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RE: maturity - 8/13/2008 11:32:44 PM
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solarflare
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Anybody here. I'm trying to get a frame of reference of where people are coming from.
If an individual quotes Scripture and uses the Bible as their 'frame of reference" what makes you think you can get a better frame of reference of where 'they' are coming from? What you are really asking, is what do we believe. Scripture.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 8:17:31 AM
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Man two pages!!! That blew me away.
I like what many of you are saying. The scripture and quotes you are using.
I am going to give an example of what I believe a mature believer would do vs an immature believer.
I am a stickler about "insurance". The liability type that helps pay for any harm I may have caused another. (auto, home, business, umbrella, etc) And medical insurance because I know if I am in an accident I "will be" taken to a hospital and seen by a doctor and it's not right for me to expect them to pay for it. I am also a stickler for people to have disability insurance because it's our responsibility and not others. I believe if you need life insurance incase you die and leave a young family it's the only "loving thing" to do not just for them but for society as a whole whom they would be forced to support them.
I have discovered that this concept which for me is just "loving others" is a very foreign to many that I believe to be mature Christians in many areas of their life. For them insurance is about protecting themselves and not much consideration is given to protecting those who may "suffer" because of my neglect or indifferance. The lightbulb went off for me about a decade ago when someone presented that to me. It made perfect sense.
For "me" that was a mark of maturity. For them it was not even something they ever considered and I don't even have a clue why it would not be.
It just struck me yesterday in the other thread how each poster believed their stance was from a place of maturity (myself included) and the person whom the OP was talking about came from a place of immaturity.
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Something else that struck me as kinda a maturity issue was this forum and the idea some have that if we don't all agree on all gray areas then there is something wrong with the other person. God never said we "all" as in each of us needed to agree on gray areas. Maybe there are several "truths" in those gray areas such as GroupW pointed out in another thread. Maybe there is no reason for us to agree on gray areas because we each "live in" a differant area where gray topics are going to be a sin in one place and not in another "because" of the culture we live in. ROFL I bet that didn't make any sense at all. 
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 8:26:40 AM
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When thesae Scriptures are fulfilled in our lives; we are mature.
Do you know anyone who has all of those scriptures down pat?
A mature christian is humble enough to know he needs more maturing. When ya think you are mature...that is a sure sign you are not.
I'm not. I don't know what tommorow will hold. I think I am on the right path...and it never seems to last or another new thing comes up to challenge me.
I really can't understand anyone proclaiming maturity in Christ.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 8:39:47 AM
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When thesae Scriptures are fulfilled in our lives; we are mature.
Do you know anyone who has all of those scriptures down pat?
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I really can't understand anyone proclaiming maturity in Christ.
I have had the privaledge to know a few that I felt exhibited all those passages through their lives.
I do agree that if someone runs around telling folks how mature that they are; they probably do not have a handle on humbility as of yet.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 8:49:45 AM
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SonInMe1
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Thanks RC
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 9:10:31 AM
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Anybody here. I'm trying to get a frame of reference of where people are coming from.
Trust me, it's not "off topic."
RC's on to something here and he's brought an extremely pertinent scripture to us.
Sorry, Hayseed, but I guess with me you're going to have to be more direct, more specific. For example, RC posted a number of scriptures---do you have something specific in regard to one of them that you want to discuss re: maturity?
Maturity is not about our attainment. John the Baptist said, "He must increase and I must decrease." Perhaps that statement is the best scriptural description of what maturity in Christ is. We become less focused on the 'I' and know more and more that it is all about Jesus.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 10:20:35 AM
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Endurance under adversity produces maturity, which is expressed through humility and wisdom.
See: Book of James
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 10:41:30 AM
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Endurance under adversity produces maturity, which is expressed through humility and wisdom.
See: Book of James
Yes, unfortunately, most every valuable lesson we learn comes from falling flat on our faces. God matures us through trails and tribulations. We learn in the valley's, what we enjoy on the mountaintop. When we come face to face with our own inadequacy, it moves us to turn to Him and His total sufficiency.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 10:45:43 AM
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Hayseed
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Anybody here. I'm trying to get a frame of reference of where people are coming from.
If an individual quotes Scripture and uses the Bible as their 'frame of reference" what makes you think you can get a better frame of reference of where 'they' are coming from? What you are really asking, is what do we believe. Scripture.
Because there is a large section of Christianity that believes and teaches that things like spiritual gifts, prophets, etc. are "not for today" and they ceased.
That's why I'd like a frame of reference as to where people are coming from so I can understand their terminology.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 10:53:47 AM
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solarflare
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Well I knew all along that Mr. Hayseed was not looking for a needle in the haystack but just wanted to know where I stood on the subject of Apostles etc..........which is why I posted Eph. 4:11...and then the comment that what he is really asking is what we But really me,believe.
I believe that you are barking up the wrong tree. I am not sitting in the tree of unbelief. And, I think you understood quite well when I wrote that calling people out is not a sign of maturity. Any other thing you may believe about me, is conjecture on your part.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 10:56:36 AM
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Hayseed
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Well I knew all along that Mr. Hayseed was not looking for a needle in the haystack but just wanted to know where I stood on the subject of Apostles etc..........which is why I posted Eph. 4:11...and then the comment that what he is really asking is what we But really me,believe.
I believe that you are barking up the wrong tree. I am not sitting in the tree of unbelief. And, I think you understood quite well when I wrote that calling people out is not a sign of maturity. Any other thing you may believe about me, is conjecture on your part.
DUDE! Chill out!
I think people know me enough here to back me up when I tell you that if I was trying to say something to YOU I would have come out and said it!
Interestingly enough this is a discussion and there are others involved that I'd like to know too.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 11:01:24 AM
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I think people know me enough here to back me up when I tell you that if I was trying to say something to YOU I would have come out and said it!
DUDE....why are you quoting me if you are addressing everyone? I have never seen you post anywhere ... you are off topic... why don't you take it to the 'gifts' threads? Spiritual gifts are to build up the body of Christ but let's be honest........they are often hideously misused and have taken the place of God's Word. That, is where I am coming from. So, DUDE, if you are not asking me..........then do not quote me.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 11:08:54 AM
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Hayseed
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Read the post where I asked the question. Did I quote you?
I quoted you when I was just asking for clarification on what you were trying to say in your post because I just simply didn't understand your meaning. I wasn't going after you. I simply wanted to understand what you were saying better.
Sorry, I didn't know asking questions was out of order and "off topic."
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 11:10:48 AM
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solarflare
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Why don't you let it go? I know I'm going to. Thanks!
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 11:13:45 AM
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Hayseed
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Because, you decided to tear into me and tell me, and everyone else what I was saying. You mischaracterized me and I want to set the record straight.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 12:06:39 PM
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Hayseed
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I guess I'm out of place here because I don't have the omniscience others seem to, to know exactly what's in other peoples' minds and hearts.
Sorry that I just didn't reply even though I knew I was misunderstanding what someone was trying to say. Instead, like a fool, I took the opportunity to ask; thinking it was okay and even the right thing to do.
I guess I'm not mature enough to be in this discussion.
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My entire goal in life is to live exactly like the man who was falsely accused of being a drunkard, heretic and a friend of sinners by the religious people. So, don't be surprised if I'm not too concerned if you think ill of me.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 12:48:53 PM
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WesP
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I guess I'm out of place here because I don't have the omniscience others seem to, to know exactly what's in other peoples' minds and hearts.
Sorry that I just didn't reply even though I knew I was misunderstanding what someone was trying to say. Instead, like a fool, I took the opportunity to ask; thinking it was okay and even the right thing to do.
I guess I'm not mature enough to be in this discussion.
I don't think that is true, Hayseed. My jest was because people have a tendency to present a belief and then attack any others that are in opposition. It was not directed at you.
Regarding maturity, that is a thing of the Spirit. As we journey along our walk with Christ, the Holy Spirit leads us to attain a likeness of Christ. We all fail to a lesser or greater extent. The more maturity we have, the lesser the extent. Pray for those who present greater failure, and congratulate those who present lesser.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 1:06:32 PM
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Hayseed
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I reckon there are a lot of you that don't understand why I'm saying any of this.
I was raised by people that told me that all a person really has is their word and reputation; that I should always guard my reputation and be a man of my word.
I take that very seriously for myself and others. If I do something to soil my reputation or go against my word - that's my problem and I have to live with it. I'll also apologize and take action to make amends for my own wrongs.
Now, if someone else publicly tries to tarnish my reputation and my word I expect them to be "man enough" to either back it up or apologize. Not just brush it aside and act like it's not a big deal.
So if I said or did something wrong: I want the evidence and I'll apologize.
If I didn't, then someone owes me an apology.
Like I said, I'd defend any of you if I saw it happening to you. Whether I agreed with you, liked you, or not.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 2:08:39 PM
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Ok so as to not go off on a rabbit trail in another thead.
What is "Christian maturity" and can one be mature in one area of their Christian walk and a babe in another?
WOW! This is a beautiful subject for sure and it unfolds in the Scriptures very clear, poetic, humble, exciting, somber and etc different ways about the ways of men! As lately I hooked in Proverbs.. and last night and today in Proverbs 3 it is soooo fesh in my mind it all, it is so tender and authoritative and all beauty points to Lord Jesus...and bout the fear of the Lord is just the begining of wisdom and our widomis Christ and Christ the wsdom of God and it is a shelter and the dfference between wisdon of men and of God, and the ways of the fools and the righteous and if we choose this path we can expect this and if we choose listen to the Lord is the way of victory, even if to outsiders our circunstances looks bad...evry step of the way we ae learning with Him and trusting He in us strenghtening!
Plus the Scriptures keeps unfolding and unfolding and it all is the whole counsel of God and it is alive, but this content is delivered it is "it" the Old The New, telling us, and pointing to Lord Jesus In us, now and ever! He is our everything and we are lives in progress living and learning and maturing and sometimes stucked and we learn so much when we get stucked, we grow whenwe humble ourselves before Him..well, as everybody that I know and me of course still living and running the race, we are in different stages of it..of course I tend to look for those in Scriptures, exemples as brothers and sisters who went before andit is written how they went with Christ the hope of glory inside themselves...
Paul is a brother that I do love much, who does not love him? What a beauty as we see his life and Christ inside him. Plus his ways of responsability and fear of the Lord of whom he was bond servant and to preach and teach and live the way as in his part he was given what was given to him the whole counsel and not responsable for any blood in his head for others pershing because of his teaching being false or corrupt or whatever. He was the one who praised the Bereans ways, to go search the fountain of whole counsel of Scriptures for themselves, and to know Him, eat and drink and keep knowing Him in the word and let the Spirit enlight and show and point more and more to Him alone!
I write a lot because is such beautiful subject because to grow is to grow in Him and as we see the exemples of those maturing in Him in Scriptures they become more humble, more loving, more everything He is and pointing to Him and Him alone. Now regarding leadership in religion, andtitles and credentials we may look around many times points to man, plus nowdays many people go to a school and become a "pastor" by diploma, when we see the process of calling in the Bible takes a while, learning from others, the testimony of their communities of faith and many etc it takes maturing and it takes time. Titles and credentials are easy to aquire in many places and some or many do not care to embace the whole counsel anyways, it is not a light mater of imaturity ways, but serious error and because of that grave situation we are warned of its consequences.
Now, backing to my Proverbs 3 reading I sure not want to be a fool and may God deliver me from evil one and foolishness and ignorance and have mercy on me that still learning and that my learning stick on my head that sometimes its o hard to absorve and I need patience and patience is a mark of the mature, I supose.
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RE: maturity - 8/14/2008 2:50:22 PM
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Hayseed
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Yes I am serious. Read your own words about what I was "really saying."
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