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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 1:23:12 PM
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tafkam
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Again, to the left, lying is justified....amazing...
Let's try this.....how about saying something about how great America is....and actually meaning it?
Whoa, Nellie.... 
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 2:25:24 PM
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Agree 100%. Obama is just another politician running for president. Just a little less experienced than others, but other than that, just another democrat. However in this election, like none other, the right has chosen to create this villian, this enemy. Not just an opponent. Possibly because they know McCain isn't a guy who garners a lot of enthusiam with the conservative base, they must create the scenario that we are at war with an enemy far greater than any we have encountered (as one poster wrote) since the Axis powers of WWII. A villian that good hard-working Patriotic Christian American white people have a duty to defeat, and the only way to defeat him is to vote for John McCain. The only way to save our great nation from takeover by anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-American, Muslim terrorist extremists and gangsta rappers who support this guy is NOT to stay home, NOT to vote third party, but to vote for John McCain. He's the only one who can save us. If you don't vote for McCain, YOU yourself will have shown you're not a patriotic Christian American.
Bingo.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 2:30:18 PM
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Oh, yeah, I'm sure the left has totally opposed any effort to villify John McCain by tying him to that awful "war monger" George W. Bush or any other DNC talking point you care to name.
It's a part of politics and both sides do it, so get over yourselves already...
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 4:34:46 PM
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Biggest threat to our history. As shrill as this claim is, it's outmatched by its sheer stupidity.
the right has chosen to create this villian, this enemy. Not just an opponent.
they must create the scenario that we are at war with an enemy far greater than any we have encountered (as one poster wrote) since the Axis powers of WWII.
A villian that good hard-working Patriotic Christian American white people have a duty to defeat, and the only way to defeat him is to vote for John McCain.
Get the picture?
How have they done it? First, start with the widespread panic caused by Obama's church.
Lots of churches are like that. I attended a service by the current pastor of the church, Otis Moss III. Lots of churches in the black community - baptist, methodist, COGIC, preach the same kind of message. I don't agree with it, of course, but it's true. I'm sure lots of white churches (I hate to use that term, but let's be realistic here) have had a pastor preach a message scolding America for it's stand or lack of on issues. They just do it with a little less fervor as Wright.
Then theres the flagpin. And his wife's saying she's never been proud of this country before. Pictures of him without his hand over his heart during the singing of the anthem. Then the recent commercial that had the ominous tone that he was somehow claiming to be the Messiah, a subtle reference to the way the Anti-Christ would arrive.
Now people are making a big deal about a rapper writing a song about him. Further villainizing him. The excuse is, "well, we don't know him, so these radical associations bring into question his character." Fine, so why dosen't anyone dig that deep into the associations of any of the other candidates that you "don't know"? Why is this guy so different?
Don't make me state the obvious.
- Julius
saved9201,
Like I have indicated before, I am just not sure where you stand, so please forgive me if I call you an Obama supporter. I can't help but get that impression from your post from which I drew the above lines from.
1. One of the bad things about our political system is that from time to time political rhetoric tends to go to extremes. Sometimes this extremist rhetoric lasts only as long as the election process. Unfortuneately, for some reason, we have been in a season of extremist political rhetoric since Clinton was first elected, and there does not seem to be any end in sight. This tends to make just about any degree of polite political discussion almost impossible.
Is Obama a villin? Probably not, but many people are probably rightly concerned and fearful of the way this man, and his campaign has been wrapped, packaged and sold to us by: key, and powerful members of the establihed Democratic Party, his supporters (many from the far-radical-left), and the monopolisitic media who seem to be more interested in making news and history than they are in doing their jobs.
2. The war-like scenario that presently exists,was not created by the Republican party, the wealthy Conservatives, or the far right. It was created by other forces outside of our country while this country's attention and leaders was centered on itself, and themselves, and its supposed prosperity and government surplus of money.
It was created my a head of state far more willing to act like a mouse challenging a Bald Eagle than he was interested in the welfare of his country and peace by resisteng and playing games that prevented the world from finding out for certain whether or not he truely had what we and everyone else feared he had, and feared that he would willingly give terrorists.
On 9-11 those who were already at war with us let us know, in no uncertain terms that a state of war existed between them and us. They let us know that they were at war with our way of life, our standards, and our ideals because they went against their view of their God and how they view their God intended man to live.
Yes our enemies are greater in: numbers, determination, patience, and imagination and wealth.
3.Why is it that it seems that only Democrats, the far left, and Obama supporters are the only ones that insist on including race into political discussions?
4. I am not sure whether or not distrust of Obama and the way he was being marketed to us started with discussion about his church. Talk about his church came after he/ his campaign handlers made Obama being a champion of unity as one of the reasons why people (everyone in the country) should vote for him. Rev. Wrights's comments, and the fact that Obama and his family had been members of the church for so long caused people a rightly raise the question as to whether or not Obama was as serious about unity as he and his supporters claimed he was.
In short, it wasn't the Republicans, or the far right that opened the door for such questions. It was the candidate, and his campaign handlers that opened that door.
In fact it is Obama, his wife, his campaign handlers, and the self-rightous arrogance of all those involed that have earned them the "examination" and criticism that has existed around them. The Republicans / far right created none of it. They do have a right to exploit it in order to show how wrong Obama's arrogance, inexperience and politics is for America at this time.
5. There is much to distrust Obama/ and his campaign handlers about because it is they, who have repeatedly suggested and implied that only Obama has the answers to all of this country's problems. It is they, not the Republicans, or the far right who have made Obama out to be the great saviour of America simply because he is about change and hope that he is never very specific about.
6.. Why should the media go after other canidates as they have "gone after" Obama? The Democratic Party, the far-left, and the media have already decided McCain is going to loose. They have already decided that if he does manage win, it is only going to be business as usual. His term in office is only going to be a continuation of the Bush administration.
Note to Obama supporters-The media loves to build people up so that they could tear them down. The greater that they are made to be, the greater the trill and enjoyment of bringing them down. Ask McCain. I believe that he has experienced some of this whenever he decided to go conservative on them.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 5:23:59 PM
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I thought I would break with something that has become my usual practice of editing my last post with something new as long as my post is the lattes one in the thread.
It may sound like this is a little off topic, but I have a sense it isn't since the central question seems to be how canidates are packaged and sold to us in this age of television, and instant/ 24 hour news coverage.
I was reminded today about how, before the modern conveince of television and 24 hour news coverage, we Americans often elected our presidents sight unseen. I mean, during the time of Abe Lincoln, how many Americans actually saw him, or knew anything about him other than his speechs?
It seems that before television we elected politicians more on their ideas than their image. Now a days we seem to elect politicians based more on their image than on their ideas.
Oh yeah. We have lucked out from time to time, and managed to elect the right man at the right time, but I have a feeling that politicians and their handlers are getting ever more better at marketing and packaging what they are selling us through television.
Maybe that is why talk radio is becoming ever more popular. We hear the canidates and their ideas, instead of their image, and whateverit is they are trying to sell us,
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 7:48:52 PM
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Note to Obama supporters-The media loves to build people up so that they could tear them down. The greater that they are made to be, the greater the trill and enjoyment of bringing them down. Ask McCain. I believe that he has experienced some of this whenever he decided to go conservative on them.
Remember the NY Times endorsing McCain during the primaries? Now look how they treat him.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 7:53:43 PM
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I was reminded today about how, before the modern conveince of television and 24 hour news coverage, we Americans often elected our presidents sight unseen. I mean, during the time of Abe Lincoln, how many Americans actually saw him, or knew anything about him other than his speechs?
This is more than likely what caused Nixon the election in 1960 against Kennedy;
It's widely acknowledged that Nixon lost the 1960 presidential election to John Kennedy because of his physical appearance during a television debate with JFK. According to Don Hewett, who produced the televised debate, Nixon looked bad that day on television for several reasons: (1) Nixon had a staphylococcal infection at the time, (2) Nixon "smacked his knee" in the studio and was in pain, (3) After Kennedy declined to have make-up applied, Nixon declined, too, fearing the consequences if it became known that he had accepted make-up when Kennedy had not. To cover his five o'clock shadow, Nixon instead had one of his people smear a product of dubious quality, known as "Shave Stick," on his face
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 10:19:21 PM
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I think the zombie vote may have played into that victory as well.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/10/2008 10:33:49 PM
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Again, to the left, lying is justified....amazing...
Let's try this.....how about saying something about how great America is....and actually meaning it?
Whoa, Nellie....
Mm... no, if you check again, I'm saying that even if you assume the worst about Obama's intentions, your assertion about him never paying tribute to America is still wrong.
I should expect it to be obvious by now that I don't assume the worst about Obama.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 12:49:57 AM
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saved9201,
Like I have indicated before, I am just not sure where you stand, so please forgive me if I call you an Obama supporter. I can't help but get that impression from your post from which I drew the above lines from.
First of all, just got back from a weekend at beautiful Myrtle Beach, SC.. I figured with the end of the world, Obamageddon, coming in November, I may as well enjoy myself until then.
Yes, I've defended him, that's all, because I think some of the attacks against him are ridiculous. Although I "know" Obama, I don't think he's qualified to be president. I don't "know' McCain and I don't like him, and I don't have to give a reason why, I just don't. I live in Georgia which will never go blue so it really doesn't matter who I vote for or if I vote at all. Besides, like I've maintained from the beginning, Obama doesn't stand a chance in the general election.
Anyway.
If I thought the standard from now on was that we would require candidates to prove their patriotism by wearing pins, that would be fine with me. If I thought from now on, that we would scrutinize their churches, their pastors, all their pastors sermons, all their visiting pastor's sermons, that we would scrutinize their neighbors and friends, that we would scrutinze any and everybody who endorsed them, that we would make them prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they were a born again, on fire for the Lord, non-compromising Christian, a member of a church that preached sound doctrine - and prove they're NOT secretly a Muslim or a terrorist, that would be fine. And if we decided that from now on, ALL candidates would be required to be humble - and not "arrogant" or presumptuous in their pursuit of the white house - never "acting" too presidential. That they act down to earth like regular people and not uppity or elitest or act like they're better than good old fashioned hard working people. If I thought that would be the new standard for presidential candidates, that would be okay with me. But I know deep down inside, that won't be the standard for all candidates. Just those you claim you don't "know".
And that's another reason I hope and pray he doesn't win: Because I know it won't stop if he's elected. Many people will never accept him as president. He'll never be allowed to govern. There will be people in the right wing media who will feel it's their patriotic duty to find out who B. Hussein O. really is. Dig deeper. There's got to be something. He's GOT to be hiding something. There will be an immediate crusade to impeach him - find something, anything. Yes, there will be plots to kill him.
No, in my opinion, it would be best if McCain wins convincingly so Obama and others that people don't "know" aren't encouraged to run ever again.
It's not worth it.
Now do you know where I stand?
- Julius
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 1:04:02 AM
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Well shucks I won't be around then, so I will just draw my conclusions now. well, since I plan on living to 120 I will probably be around to find out. 
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 10:08:30 AM
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I'm saying that even if you assume the worst about Obama's intentions, your assertion about him never paying tribute to America is still wrong.
In other words, even if he's lying when he says something good about America, then it's okay.....only in the mind of the left, folks....
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 11:11:45 AM
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So let me get this right:
If Obama says that America can do better, he's attacking America and therefore never says anything positive about being an American?
While if he DOES say something irrefutably positive about America, then he's simply lying?
Is that the sum of the position? A closed-loop negativity that brooks no connection with reality?
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 12:56:22 PM
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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. - The United States Constitution
Also, if you'll read this (which I doubt!) - http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
you might find a "few" Christian values.
When did abortion and the homosexual agenda become Christian values?
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 12:59:49 PM
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While if he DOES say something irrefutably positive about America, then he's simply lying?
I woudn't know, since I've never heard him say anything positive about America....
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 1:06:27 PM
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saved9201,
Like I have indicated before, I am just not sure where you stand, so please forgive me if I call you an Obama supporter. I can't help but get that impression from your post from which I drew the above lines from.
First of all, just got back from a weekend at beautiful Myrtle Beach, SC.. I figured with the end of the world, Obamageddon, coming in November, I may as well enjoy myself until then.
Yes, I've defended him, that's all, because I think some of the attacks against him are ridiculous. Although I "know" Obama, I don't think he's qualified to be president. I don't "know' McCain and I don't like him, and I don't have to give a reason why, I just don't. I live in Georgia which will never go blue so it really doesn't matter who I vote for or if I vote at all. Besides, like I've maintained from the beginning, Obama doesn't stand a chance in the general election.
Anyway.
If I thought the standard from now on was that we would require candidates to prove their patriotism by wearing pins, that would be fine with me. If I thought from now on, that we would scrutinize their churches, their pastors, all their pastors sermons, all their visiting pastor's sermons, that we would scrutinize their neighbors and friends, that we would scrutinze any and everybody who endorsed them, that we would make them prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they were a born again, on fire for the Lord, non-compromising Christian, a member of a church that preached sound doctrine - and prove they're NOT secretly a Muslim or a terrorist, that would be fine. And if we decided that from now on, ALL candidates would be required to be humble - and not "arrogant" or presumptuous in their pursuit of the white house - never "acting" too presidential. That they act down to earth like regular people and not uppity or elitest or act like they're better than good old fashioned hard working people. If I thought that would be the new standard for presidential candidates, that would be okay with me. But I know deep down inside, that won't be the standard for all candidates. Just those you claim you don't "know".
And that's another reason I hope and pray he doesn't win: Because I know it won't stop if he's elected. Many people will never accept him as president. He'll never be allowed to govern. There will be people in the right wing media who will feel it's their patriotic duty to find out who B. Hussein O. really is. Dig deeper. There's got to be something. He's GOT to be hiding something. There will be an immediate crusade to impeach him - find something, anything. Yes, there will be plots to kill him.
No, in my opinion, it would be best if McCain wins convincingly so Obama and others that people don't "know" aren't encouraged to run ever again.
It's not worth it.
Now do you know where I stand?
- Julius
You failed to mentioned unmarked black helicopters so I am not all that convinced...
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 1:41:52 PM
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I'm saying that even if you assume the worst about Obama's intentions, your assertion about him never paying tribute to America is still wrong.
In other words, even if he's lying when he says something good about America, then it's okay.....only in the mind of the left, folks....
I could give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that English isn't your first language, but I think it's safer to assume that you're being intentionally obtuse.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 2:04:12 PM
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While if he DOES say something irrefutably positive about America, then he's simply lying?
I woudn't know, since I've never heard him say anything positive about America....
Consider your willful ignorance corrected...:
"I’m Barack Obama. America is a country of strong families and strong values. My life’s been blessed by both.
I was raised by a single mom and my grandparents. We didn’t have much money, but they taught me values straight from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. Accountability and self-reliance. Love of country. Working hard without making excuses. Treating your neighbor as you’d like to be treated. It’s what guided me as I worked my way up — taking jobs and loans to make it through college.
It’s what led me to pass up Wall Street jobs and go to Chicago instead, helping neighborhoods devastated when steel plants closed. That’s why I passed laws moving people from welfare to work, cut taxes for working families and extended health care for wounded troops who’d been neglected.
I approved this message because I’ll never forget those values, and if I have the honor of taking the oath of office as President, it will be with a deep and abiding faith in the country I love.”
Do you need anyone to highlight the parts in which Obama makes positive statements about America? Or can you figure them out for yourself?
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 2:18:45 PM
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Well, I counted one..perhaps you can point out more...
In a campaign that's gone on this long, one quote seems a little short...
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 3:16:14 PM
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Well, I counted one..perhaps you can point out more...
In a campaign that's gone on this long, one quote seems a little short...
As Huangshan asserted, "delibrately obtuse", then, to the point of clumsy mendacity.
Thanks for clarifying.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 3:39:39 PM
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Isn't it always amusing to watch liberals come so unglued?
OBAMA: They get bitter. They cling to guns or religion or antipathy towards people who aren't like them.
MICHELLE OBAMA: Barack knows there's a hole in our soul.
MICHELLE OBAMA: It's easier to hold onto your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your ignorance. That's America.
OBAMA: We're confronting the history and stain of slavery in this country. We're confronting those scars.
MICHELLE OBAMA: For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country.
OBAMA: America, uh, is -- is no longer, uh, what it -- it could be, what it once was.
Other Obama gems....
America is a country “where there is a huge gap between a few people who are wealthy and whole bunch of people who are struggling every day.”
America is a country “that is still divided by race.”
America is a country where “girls don’t have as much opportunity as boys do.”
America is a country that is “hated around the world because we don’t cooperate with other nations.”
America is a country that is in “grave danger because of what’s happening to the planet.”
Yeah, the Obamas really sound big on teh country they wish to lead....
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 3:53:21 PM
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Isn't it always amusing to watch liberals come so unglued?
OBAMA: They get bitter. They cling to guns or religion or antipathy towards people who aren't like them.
MICHELLE OBAMA: Barack knows there's a hole in our soul.
MICHELLE OBAMA: It's easier to hold onto your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your ignorance. That's America.
OBAMA: We're confronting the history and stain of slavery in this country. We're confronting those scars.
MICHELLE OBAMA: For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country.
OBAMA: America, uh, is -- is no longer, uh, what it -- it could be, what it once was.
Other Obama gems....
America is a country “where there is a huge gap between a few people who are wealthy and whole bunch of people who are struggling every day.”
America is a country “that is still divided by race.”
America is a country where “girls don’t have as much opportunity as boys do.”
America is a country that is “hated around the world because we don’t cooperate with other nations.”
America is a country that is in “grave danger because of what’s happening to the planet.”
Yeah, the Obamas really sound big on teh country they wish to lead....
Other than a few statements of fact which you will simply dismiss because it doesn't fit your fantasy, which of the above do you consider to be not "positive"?
Be specific, and be sure to write a short paragraph explaining WHY you think your choices are not "positive".
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 3:54:52 PM
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Isn't it always amusing to watch liberals come so unglued?
OBAMA: They get bitter. They cling to guns or religion or antipathy towards people who aren't like them.
Talk about bitter. Several people on this board have reposted this quote hundreds of times. Is this your first time posting this particular quote?
I think those points were scored about four months ago. Sorry.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/11/2008 4:29:16 PM
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tafkam
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Four months ago or not, he hasn't retracted it, therefore, it's still relevant...
And SwedishCovenant? I don't take homework assignments from you or anybody else. The comments are what they are, straight from the Obamas themselves that you so adore.
I am not surprised at all that you would fail to find them negative...
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