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RE: maturity - 8/15/2008 8:03:48 AM
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P31W
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People that have been sitting in churches for years are still "immature" and ignorant because they don't read for themselves and just take what other people say about it as "gospel truth."
I agree with you Hayseed and would even add that I am not sure these types of people are saved. The most I can say about them is that they take their salvation forgranted. If they don't take God's word serious then they probably don't take their walk with God serious either.
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Let me ask this: Do you believe that God still has prophets and apostles called? Or is "Pastor" the highest authority today?
Sorry I missed you saying that anyone could answer. I don't believe in modern day apostles or prophets. The Highest Authority in our church is Jesus. Followed by our pastor and deacon board. Their authority is that of being a servant/leader. The entire "membership' is charged with insuring the doctrine remains sound. So in that respect I hold the same authority as our Pastor or the deacons. It's one of the reasons we have a Church Covenant. In that members agree to hold up the doctrine we came in under in the Chruch.
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RE: maturity - 8/16/2008 9:56:22 AM
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I was discussing this topic with a pastor last year and he made the statement that "you can't measure the level of maturity in people or the level of discipleship in a fellowship."
I disagree. We can look at our children and measure level of maturity by the skills and actions they display in time. For example: At a certain age they should be toilet trained and if they're not we know there's a problem. There are things we expect out of them at a certain age.
The same is true for believers.
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RE: maturity - 8/17/2008 10:15:52 AM
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so...fruit really does matter?
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RE: maturity - 8/17/2008 11:28:19 AM
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According to Jesus it does. He talks about it all the time.
In his conversation with the "rich young ruler" He answered the question with some really hard stuff about what it would take for the guy to do. It ended up that the comfort was more important than "inheriting eternal life" to the man.
Notice that Jesus didn't chase him down to give him easier options or just say that he was okay and there's a "plan b" that he could choose at a "lower cost" and still "get in."
Obviously, it wasn't about just sitting around listening to other teachers and making sure he went to synagogue every week. There was some action and growth required.
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RE: maturity - 8/17/2008 5:19:15 PM
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so...fruit really does matter?
I was taught long ago that the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22) is the key to Christian maturity, not the gifts of the Spirit. We tend to focus on our giftedness, like the Corinthians. They were exercising their gifts freely, but did not show maturity. The fruit of the Spirit is all about building Godly character, which is the essence of maturity, IMO.
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RE: maturity - 8/18/2008 8:23:15 AM
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Hebrews
11We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. 12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
This was the focal passage of my lesson yesterday. I used the illustration of a baby eating a bug because they were not mature enough to distinguish between good and bad.
My focus was on our willingness and desire to mature in the Lord by applying each principle and truth we learn and doing it consistantly.
James 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says
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RE: maturity - 8/18/2008 12:20:34 PM
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God is love.
I see alot of Christians that know the Bible very well. Can quote verses without looking.
I see alot of Christians that are very active in Church, but until I see LOVE, I don't think they are mature.
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RE: maturity - 8/18/2008 3:08:08 PM
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God is love.
I see alot of Christians that know the Bible very well. Can quote verses without looking.
I see alot of Christians that are very active in Church, but until I see LOVE, I don't think they are mature.
Your definition of love or the Biblical definition of love?
The two greatest commandments can be a real stickler for genuineness, huh?
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