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wayward1 -> RE: Newcomers from DoD (8/4/2008 1:48:28 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
Oh, and DoD members should note the brief bio I am given there. Apparently I am 'not ignorant' but 'unable to process certain lines of reasoning' and am therefore difficult to convert to Darwinism - unlike others on this site, apparently.
But you have to address me none the less, because, according to DoD I hold sway over the more weak minded members of Crosswalk, and pointing out flaws in my arguments are the key to converting them.
Oh, and I am a big meanie - so beware. [;)]
I just read it too, lol. I didn't catch where it said you held sway over anyone though. I thought it simply said you were one of the most active and therefore somewhat of a "backbone" of the anti-evolution camp here.
Here's the excerpt quote:
ORIGINAL: Agahnim
The other members who I think deserves to be mentioned posts there as Jhud. Strictly speaking, Jhud is not a creationist, since he doesn’t think Genesis must be taken literally and doesn’t believe the account of creation there. What he is is a proponent of “Intelligent Design”, who believes the arguments by people such as Michael Behe that evolution is not capable of explaining certain biological structures. The reason Jhud deserves mention is because as of my last participation in that forum, he is by far the most active anti-evolution member there, so much so that he deserves a large portion of the credit for the general anti-evolution environment there.
Like Raptorman, Jhud is not ignorant—according to him, he was a biology major in college, and he knows as much about it as much as one would expect of someone who studied it there. However, during my debates with him, he has seemed unable to process certain lines of reasoning. The example of this that which has come up most often is that he does not consider it to have been demonstrated that evolution is capable of explaining all of life’s diversity, because nobody has ever directly observed the evolution of a highly complex system (such as an entire new organ) from start to finish. My response to this has consistently been that even though nobody has observed this entire process, scientists have observed each individual part of the process happening separately, and saying that these parts are capable of working together in such a manner is no different than predicting any other unobserved event that results from several known processes occurring together, such as the formation of a black hole.
I don’t expect it to be possible to change Jhud’s mind about this, but pointing out the flaws in these claims is valuable to other members of the forum who are more open-minded. Raptorman is not the only participant there who I think has a good chance of accepting evolution eventually. As long as you’re patient and explain things clearly, members of this community who decide to post at this month’s featured forum might be able to accomplish the same thing with any of a few others there.
So sorry to say it but to the original poster, I laughed out loud at the "I'm sure you all know who I am" line because at first I thought you were saying that to everyone here. I think I realize now you're saying it to members of your own site so it makes a bit more sense.
Either way, welcome.
Oh and I wouldn't say Jhud is unable to process certain lines of reasoning. He's simply unwilling.
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