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The community association -ACORN - of which Barry was a membership has routinely been involved in voter fraud.

ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families, working together for social justice and stronger communities.
ACORN Vindicated

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Barry solicted the endorsement of a known terrorist who proudly admits to setting bombs at the Pentegon and laments he didn't to more damage

The Washington Post

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Bill Ayers - A former, unrepentant leader of the 1960s radical Weather Underground who is now an education professor in Illinois. Ayers, the piece says, gave $200 to Obama in 2001 and served on the board of an anti-poverty group with him for three years.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

I'd say that's 2 Strikes (3 and you're out)
My pitching arm's tired, I'll give you a pass.

There you go again. Confusing people with facts again. But you know they'll discredit your sources as being part of the left wing liberal media.

You know, this is really getting old.

If you don't like somebody, it dosen't matter why. Maybe you have "legitimate" reasons, maybe you don't. Maybe they did you wrong, maybe they didn't. Maybe you just get a weird vibration when they walk into the room. Maybe you don't like their name or the way they look. I'm not here to argue about that. Nobody, in my opinion, should be forced to like someone they don't want to like. On the other hand, one shouldn't feel compelled to spread lies and rumors just to try to justify their dislike for the person and to convince others to feel the same way.

I'm sure there are people in this world who don't like me, who don't like you, who don't like our friends and loved ones. That's fine. But you wouldn't want them spreading falsehoods and exaggerations about you, wouldn't you? There's this thing in the bible about bearing false witness. Even if you heard it from someone else, if it's false, it's false, and if you don't know for sure, why repeat it? Use the same standard on how you would want to be treated that you use on Obama. I believe some of you are more intelligent than the average blogger and really know these are falsehoods and rumors you're spreading just to make your case against Obama "juicier". It's getting old, people. Is this what you teach your kids? If you don't like someone, make up lies about them so others will hate them too?

I know that some of you are absolutely terrified of this man. Some of you look at him as the biggest threat to this country and possibly the world, in the history of mankind. You want to do everything in your power to see him defeated. But lying, and yes, what some of you are doing is a form of lying, is not the way to go. All this does is destroys your credibility and muffles your cries when you have legitimate issues of disagreement with him you wish to voice. We as Christians should be above all that.

- Julius

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Slam dunk, Julius.

If people don't like Obama's politics, or do not support his candidacy, that's fine.

There's no law that says you have to, and enthusiastically vote for McCain, Nader, Barr or (worst of all) do not vote period.

I suppose I just don't understand the angry bile in the throats of some posters when they criticize Obama in a way that goes way beyond:

"I disagree with Obama's [FILL IN BLANK] policy, so I'm not voting for him this November."

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I disagree with Obama's claim on being a Christian based on his ungodly stand on more than a few policies so I am not voting for him in November...

Not a ounce of anger or bile... Truth...

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Does the air ever get thin up on that 50,000 foot high pulpit you like to speak from?

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What about the pulpits of the drive-by media that fawn over every utterance of the Candy Man?

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I know that some of you are absolutely terrified of this man. Some of you look at him as the biggest threat to this country and possibly the world, in the history of mankind. You want to do everything in your power to see him defeated. But lying, and yes, what some of you are doing is a form of lying, is not the way to go. All this does is destroys your credibility and muffles your cries when you have legitimate issues of disagreement with him you wish to voice. We as Christians should be above all that.

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I disagree with Obama's claim on being a Christian based on his ungodly stand on more than a few policies so I am not voting for him in November...

Not a ounce of anger or bile... Truth...

Does the air ever get thin up on that 50,000 foot high pulpit you like to speak from?

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Very well said. Only GOD knows whether or not a person's profession of faith is authentic or not, and we will ALL be judged by our words and actions.

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Based on the hatred and vitrol of what some have posted, I'm more likely to accept Obama's profession of faith than theirs.

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By "fawned" I guess you mean the way the "Drive-bys" (an ironic term, to be sure) piled on Obama this spring for Rev. Wright, Ayres, "Bitter-Gate," Tony Rezko, statements by his wife, et al?

You're so right. The media must be on Obama's payroll.

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Does the air ever get thin up on that 50,000 foot high pulpit you like to speak from?

What about the pulpits of the drive-by media that fawn over every utterance of the Candy Man?

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The Washington Post
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Bill Ayers - A former, unrepentant leader of the 1960s radical Weather Underground who is now an education professor in Illinois. Ayers, the piece says, gave $200 to Obama in 2001 and served on the board of an anti-poverty group with him for three years.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

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I may be an old Preacher, and my memory may be failing me but my wife definitely said she had the same memory, and that was of about three years ago when Obama was elected Senator and either he or his wife said he was muslim. Now, we hear he belongs to the Church of Christ.
Although I do hope there has been a conversion and a soul has been saved, I also pray that this is not the practice of a man who has conveniently "Found" Jesus Christ for the duration of this election. If I am mistaken about him being Muslim, I apologize, but I am almost positive I heard this.

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I wanted to address Taopoohbear's e mail, apparently something is now presented where Obama is asserting he is not Muslim. Thank you for the information, I do appreciate it. But I also remember the issues earlier with Obama's Pastor and some of the comments that Pastor had made that did not sit well with me.
Presidential Elections are always a difficult time for Christians. Although I have done some reading regarding Senator Obama, I am not yet convinced he can deliver all that he speaks of.
I do not know much about Catholic schools and their prayer practice schedules and I am relatively sure they do not pray organized prayers four times at school or a day. I know that Muslims pray four times a day.
The importance we all have to face right now is that we must research, read, and pray all that we can in order to make the right choice for President.

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I may be an old Preacher, and my memory may be failing me but my wife definitely said she had the same memory, and that was of about three years ago when Obama was elected Senator and either he or his wife said he was muslim. Now, we hear he belongs to the Church of Christ.
Although I do hope there has been a conversion and a soul has been saved, I also pray that this is not the practice of a man who has conveniently "Found" Jesus Christ for the duration of this election. If I am mistaken about him being Muslim, I apologize, but I am almost positive I heard this.

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tells me you knew about the Rev. Wright "story", which means you knew about Obama's long involvement in that (Christian) church.

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Phil Graham was right.

I've never seen so much whining on the part of people in the McCain camp, the GOP bloggers and on Fox news. It was McCain who suggested Obama go to Iraq. I'm sure that McCain and a lot of the anti-Obamanation just knew for sure that Obama was going to make a fool out of himself. That he was going to show his ignorance and make some gaffe or "gotcha" they could loop non-stop to show what an ignorant fool he is on foreign policy.

So, since that hasn't happened, not yet anyway, some of you are obviously disappointed. But don't get frustrated. While you anxiously await for the gleeful moment when Obama totally goofs and embarasses our country and causes irrepairable damage to our image overseas, here's what you can do:

1. Blame the media for giving the trip too much attention. Shame, Shame, Shame on the media. If it wasn't for those three news anchors following him around, Obama wouldn't have been received as enthusiastically everywhere he's gone. Those 200,000 people who showed up in Germany weren't there to see Obama. They just wanted a chance to get on TV or to meet Katie Couric.

Note: Keep in mind, this may backfire because if Obama starts stumbling, like talking about a border between Pakistan and Iraq, and the media isn't there to report it, or don't give his gaffes enough attention, some people would be whining about how the mainstream media wasn't giving his trip ENOUGH attention.

2. Use this logic: The reason Obama was received so warmly in Germany is because those 200,000 people are all a bunch of American hating, baby murdering, gay, muslim, socialist, anti-Christian people who believe Obama shares their views. Yeah, that's the ticket! And president Reagan had large crowds in Germany, but most of them were protesting him! The way to determine how good a president Obama will be, is to count how many people boo, heckle, protest and try to kill him abroad. Not how many people like him. Please. Everybody knows that.

3. Keep hope alive! The trips not over yet. He could still make a fool out of himself and embarrass our country in front of the Brits.

- Julius

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Let's assume for arguments sake that those people who "fawn over every utterance" of the "Candyman" as you call him, are knowingly misleading the public and that makes you angry. The bible says in Psalm 37:7-8, "Do not be provoked by the prosperous, nor by malicious schemers. Give up your anger, abandon your wrath; do not be provoked; it brings only harm."

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We, Christians, should stand for the truth. Not the embellished truth, not the enhanced truth, not the World Net Daily truth, not the Sean Hannitized truth. And while God has given us the power to discern, as John said "...false prophets, teachers and wolves in sheep skins...", this power does not give us the liberty to knowingly distort facts, make up stuff or repeat rumors about those with whom we have differences in order to bolster one's case against them.

- Julius

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Let's assume for arguments sake that those people who "fawn over every utterance" of the "Candyman" as you call him, are knowingly misleading the public and that makes you angry. The bible says in Psalm 37:7-8, "Do not be provoked by the prosperous, nor by malicious schemers. Give up your anger, abandon your wrath; do not be provoked; it brings only harm."

You seem to have taken some liberties with that verse(s), though I believe if one looks at the verses collectively it surely works regarding Obama's situation...

Psalms 37:7-13 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.8. Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. 9. For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth. 10. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. 11. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
12. The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. 13. The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Certainly Obama's day is coming... And the fact that the evil he does is from a place of God ordained authority makes his actions worse...

Proverbs 16:12 It is an abomination to kings to commit wickedness: for the throne is established by righteousness.

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We, Christians, should stand for the truth. Not the embellished truth, not the enhanced truth, not the World Net Daily truth, not the Sean Hannitized truth. And while God has given us the power to discern, as John said "...false prophets, teachers and wolves in sheep skins...", this power does not give us the liberty to knowingly distort facts, make up stuff or repeat rumors about those with whom we have differences in order to bolster one's case against them.

- Julius

All anyone has to do is post Obama's voting record or quote the man regarding his support for abortion and the homosexual agenda... The following covers both...

Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord


John

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tells me you knew about the Rev. Wright "story", which means you knew about Obama's long involvement in that (Christian) church.

Nothing Christian about Rev. Wright's church...

John

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tells me you knew about the Rev. Wright "story", which means you knew about Obama's long involvement in that (Christian) church.

Nothing Christian about Rev. Wright's church...

John

Have you considered employment in Bush's Dept. of Theology?
You could tell all us peons which churches are approved for worshiping Christ.

In fact, why think small?
You need to contact the Pope, your seat in the Holy Roman Empire awaits you.
(they may have a problem finding a crown with a large enough circumference)

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It's really shameful the way you talk to a fellow brother in the Lord; you didn't refute anything he said with God's Word,which we are told to test everything against; you chose to be condescending and insulting.

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It's really shameful the way you talk to a fellow brother in the Lord; you didn't refute anything he said with God's Word,which we are told to test everything against; you chose to be condescending and insulting.

The problem with using scripture to bolster a political stance is--as history has demonstrated zillions of times--it can be interpreted in miriad ways, and used to justify an equal variety of positions.

Further, some here have simply grown tired of being judgmentally brow-beaten by others for their politics, and choose not to lie down and be steamrolled.

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First of all, my post was not addressed to you. As far as I know, you have only posted legitimate substantiated claims against Obama, i.e. his voting record, his party platform, his confirmed affiliations, the questionable doctrine of his former church, etc. I may be wrong, but I can't recall you getting involved in the (for example) "is Obama a Muslim" debate. In fact, you have declared several times that you don't believe he's a Christian. I don't agree with you, but I respect your opinion because you have used scripture to at least present a case, not some obscure website or hearsay.

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As far as me "taking liberties" with the scripture I quoted, I did not use the "authorized King James Version" as you did, nor did I quote all the text that you did, but I don't see how your point is any different from mine. That if Obama is indeed evil and his supporters are supporting him by heaping undeserved praise on him as some believe, then the reaction of the Christian should not be to spread lies, gossip or embellishments of the truth to tarnish him. If it's just your opinion, then state it as such. If you just have a "bad feeling", state that too.