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Fortydays -> Heaven Question? (7/23/2008 11:33:18 PM)

If Heaven was free from any temptation or worry, then how does a Christian explain the fall of Lucifer, and his angels?

Thanks....I totally believe, but I have questions and you guys seem pretty intelligent sometimes.



mvic -> RE: Heaven Question? (7/24/2008 8:52:33 AM)

I'm not that intelligent !!! (Sometimes).

Where does it say that Heaven was free from temptation and worry? I suspect it was free ... but I must have missed it in the Bible.

Anyway, that aside. If we follow the logic of your very good question: assuming that Heaven was free from temptation, assuming that neither Lucifer nor any other angel would have rebelled ... what then?

No Satan? No evil? No Adam's sin? A perfect world for all of mankind?

I too sometimes wonder with all these questions ... but then I realise that maybe we're not meant to know the answers.

I may be created in the image of God - but I am not He. Suffice it to say: "I don't know, but I trust it was part of His plan."



BerianAardvark -> RE: Heaven Question? (7/24/2008 11:32:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Fortydays

If Heaven was free from any temptation or worry, then how does a Christian explain the fall of Lucifer, and his angels?

Thanks....I totally believe, but I have questions and you guys seem pretty intelligent sometimes.


Does sin originate in the environment, or in the heart of the sinner?

Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. (James 1:13-15)


Tim



deermousie -> RE: Heaven Question? (7/24/2008 4:17:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fortydays

If Heaven was free from any temptation or worry, then how does a Christian explain the fall of Lucifer, and his angels?

Thanks....I totally believe, but I have questions and you guys seem pretty intelligent sometimes.


ROTFL! Yeah, but only sometimes!

Once again, let me be a pain in the backside and broaden the issue. Not only was heaven free of sin (which temptation and worry are) and evil but the newly created universe was, too.

So you've hit the question that the theologians and Christian philosophers have been wrestling with: where did evil come from?

Answer: God has never told us. The Bible doesn't say, and that's our only sure source of information. If God doesn't say, we can't say either. We don't know where evil originated from. Satan is the first being Scripture says fell into it, but did it start with him? We don't know.

God knows everything but He apparently doesn't think we need to know this, or He would have told us. So it's one of those things we'll ask when we get to heaven. Meanwhile, you can get together with some of the Christian deep thinkers (PCA churches seem to attract these kinds, for one) and hash it out over a good meal.



seekingthebibletruth -> RE: Heaven Question? (7/24/2008 6:48:45 PM)

Good question ...

I think that if we are truly born again we will have the desires of God on our heart, and will not feel the desire to do the things in which the Devil was cast out of heaven for doing. Remember that the Bible said that even Jesus was tempted by the Devil in the desert, but since God does not desire the things of the devil he rejected temptation.

Just a thought ...



CalRed -> RE: Heaven Question? (7/25/2008 1:04:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fortydays

If Heaven was free from any temptation or worry, then how does a Christian explain the fall of Lucifer, and his angels?

Thanks....I totally believe, but I have questions and you guys seem pretty intelligent sometimes.


Don't confuse heaven with the Kingdom of heaven.......



terryjohn -> RE: Heaven Question? (7/25/2008 4:09:30 PM)

If in this life we can remain faithful, will it not be much easier be more faithful in heaven? I really can't imagine any greater temptations than those of this world. With regard to wanting to replace God, I have no desire to lose or oppose the one I love.

I think I once read that there will come a time in heaven when God is all in all, and as such there will be no more need for the person of Christ (Think it is somewhere in Revelations) when I read this (Well at least I think I read it because I can't find it now) I was hurt for I have come to love Christ and yet only now I am beginning to understand the need for this much in the same way Christ had to be taken from us in this world.

At least in heaven I hope I will be set free from all that besets me at present and will be able to be unlimited by faith, intellect and flesh to worship God with a vengence.

satan could only do what he did for he was not a son.



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