandments. Do not be a slave to sin - Romans 6:6 /6:16.


yes I agree, and I take it a little farther in my teachings.

Along with loving God with all our heart etc. Jesus also says we are to love one another thusly;

(Joh 15:12) This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

I firmly believe that if we are walking in this love that we are commanded to walk in we will not sin.;

If I love my neighbor as Christ loves me I could not steal from him, lie about him, or damage him in any way.

If I love my with the way Christ love me I could not commit adultery or be abusive or non-supportive.

If I loved myself the way God loved me I could not put drugs in my body, abuse myself, etc.

So we do this;

(Mat 22:36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

(Mat 22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(Mat 22:38) This is the first and great commandment.

(Mat 22:39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

(Mat 22:40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

we will be walking in true religion and sinning no more.

Thanks
RC



sidgin -> RE: True Religion (9/3/2008 9:07:45 PM)

Yes you would be walking in religion but not IN Christ



sisrev -> RE: True Religion (9/4/2008 8:36:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sidgin

Yes you would be walking in religion but not IN Christ


"Religion" is NOT a four-letter-word!

There is a difference between "true religion"--as quoted from the Word of God, by the way--and what most people think of when they hear the word "religion", which is "man's religion."

"Man's religion", which is salvation through and by works, is not what is being discussed here. "True religion" includes good works that come from a heart full of Christ.

How can you say that this is walking in religion but not IN Christ?



makarizo -> RE: True Religion (9/6/2008 10:28:52 AM)

religion:
-a cultural or behavioural aspect of ritual, liturgy and organized worship, often involving a priesthood, and societal norms of morality, ethics and virtue.

if that ^ is the definition of religion, then taking care of widows and orphans would be nothing more than a ritual.



dyluck -> RE: True Religion (9/11/2008 8:57:46 PM)

"True Religion" is the definition of the conformity of submission onto Christ in love. I agree being "religious" in terms of stereotypical idle works does not make you saved nor make you a Christian.

Matthew 7:21-23
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

True Religion however is practicing the morality, ethics, commandments and virtue in whom you follow with full faith and submission to his will in your love for God.

Romans 6:16
"Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?"

Romans 6:18
"You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

You must become a new creature! Created in the supernatural work of God! by belief in Jesus, faith, ongoing repentance and obedience.

Ephesians 4:17-24
"17So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.
20You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. 21Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness."



cathy_girl69 -> RE: True Religion (9/12/2008 1:19:43 AM)

I submit that religious or belief structures are a totally natural phenomenon innate to all thinking humans. Religions represent that 'reach beyond the physical' when one realizes that not all questions can be answered through perception alone. One must then deal with abstractions; representations of reality that do not exist in reality. How do you give meaning to abstractions that you alone have deduced or felt? Create a spirit, entity, or god that has meaning within your cultural nomad. Pretty cool.
As to your second question; The proposition revealed as answer to the first question makes any answer provided to the second --- a contradiction. More clearly stated; A belief system or religion being a natural state of man makes any suggestion of man without a religion - not possible.
How then, you may ask, does one account for the atheist without falling into a contradiction? Perhaps by suggesting that the atheist is one who is comfortable with no absolutes and is therefore quite willing to continue seeking to define the abstractions generalized from reasoning in the perceptual realm. In this way the atheist chooses not to accept the rationalized abstractions of another but continues to test his own abstractions against reality.

Do forgive the wordiness of the response. I made several attempts at this and did not find a simpler way to state the thoughts.



dyluck -> RE: True Religion (9/12/2008 2:57:57 PM)

Hi cathy_girl69

In the future can you quote the question from the individual you are talking about. I was lost in who's statement you were referring your comments too.

From what I understand you are giving a generalization to "Religion and Belief" whereas some of us are taking it what is "True Religion as it relates to a Christian".

I submit that an atheist is religious. They practice unpractice. An atheist believes in nothing and therefore practices nothing or no submission to God; moreover, I submit that an evolutionist is also religious because their belief is in their science or off the writing's / words of other "practiced" men. These people base life decisions off their beliefs and practice the fruits of their belief. An Atheist for instance will argue his point of atheism, he would make works based decisions; however suffers no consequence or accountability to his or her actions.

I do not believe "religion" can encompass only spiritual aspects. People who say they aren't religious actually practice the religion of unreligion. "I'm not religious, i do what I want and follow my own rules". I submit that person is in the "religion" of self. Practice what they believe.

The true religion we are talking about here I think was probably miss-stated, however, the author has not contributed any feedback on the original comment. I think the title of this thread should have been "True Christian". the word "religion" is too general and you and I know the only true religion is Christianity. To follow Christ in every manner of life.



BenQuebec -> RE: True Religion (9/12/2008 6:57:53 PM)

I honestly don't see where the Bible says that "religion" is, in itself, a bad thing. Some folks in the church do, but such teaching seems to be extra-Biblical (though not necessary un-Biblical).

The Bible speaks of true religion in the context of it being a positive godly Christlike thing. As such, it stands to reason that it's possible to walk in religion and walk in Christ simultaneously, Biblically speaking.

I believe it to be an honorable pursuit to be Christlike in all I do, the best way I know how. If someone decides that the best way I know how is "religious" (or any other label for that matter), that's their problem, not mine. This is said, of course, not to accuse anybody here. Just speaking in general terms.

My 3 cents Canadian. Blessings! :-)



Lynn_J -> RE: True Religion (10/1/2008 11:15:02 AM)

I think the NIV explains the better usage of the word "religion" in James 1:27: "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."

The type of religion that is not acceptable is man's traditions that replace God's commands, as Jesus stated in Mark 7:7-14 (NIV): "They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.' You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men." And he said to them: 'You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.

Peace,
Lynn



rcjames -> RE: True Religion (10/1/2008 11:35:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sidgin

Yes you would be walking in religion but not IN Christ


Please explain your point, as True religion is walking in Christ IMHO.

Thanks
RC



Lynn_J -> RE: True Religion (10/1/2008 11:58:24 AM)

That's the key, RC. You got it right by adding the word "true" to religion. There's a lot of religious activity out there, inside the church as well as outside the church, but it's "true" religion that translates into a relationship with Christ and being in service to Him.

I think some of us are getting hung up over terminology here.

Peace,
Lynn



solarflare -> RE: True Religion (10/1/2008 1:07:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sidgin

Yes you would be walking in religion but not IN Christ



[sm=icon_smile_cold.gif] That, just leaves me cold.



URForgiven -> RE: True Religion (10/1/2008 2:15:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: funny_girl

James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.


James 1:27 is the definition of true religion. And all religion true or untrue is mans attempt to make himself acceptable to a perfect God.

We have a large written reminder of what failures we are at attaining that.

I thank God that Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is the antithesis of religion. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself. God doing for man what man is incapable of doing for himself.

If we were pure and faultless we would need no one to tell us how to be so, and our religion would indeed make us acceptable to God. But...there is only One who is acceptable to God the Father through their pure and faultless life, and that is Jesus Christ. And because we are indwelt by Him, we too are made acceptable to a perfect God.

Peace



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