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Ephraim -> Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (8/14/2008 4:51:40 AM)

To anyone searching for a logical answer to Bible Prophecy, this letter is for You.

In general, this is a letter that summarizes all of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the sequence of events which formed the conclusions in the letter entitled, "The Beast of Revelation 13 is Mahmoud Abbas." Revelation 13 is a puzzle, a parable whose pieces are only revealed in the progress of time.This letter will attempt to bring all the pieces together into one narrative. Since questions concerning prophecy never change and answers never change, this summary will answer almost any question.

I would like to make a couple things very clear before I begin. These are interpretations from a Christian perspective. They are not intended in any way to be antisemitic. Furthermore, I believe the Jewish people have every right to live within secure boundaries and be independent.

Nevertheless, I will continue to be in disagreement with the majority because they do not have the will or the knowledge to admit they promote a false interpretation. The interpretation I am eluding to is the Revived Roman Empire theory. This scenario has been a dead end for years. I must admit though before WWI it had some validity. No ancient interpreter could have known that the Ottoman Empire would break into so many different sovereign states. Until the fall of the Ottoman empire the only possible answer seemed to be Europe. I apologize if this narrative moves too fast. It is assumed that those reading this page are somewhat versed in Revelation. HERE WE GO.

In reference to Revelation 13:1- The Beast rising up out of the sea is the Nation of Israel as it appears after the SIX DAY WAR in 1967.

What is meant by the term Beast? In general, most interpretations have this concept correct. According to most scholars he is the leader of ten nations. When the term Beast is used it can mean either the nations or the leader of those nations. It is the countries he leads and his location that is in dispute.

My interpretation of Rev. 13:1 is as follows:

The Beast can be either a group of seven nations that will wage war, which include Israel or the leader of those nations. In this case, that leader is Mahmoud Abbas. He is identified by his actions and the number 666. The glue that binds them together is Islam and their hate for Israel. This was the outcome of the 1967 war. It brought Israel into a permanent state of conflict with all of her neighbors. The beast was born in 1948 with Israel declaring its independence. A closer look can be seen in Rev.17. When Israel declared its independence, five nations went to war with her and five were vanquished. The word used for vanquished is fallen in verse Rev. 17:10. "And one is", this is Israel. Israel won her war of independence. The other that had not yet come is the Palestinian Authority, which brings us to Rev.13:1 again. The misinterpretation of Rev.17 has been the most responsible for the the Revived Roman empire theory.

The beast rising up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns is as follows. Seven heads are seven mountains as indicated in Rev.17. Ten horns are ten kings. This is a partial explanation of this parable. The most critical word here is the word head. If the correct meaning is applied to the word head its answer will make sense. In scriptures a mountain has two meanings. It can be either a mountain range or a nation. In this case when a head is referenced in Revelation 13:1 we are talking about nations. This applies to both the heads of Rev.13:1 as well as the beasts mortal head wound. The mortal head wound is the nation or land as claimed by the Palestinians. It is the beasts head (nation) that is wounded. The Beast is Mahmoud Abbas. It was mortally wounded in the Six Day War and has been revived in the Oslo Accords. The beast of Revelation 17 and Revelation 13 are the same because they involve the same countries.

Every theory must have a good foundation. This sequence of events can only point to one individual. I have been writing about these events for over a decade. If I had been wrong from the beginning, this scenario could not have made it all the way to its finish. As it was I had no idea that I was looking for a date, 6/16/06. I was just following the money trail. Was it a coincidence that the policy which enabled them to buy and sell and the date 666 occured on the same day? I don't think so.

It is always wise to search for the best answer. Who could fault someone for changing there mind when a better answer comes along? It is not dishonor to correct a mistake, but to continue giving false information especially in the realm of prophecy is dishonorable. Maybe some truly believe what they are saying, as for me I quit the big money preachers long ago. A hundred years ago I could understand, 20 years ago I could understand, not today...This is why the Lord will come as a thief. They're all looking in the wrong place...

One last item needs to be mentioned here before I finish my complaint against our so-called prophecy teachers. It is a gross misinterpretation which needs to be cited. For some reason anytime the Beast is discussed he is immediately confused with Satan or the anti-christ. Satan is not the Beast. He is in heaven right now. He will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12 or if you prefer 2nd Thess. chap. 2. The falling away is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven. These are two different verses that say the same thing. Satan can only be revealed to the world after the Rapture of the Church. Christians will not go through the Great Tribulation which will last for 3.5 years. Satan will be a God to the Muslims. He is also known as the Mahdi. Mahmoud Abbas will also be worshipped to a lesser degree because he will have achieved his goal, the conquest of Jerusalem...W.O.Ephraim aka michael777



Sinner-Saint -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (8/14/2008 8:09:24 AM)

Uh-huh... yeah... okay. This means that and that means this...

Thanks for sharing.

And what about the beasts of Daniel 7 incorporated into nation John sees?
How about the distinct parallel between the fourth beast of Daniel 7 and the foot of the statue in Daniel 2?
Isn't the foot of the statue a direct reference to the civilization which supplants Greece: Rome?
Does not the sea refer to the Mediterannean, or the sea of people which is Europe?
Are there not seven hills in Rome; is not that city known by that feature?
And does not the ruler who will come descend from the people who destroy the city and the sanctuary?
And was that not done in prophetic fulfillment of Daniel 9:26 in A.D. 70 by the Romans?

But you want to say the final beast of a nation that is unlike all others is Israel...
And the anti-Christ comes from a people they are able to beat militarily...

And is Satan indeed in Heaven right now?
Or was he cast out after Jesus presented Himself covered in sin after His resurrection bringing men wondered at with Him from Paradise nearly 2000 years ago?
With Jesus ascended to Heaven as our Lord; is there any room or need for an accuser after God has rebuked him twice?



Diolectic -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (8/14/2008 11:16:16 AM)

Chapter 13
Note: I reference this whole chapter to the third and fourth seal which is the black horse and the pale green horse with the rider being called death that hell follows. The rider here is the only one who is named of the four horsemen. Since there are two characters in this passage, they could be compared to the Anti-Christ and the false prophet.
Rev 13:1 And the dragon stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten diadems, and on its heads names of blasphemy. Ref.( Rev. 12:3, 17:3)
Note: And he/it stood on the sand of the sea.
Some earlier translations have this in the last verseof the previous chapter.

Daniel 7:3
The sand of the sea are Israel from Gen 22:17
I reference this whole chapter to the third and fourth seal which is the black horse and the pale green hors with the rider being called death that hell follows.

This beast in Rev 13:1 is not described with a color as the two in Rev 12:3 & Rev 17:3, and we may conclude that it is the same character as described in Rev 17:3
This beast does have ten crowns, as the dragon has seven crowns.

This beast isn't the Anti-Christ as people have thought, it is actually the Roman empire.

:2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet as of a bear, and its mouth as a lion's mouth. And the dragon gave its power to it, and its throne, and great authority.
Note: This beast will have all character traits of the three beasts in Daniel 7:3-6 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. :4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. :5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. :6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it Babylon is the lion, Persia is the bear, leopard is Greece...

If this beast is like the ones in Daniel, it is most likely a kingdom & not a man.
Since it hasseveral heads, this must be true

:3 And I saw one of its heads, as having been slain to death, and its deadly wound was healed. And all the earth wondered after the beast.
Note: This could be a political wound, as the Roman empire was thought to have gone but now come back.

:4 And they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, who is like the beast; who is able to make war with it?
:5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given to it. And authority to act forty two months was given to it.
Note: A representative

:6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those that dwell in Heaven.
Note: This verse Rev. 13:10 & Rev. 13:17 is the best description of the third seal.

:7 And it was given to it to war with the saints, and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation.
(Ref. Dan. 7:12, 21, 25 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.,21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them,25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.)

:8 And all those dwelling in the earth will worship it, those of whom the names had not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb having been slain from the foundation of the world.
:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
:10 If anyone gathers captivity, into captivity he goes. If anyone will kill by a sword, by a sword he must be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (Ref. Rev. 6:5,6)
:11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. And it had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon.
Note: Daniel 7:17
These two horns are both the Anti-christ & his false prophet.
If Dan 8:20 is two men, then this beast is two men.
...and he had horns like a lamb, and (both horns) spoke like a dragon.

:12 And it executes all the authority of the first beast before it. And it causes that the earth and those dwelling in it should worship the first beast, of which was healed its deadly wound.
:13 And it does great signs, that it even causes fire to come down out of the heaven onto the earth before men. (Ref. 2Ki 1:10 & Revelation 19:20)
:14 And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the signs which were given to it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth to make an image to the beast who has the wound of the sword, and lived.
Note: ...giving speeches to those dwelling on the earth to ordaine a representativ to the beast.

Revelation 19:20

:15 And was given to it to give life to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Note: And was given to it(the beast) to give a breath to the ordained representativ of the beast.

:16 And the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, it causes that they give to them all a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads,
:17 even that not any could buy or sell, except the one having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.
Note: economic persecution from the third seal.

:18 Here is wisdom: Let the one having reason count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man and its number is six hundred and sixty six.
Note: six is the number of man, and three represents the trinity. 666 represents man trying to be god or like god.
Here is wisdom: Let the one having reason figure the number of the beast, for it is the lot of a man and its lot is ???
chi xi stigma
or
In the name of Allah

It is not 6,6,6 ??? but 600,60,6 or 666
Therefore, since it is not 6,6,6 ???, there must be a reason for the 600,60 ?? along with the 6 ?. Is it for the reason of making it look like the words "In the Name of Allah" or "Bismalah"?



Ephraim -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (12/18/2008 4:07:53 PM)

Who are the antagonists of Revelation 13; Christian, Muslim or Jew?
Shouldn't we all know this answer by now? Ephraim aka Michael777



Wayfaring Stranger -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (12/18/2008 5:50:31 PM)

I stopped reading as soon as you tried to identify somebody as the man of sin.



Ephraim -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (12/18/2008 7:16:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayfaring Stranger

I stopped reading as soon as you tried to identify somebody as the man of sin.


I'm sorry you feel that way. It's because of this attitude that I normally stay away from this forum. I'm sure you don't represent everyone though. It is a shame though that the only people who can find enough time to type a response are those with negative remarks. Michael777aka Ephraim



Wayfaring Stranger -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (12/18/2008 8:31:42 PM)

Hi Ephraim,
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ORIGINAL: Ephraim

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ORIGINAL: Wayfaring Stranger

I stopped reading as soon as you tried to identify somebody as the man of sin.


I'm sorry you feel that way. It's because of this attitude that I normally stay away from this forum. I'm sure you don't represent everyone though. It is a shame though that the only people who can find enough time to type a response are those with negative remarks. Michael777aka Ephraim

I'm not trying to speak for anybody but me. I just stay away from date-setters and those who like to pin the False Prophet title onto somebody, it doesn't matter who it is. On a site like GLP I would have said the very same thing.
How is that not slander, basically you are making a judgement call on somebody that make them evil through and through. Just like when the JW used to predict the day that nobody but God knows. When those dates came and went without any change it was an embarrassment to them and it ruined what they had to say about other Scriptures, even though they may have gotten it right nobody was taking them seriously anymore. I do the same for posts that try and predict a specific 'who' for a variety of positions that are (usually) evil positions to be in.

That's why I stopped where I did.

Later



Ephraim -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (12/18/2008 10:23:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayfaring Stranger

Hi Ephraim,
quote:

ORIGINAL: Ephraim

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayfaring Stranger

I stopped reading as soon as you tried to identify somebody as the man of sin.


I'm sorry you feel that way. It's because of this attitude that I normally stay away from this forum. I'm sure you don't represent everyone though. It is a shame though that the only people who can find enough time to type a response are those with negative remarks. Michael777aka Ephraim

I'm not trying to speak for anybody but me. I just stay away from date-setters and those who like to pin the False Prophet title onto somebody, it doesn't matter who it is. On a site like GLP I would have said the very same thing.
How is that not slander, basically you are making a judgement call on somebody that make them evil through and through. Just like when the JW used to predict the day that nobody but God knows. When those dates came and went without any change it was an embarrassment to them and it ruined what they had to say about other Scriptures, even though they may have gotten it right nobody was taking them seriously anymore. I do the same for posts that try and predict a specific 'who' for a variety of positions that are (usually) evil positions to be in.

That's why I stopped where I did.

Later


I think I'll go one more round before I call it later...

First of all, I did not set any dates. Furthermore, I have never named the false prophet. I have never named him because I saw no reason to name him. I figured by naming the beast everyone could see who the false prophet was. This is really amazing to me. I have been posting prophecy for over 12 years and this is the last place I want to be, right here in this forum. Christians are to prophecy as Jews are to God. They haven't got a clue and no one plus an army could make them understand.

Since according to you I have committed slander, let's take that one step further. I haven't named the false prophet until this very post. I will not keep silent anymore. Here he is.
The false prophet is Ishmael Haniyeh. Most of you probably don't know who he is, so indulge me for a second. Ishmael Haniyeh is the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip. He shared power with Abbas for a short time during 2006 in the Unity Government.

When Hamas chose not to honor the image of the beast, the international community cut off support to Abbas and the Palestinians. The image of the beast is three items; honoring all prior Palestinian agreements, recognizing Israel's right to exist and a renunciation of terror. Hamas enters the picture in Revelation 13:11. They are one horn of the beast just as Abbas is also a horn. A horn is a king. Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast Abbas and caused them to worship the first beast (Abbas). Why did Haniyeh cause them to worship the first beast?
Because Hamas would not honor or abide by any prior Palestinian agreements and continued to sponsor terrorism, he caused the whole world to honor the image of the beast (which was Abbas and his government without Hamas). By not honoring or worshipping the image, Hamas caused the whole world to reject Hamas. Now I know this is just exactly the opposite of what Christians are taught. They think the false prophet is supposed to lead worship of some man-like image, which is totally wrong. The Image is the Palestinian Government prior to the arrival of Hamas as a part in it...

Michael777



AbbyGrace -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (12/18/2008 11:39:08 PM)

quote:

One last item needs to be mentioned here before I finish my complaint against our so-called prophecy teachers. It is a gross misinterpretation which needs to be cited. For some reason anytime the Beast is discussed he is immediately confused with Satan or the anti-christ. Satan is not the Beast. He is in heaven right now. He will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12 or if you prefer 2nd Thess. chap. 2. The falling away is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven. These are two different verses that say the same thing. Satan can only be revealed to the world after the Rapture of the Church. Christians will not go through the Great Tribulation which will last for 3.5 years. Satan will be a God to the Muslims. He is also known as the Mahdi. Mahmoud Abbas will also be worshipped to a lesser degree because he will have achieved his goal, the conquest of Jerusalem...W.O.Ephraim aka michael777


What? Please give me Scripture for this...



Ephraim -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (12/19/2008 12:09:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AbbyGrace

quote:

One last item needs to be mentioned here before I finish my complaint against our so-called prophecy teachers. It is a gross misinterpretation which needs to be cited. For some reason anytime the Beast is discussed he is immediately confused with Satan or the anti-christ. Satan is not the Beast. He is in heaven right now. He will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12 or if you prefer 2nd Thess. chap. 2. The falling away is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven. These are two different verses that say the same thing. Satan can only be revealed to the world after the Rapture of the Church. Christians will not go through the Great Tribulation which will last for 3.5 years. Satan will be a God to the Muslims. He is also known as the Mahdi. Mahmoud Abbas will also be worshipped to a lesser degree because he will have achieved his goal, the conquest of Jerusalem...W.O.Ephraim aka michael777


What? Please give me Scripture for this...


Hi AbbyGrace,
Can you be more specific? I cite two verses in the quote.
What I need is your exact question. Your looking for something
specific. If I answered your question as is, it could be quite
extensive. Some answers can be parables, while some are straight
verses. Michael777



Wayfaring Stranger -> RE: Revelation XIII by W.O.Ephraim (12/19/2008 1:36:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ephraim
First of all, I did not set any dates. Furthermore, I have never named the false prophet. I have never named him because I saw no reason to name him. I figured by naming the beast everyone could see who the false prophet was. This is really amazing to me. I have been posting prophecy for over 12 years and this is the last place I want to be, right here in this forum. Christians are to prophecy as Jews are to God. They haven't got a clue and no one plus an army could make them understand.

Is that the reason you chose the name of the first-born of Christ, because you are a non-Christian and get mixed up determining who is who?
If none of us have a clue why does one of the first you have reply from say you did do just what you claim to not have done. The 3 baddest in the trib are Satan is the 1st beast in ch:13), the False Prophet is the 2nd beast in that chapter, the 3rd, the Beast from the Pit is in another chapter. Since only 1 is a man you did try and name him, you were just wrong on which beast. I didn't say you were a date setter, you are in the 2nd group that I tend to ignore for the 2 reasons I stated, it's rude and most likely in error, in your case the latter is definitely there.

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ORIGINAL: Ephraim
Since according to you I have committed slander, let's take that one step further. I haven't named the false prophet until this very post. I will not keep silent anymore. Here he is.
The false prophet is Ishmael Haniyeh. Most of you probably don't know who he is, so indulge me for a second. Ishmael Haniyeh is the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip. He shared power with Abbas for a short time during 2006 in the Unity Government.

This is the way it actually goes.
Beast from the Pit, origin:angelic
Re:13:1:
And I stood upon the sand of the sea,
and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns,
and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
The 7 heads represent the number of corrupt world leaders he has had since Adam(too long to set out the finer details) This beast was the 1st leader Satan ever appointed, his first time at torturing people was before the flood, being put in the pit was his wound. The other heads are eras (or empires) after the flood, 6 in total other than the Beast and Satan. Rome was the 6th one.
The 10 horns are 10 different languages, the 10 crowns are the leaders of those 10 different groups that the Beast will 'assist' during the trib. The names represent the different forms of corruption he has used since the time of Adam. The names would be similar to these but lying would be common to all these things.
Re:21:8:
But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and whoremongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.

The False Prophet (human)is one of the two horns, the Beast is the other horn, it is a co-rule and the human is just window dressing for the Beast. (iron and clay)
Re:13:11:
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth;
and he had two horns like a lamb,
and he spake as a dragon.
Re:13:12:
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed.

The 10 men given kingdoms by the Beast lose 3 to the False Prophet through war or deception at a known point in that 3 1/2 years. (again too much detain to include here)

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ORIGINAL: Ephraim
When Hamas chose not to honor the image of the beast, the international community cut off support to Abbas and the Palestinians. The image of the beast is three items; honoring all prior Palestinian agreements, recognizing Israel's right to exist and a renunciation of terror. Hamas enters the picture in Revelation 13:11. They are one horn of the beast just as Abbas is also a horn. A horn is a king. Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast Abbas and caused them to worship the first beast (Abbas). Why did Haniyeh cause them to worship the first beast?
Because Hamas would not honor or abide by any prior Palestinian agreements and continued to sponsor terrorism, he caused the whole world to honor the image of the beast (which was Abbas and his government without Hamas). By not honoring or worshipping the image, Hamas caused the whole world to reject Hamas. Now I know this is just exactly the opposite of what Christians are taught. They think the false prophet is supposed to lead worship of some man-like image, which is totally wrong. The Image is the Palestinian Government prior to the arrival of Hamas as a part in it...

Michael777

Since the first paragraph in your 1st post was in error this is way off the mark.
Who had you pegged as being the bad guys before these two and when is your next update on who the next ones will be (assuming all these guys will live to die of old-age rather than having God strike them down cold.



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