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JimboFletch -> In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 4:37:22 PM)

Many mansions, many rooms, or what and why?

Reference John 14:2



TrustingGod -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 5:19:44 PM)

John 14:2 (Holman Christian Standard Bible) 2 In My Father's house are many dwelling places; [a] if not, I would have told you. I am going away (A) to prepare a place for you.

Footnotes: John 14:2 The Vg used the Lat term mansio, a traveler's resting place. The Gk word is related to the verb meno, meaning remain or stay, which occurs 40 times in John.



MrFribbles -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 5:31:21 PM)

Here's how I've heard it explained. I can't provide any references for this, since it's from a video series, but I think it fits pretty well.
Back in Jesus' culture, it was a common practice for a couple to get engaged, and then the groom would go back to his father's house and build a new "room" onto the house. This addition would be where the bride and groom would live together. Once the son was finished building this "room" (I keep using "s there because it wasn't a room like we Americans think of a room - it was much more multi-purpose), he would return to his bride, get married, and bring her to his father's house, where they would live together.
I'm sure the parallels are plain. I think it's a really cool image of how God relates to us, Christ's bride.



MindySue69 -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 6:50:22 PM)

in the context, rooms or dwelling places makes more sense.



LCannon -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 7:00:16 PM)

Many rooms, many spaces implies opulence, security and a dimension outside the confines of this existence that is part of the inheritance of the saints.



psende -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 8:13:44 PM)

I've looked at "in My Father's house" as meaning something like, "under My Father's rule." so the word "house" is not being defined as a building but as a dominion.
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"Under My Father's dominion, there are lots of nice places for family members to reside. I go to prepare a place for you . . ."


That is how I have taken it. So "mansions" works for me.



Neeva_Candida -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 8:17:28 PM)

Well, whatever it is...fortunately it's not time-shares.

~Neeva



MindySue69 -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 9:15:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Neeva_Candida

Well, whatever it is...fortunately it's not time-shares.

~Neeva


LOL!!!!

to the other response...well, if it's okay to change (in your mind) the term "house" for "dominion" why is it not okay to change the word "mansions" into "dwelling places" or "rooms."

???

This discussion started because someone was bothered that the NIV translates "mansions" into "rooms."



MrFribbles -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/5/2008 10:19:15 PM)

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I've looked at "in My Father's house" as meaning something like, "under My Father's rule." so the word "house" is not being defined as a building but as a dominion.


Do you see anywhere in Scripture that backs up this interpretation?



phyl2 -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 12:13:46 AM)

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I've looked at "in My Father's house" as meaning something like, "under My Father's rule." so the word "house" is not being defined as a building but as a dominion.


I don't think "dominion" falls within the range of meaning for that word.

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to the other response...well, if it's okay to change (in your mind) the term "house" for "dominion" why is it not okay to change the word "mansions" into "dwelling places" or "rooms."


According to a text note in the NET Bible, the translation "mansion" dates back to Tyndale, in whose time the word meant dwelling place, without the connotation of being palatial, large or grand. In fact, Wycliffe translated it as dwelling.

So, it would seem that the understanding of the word "mansion" as most here seem to understand it - a grand place, a palace, etc - is actually the change, not the understanding of a "dwelling place".

Just a little interesting item: the KJV is a revision of the Bishop's Bible. I checked the Bishop's Bible, and they translated the word as "dwellings", so, it is the KJV that made the change, and modern translations have restored it to the traditional translation.



bluestone -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 8:39:41 AM)

Room or living area. Not a mansion as we see it today. KJV translated it incorrectly.



yustme -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 8:41:30 AM)

In my Bible,KJV,back in the concordence 1356,Heavenly Home,the final dwelling place of the saints.To me the scripture refers to Heaven as the home of Christ,or his house.The dementions of Heaven is hugh.Big enough to build us our mansion/dwelling place.
It's really no big deal.I just like the KJV.I have very little problems understanding it.I'm no authorty on the Bible.I get alot of my understanding of the Bible from my dad and studying it on my own with the help of the HS.My dad was an ordained minister and was in the ministry for 60 yrs,so I trust his judgement.



bluestone -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 8:46:46 AM)

yustme, I was not trying to knock the KJV. And in eternity, I doubt we will even think about the size or style of our dwelling place.[:)]

I will be thrilled just to scrape in under the Pearly Gates, and camp out in the yard.



JimboFletch -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 8:51:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: yustme

...back in the concordence 1356...

FYI, the concordance and footnotes in the Bible are not inspired scripture.

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My dad was an ordained minister and was in the ministry for 60 yrs,so I trust his judgement.

That's cool. My father-in-law has been in the ministry about 67 years and he agrees with me that Jesus likely meant rooms within a great house, not mansions within a house or within a dominion.



techne -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 9:06:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: phyl2
quote:

I've looked at "in My Father's house" as meaning something like, "under My Father's rule." so the word "house" is not being defined as a building but as a dominion.

I don't think "dominion" falls within the range of meaning for that word.

what about "the house of david"? doesn't that refer to a dominion?



yustme -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 9:52:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bluestone

yustme, I was not trying to knock the KJV. And in eternity, I doubt we will even think about the size or style of our dwelling place.[:)]

I will be thrilled just to scrape in under the Pearly Gates, and camp out in the yard.

I didn't think you were knocking it.I really don't care what I live in,I just want to be there.
My only concern about the different Bible versions is ,with the word changes,some of it does change the meaning of the verse.And therefore it can create argument.
As for your dad,or whoever,that's great.As I have have seen over the yrs the longer a person lives,the more they know their there Bible,and yet,it seems everyone sees the scriptures differently.But when we get to Heaven,all of our questions will be answered.But like you,I will just be happy to get there.



URForgiven -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 9:56:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

Many mansions, many rooms, or what and why?

Reference John 14:2


I believe the point is that we will dwell with God. And by knowing that, we know that it will be perfect, and beyond anything we can even begin to imagine.

Peace



yustme -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 10:07:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: yustme

...back in the concordence 1356...

FYI, the concordance and footnotes in the Bible are not inspired scripture.

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My dad was an ordained minister and was in the ministry for 60 yrs,so I trust his judgement.

That's cool. My father-in-law has been in the ministry about 67 years and he agrees with me that Jesus likely meant rooms within a great house, not mansions within a house or within a dominion.

BTW,I know the concordence is not inspired scripture.Neither is any commentaries or any other helps.However thy are done by people who have spent many yrs in Bible colleges and have studdied for many hrs and yrs in Greek,Hebrew and what have you,and gone back to the original scripts to help us to understand the Bible.This is why I use them.Just like you sought help from your father- in -law.Just my dad was probably wrong in some area,so could your father-in -law be wrong.



dduuggyy -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 10:14:30 AM)

Many mansions is definitely not in the sense that we know in our society as a a very large home but mansions is in reference to greatness of his dwelling place as in the golden path which is not literal gold as we know it in substance but the pureness of it....gold is very soft and pure in nature. So everything is in a symbolic and spiritual form and we have to look at it spiritually and not literal. The greatness of all dwelling places will be with him much more than anyone can ever imagine. GOD be with you all.



yustme -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 10:46:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dduuggyy

Many mansions is definitely not in the sense that we know in our society as a a very large home but mansions is in reference to greatness of his dwelling place as in the golden path which is not literal gold as we know it in substance but the pureness of it....gold is very soft and pure in nature. So everything is in a symbolic and spiritual form and we have to look at it spiritually and not literal. The greatness of all dwelling places will be with him much more than anyone can ever imagine. GOD be with you all.

Thank you.I don't know who you are,but I sense a Godliness in your post.If I'm wrong,maybe it's just in the way you worded your post.Whatever it is,somehow it rings true to me.God bless.



psende -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 11:31:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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I've looked at "in My Father's house" as meaning something like, "under My Father's rule." so the word "house" is not being defined as a building but as a dominion.


Do you see anywhere in Scripture that backs up this interpretation?


This is what I mean--perhaps "dominion" isn't the right word.
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And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi. (Ex 2:1)

And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage . . . (Ex 13:3a)

Thus saith the LORD, Did I plainly appear unto the house of thy father, when they were in Egypt in Pharaoh's house? (I Sam 2:27b)

To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. (Luke 1:27)

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. (Luke 1:33)


In each of these cases, "house" means something that encompasses more than the word "home." It deals with family, lineage, rule, etc. that is under a great man's authority, even if that authority has passed through generations. When one speaks of the "House of Windsor," for instance, one is speaking of a great deal more than Windsor Castle."

Thus, I do not take, "In My Father's house," to mean "the building where My Father abides." I see it as including everything that He has.

I think the translators who went with "rooms" did so for the benefit of those who equate "house" with "building" in order for it to make sense.

As someone mentioned, "dwelling places" is perhaps a better translation than "mansions," but if Jesus meant "dwelling places" like we think of "homes," they might be rather nice. Thus, "mansions" works for me.

Of course, He may have meant something like "a place of abiding" as in "abide in Me." In heaven, we will abide in Him fully.



bluestone -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 1:28:48 PM)

I certainly hope it is not like a college dormitory



DaveW -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 1:49:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: techne

what about "the house of david"? doesn't that refer to a dominion?
No. The dominion of David was the entire kingdom of Israel. House of David is his lineage. It could also refer to tutalege. "House of Shammai" and "House of Hillel" were 2 schools established in the first century bc to train pharasees. They were quite different in their teachings and practices, btw.



phyl2 -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 2:06:23 PM)

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what about "the house of david"? doesn't that refer to a dominion?


Different word both translated house. In the OT, the word house in the phrase "house of David" included the descendants of a family.

The context of John 14 seems to me to refer more to the concept of a dwelling place, than of a dominion or dynasty.



bluestone -> RE: In my Father's house are... (8/6/2008 2:13:36 PM)

maybe it is a Jetson's style space age apartment complex.



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