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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 5:52:00 PM
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I'd say "selling out" is more a heart condition. If you love the Lord and want to serve Him, but you occasionally do a non-SG song for the fun of it, you have not sold out. BUT, if you decide you love money and fame more than God and His will, so that you decide to sing whatever it takes to get those things, then you have sold out.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 6:04:45 PM
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But who is it that is saying that singing secular music is interfering with a SG music artist to sing Southern Gospel? That's a judgment call that only the artist himself can make for himself; not anyone else. That's like my saying that what someone is doing in their life is interfering with they're actually supposed to be doing.
It would also be quite a presumptuous opinion of me to declare such a thought.
But, doesn't the bible call us to hold each other accountable as well? Isn't it possible that this thread might cause someone to take a closer look at the way they are doing things and why they are doing them, and possibly correct those things if they are in not accordance with God's will? If so, wouldn't that be a good thing?
I'm not saying that we should be in someones face pointing a finger at them and telling them that they are wrong. That certainly is not the Christian way to go about it. But, some gentle questioning is not necessarily a bad thing. I sometimes start down the wrong path without even realizing it until someone points it out to me. That happens to all of us every now and then.
I guess the point is that with SG artists, they are in a ministry. If non-believers see Chrsitians, especially those in some type of ministry, doing things that non-Christians do, then what kind of example is that setting? As Christians, we are held to higher standards by God and the world is watching what we do or don't do.
Edited for clarification purposes. I confused myself with one sentence! 
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 6:28:04 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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But, doesn't the bible call us to hold each other accountable as well? Isn't it possible that this thread might cause someone to take a closer look at the way they are doing things and why they are doing them, and possibly correct them if they are wrong? If so, wouldn't that be a good thing?
I'm not saying that we should be in someones face pointing a finger at them and telling them that they are wrong. That certainly is not the Christian way to go about it. But, some gentle questioning is not necessarily a bad thing. I sometimes start down the wrong path without even realizing it until someone points it out to me. That happens to all of us every now and then. I think one of the most mis-applied Christian tenets is that of accountability. Yes, indeed we are to hold people accountable in the matters of sin. But no, we are not to enforce our opinions as Biblical law on another Christian simply because we don't agree with what they're doing.
Where is the actual sin in a Southern Gospel artist singing a secular song.
"Gentle questioning" may appear "gentle" on the surface; but what's the motive in the questioning? Was the questioner truly convicted by the Holy Spirit to approach Joe Schmoe about his singing, or did the approach come about under the guise of subtle manipulation? Did the questioner spend time in prayer before approaching Joe Schmoe with why he shouldn't be singing secular music, or did he just disagree with Joe's actions and and followed such disagreement with rash words and/or behavior? Did the questioner even bother to have a conversation with Joe Schmoe about Joe Schmoe's life or did he deem anything Joe could say as being not worthy of consideration?
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I guess the point is that with SG artists, they are in a ministry. If non-believers see Chrsitians, especially those in some type of ministry, doing things that non-Christians do, then what kind of example is that setting? As Christians, we are held to higher standards by God and the world is watching what we do or don't do. As I said before, if a person is claiming Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they are also in a ministry; regardless whether that ministry is singing or whether it's volunteering to take out the garbage at a food bank. No Christian is exempt from their ministry.
While we're so busy holding other people to higher standards, are we also holding ourselves to those very same higher standards?
Are the Southern Gospel music artists telling us how we should be living our lives and executing our ministries?
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 8:21:49 PM
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Personally, I do not believe that anyone who has been called into Southern Gospel music should sing secular songs on their recordings or in concert. Yes, some of my favorite SG artists have recorded those very songs you listed. I have several SG CD's and LP's with those songs. I, personally, am uncomfortable with SG artists singing those songs and I always skip over them when I am listening to those projects.
I, like you, also skip over the secular stuff. I don't care for it. (That includes "Long Black Train," in case anyone was wondering!)
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 9:31:04 PM
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If you claim to be a christian then live it. If you choose to dabble in worldly music, events or 'whatever then don;t try to live a double standard. You can't ride on the fence , you're either for him or against. Jesus is our example. Do you think he would be singing or listening to worldly lyrics?
But friend, not everything IS for Him or against Him. Your statement is filled with errors. If I go to a fair and ride a few rides is that what you'd call a worldly event?
What about my local highschool baseball or football games, or if I want to go to the local dirt track and see a little racing??
We can assume from I Cor. that Paul, if he hadnt been, at least had a knowledge of sporting events, based on his "running the race" writing.
My job has nothing to do with being a christian, should I quit it??? Is that worldly??
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 9:50:14 PM
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No offense here but If you say you're called into the Gospel music ministry why would you want to sing anything secular? I'm not sure that God calls anyone to do something a little, or halfway, or 2/3 the way. Got in trouble with a similar post on CCM side. So I'm choosing my words carefully here. IMO if you're going to do something for the Lord then you shouldn't intentionally mix a little of the world in it no matter how wholesome the lyrics may be.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 10:26:05 PM
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If you claim to be a christian then live it. If you choose to dabble in worldly music, events or 'whatever then don;t try to live a double standard. You can't ride on the fence , you're either for him or against. Jesus is our example. Do you think he would be singing or listening to worldly lyrics?
But friend, not everything IS for Him or against Him. Your statement is filled with errors. If I go to a fair and ride a few rides is that what you'd call a worldly event?
What about my local highschool baseball or football games, or if I want to go to the local dirt track and see a little racing??
We can assume from I Cor. that Paul, if he hadnt been, at least had a knowledge of sporting events, based on his "running the race" writing.
My job has nothing to do with being a christian, should I quit it??? Is that worldly??
Excellent, excellent post, BillBaileyBFAFan.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 10:36:36 PM
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God is the creator of music. At the end of the day what is wrong with a clean, well written secular song. Why can't songs also talk about love, friendships, life, dreams, etc. I am a huge fan of Southern Gospel and other forms of Christian music but I also like to listen to various forms of secular music. Music is a great form of joy and entertainment.
So the answer to your question is no. Singing other forms of music is not selling out (IMO).
When you sing about Jesus Christ YOU ARE singing about love, friendships, life and dreams. Why would you want to sing of anything else?
When you talk about Christ, you are talking about love, etc. Why would you want to talk about anything else?
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/24/2008 10:42:09 PM
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The problem I have with Country music is that it is more deceptive than Rock and Roll. With Rock and Roll it's in your face with it intentions. With country music an artist will record a song or two with wholesome lyrics, a song about patriotism, a tear jerker about momma and Sunday morning church, and then the rest is about cheating,fornification, drinking, and worse sometimes. I know because I use to listen to it all the time till God convicted me of it. Now the next comment will be do you watch movies or tv and I say yes but I am real particular about what I allow my self to see. I am weak that way. It's just too easy to stray for most people if they don't have a strong relationship with the Lord. No offense it just doesn't work for me if someone wants to sing both all the time.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 12:06:55 AM
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There is "good" and "bad in any secular music genre.
Doesn't mean that all secular music is bad (ie., ALL country, ALL rock, ALL swing, ALL jazz, etc., etc., etc.)
There are good and bad people everywhere.
Doesn't mean that all people are bad.
There are true CHRISTians and false Christians everywhere.
Doesn't mean that all Christians are false.
To make blanket statements (even if insinuated) about any particular thing most often is very much incorrect and doesn't achieve anything except promote inaccurate information.
And again, just because someone is singing Christian music doesn't mean that it is coming from their heart; even if that Christian is singing Southern Gospel music.
When listening to Christian music (regardless of type), I would much rather listen to a genuine person singing of and from His Lord and Savior than from someone who is merely in it for show or whatever "other" motives. And "other motives" can certainly be that of trying to appease an audience and thus avoid being inappropriately judged.
Also, When listening to secular music, I choose very well in what to listen to and what not to listen to.
Additionally, singing strictly Southern Gospel (or any other Christian music type) doesn't "rank more points" with me than someone singing Southern Gospel and something else.
If singing strictly Southern Gospel is where a person's heart, then absolutely good for them!
But I most definitely won't look my nose down on someone who sings something else in addition to Southern Gospel (or who doesn't even sing SG at all) . . . even if it's nice secular song. And I'm sure not going to tsk-tsk them neither.
Besides, I certainly have enough on my plate making sure that my own life is pleasing to Our Lord; I sure don't need to be policing anyone else's way in how they live out their Christianity. And I've personally proven it more than once . . . whenever I do try to be someone else's conscience, it just ends up a big muddy mess. It provides nothing of value to my heart; it often does great damage to others and it always severly and negatively interefers with my personal relationship with Our Lord.
A wobbly relationship with Our Lord is never a good thing to experience.
Kerr - excellent post you made there, Counsellor.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 12:53:10 AM
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So you wouldn't see it as a problem if I hung out at a bar every night since you don't know what is in my heart? You wouldn't think it was your Christian duty to check out the situation and see if there might be some type of problem with a fellow Christian?
Yes, I could possibly be there as a calling to minister to non-believers who frequent bars. But I might also have a serious problem with alcohol and need some help too. I would certainly hope and pray that my Christian friends would check it out if I did happen to go to a bar every night, or even once a week.
The scenario I just outlined has happened with members of my church on two different occasions. The first time, the man was ministering to unbelievers, and having quite a bit of success, thanks to the Lord. The second time, it was a church member who was a recovering alcoholic and had fallen off the wagon. We were able to get him the help he needed and he has now been sober for two years. What would have happened if we had not checked on it just because we didn't know what had been placed on his heart and just assumed everything was fine? That would be no different than seeing a stranger carrying your neighbors TV out of their house and doing nothing about it, just assuming that they probably had a good reason for it.
As Christians, we have to rely on each other for guidance from time to time. God has blessed me with many friends who keep me on the right path and He has granted me the ability to help them in return.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 1:25:09 AM
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So you wouldn't see it as a problem if I hung out at a bar every night since you don't know what is in my heart? You wouldn't think it was your Christian duty to check out the situation and see if there might be some type of problem with a fellow Christian? Without having any more information regarding this hypothetical situation (and since you specified that in this situation, I don't know what is in your heart), no I wouldn't see it as a problem. I don't speculate . . . which is one of the ways that people get hung up on the accountability factor; they're too busy speculating about what could be going on.
Yes, the person could be actually ministering.
Yes, the person could actually be putting himself in spiritual danger (drunkeness, alcoholism).
But until I know for sure, I'm not going to "see it as a problem."
And some things are just none of my business. Just because someone might be hanging out at a bar every night (and not for the purpose of ministering) doesn't mean that it is MY responsibility to do anything about it . . . except pray.
Which brings me right back to the questions I posed earlier. If, after praying and seeking Our Lord's Wisdom Guidance, I felt I was supposed to do something about Bar Guy, then I would do it . . . but also, Our Lord's Wisdom and Guidance might be leading me to do something other than confront that person; there are myriad ways that Our Lord reaches and helps people . . . and He does so through a vast variety of people; I'm not the only Christian ever born.
My job is not to save the world; my job - in any situation - is to seek Our Lord's Will . . . and to do THAT; not to do what I think should be done; but what Our Lord instructs me to do . . which may or may not be the same thing.
And of course, I can - and should - continue to pray for clarity in knowing Our Lord's Will in the situation, for the person(s) involved in the situation, AND for me regarding what my role is (and what it is not) in the situation.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 1:37:17 AM
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BTW, Jeff . . . if you'd like to start a separate thread on the hypothetical bar situation you posed (so that this thread doesn't veer too far from it's OP), then please let me know when you've created the new thread, and I'll continue the conversation over there.
Thanks!
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 7:30:28 AM
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God is the creator of music. At the end of the day what is wrong with a clean, well written secular song. Why can't songs also talk about love, friendships, life, dreams, etc. I am a huge fan of Southern Gospel and other forms of Christian music but I also like to listen to various forms of secular music. Music is a great form of joy and entertainment.
So the answer to your question is no. Singing other forms of music is not selling out (IMO).
When you sing about Jesus Christ YOU ARE singing about love, friendships, life and dreams. Why would you want to sing of anything else?
Is that a serious question??? Did God not ordain marriage? When I get married, if I choose to sing a love song to my wife am I selling out?
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 7:54:43 AM
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I think that God is much bigger than the little box we sometimes try to put Him in.
How true. We as Christians place barriers on ourselves and sometimes focus on what we're not suppose to do instead of getting out and enjoying life. I want to get the most 'life' out of everyday that I am on this earth.
That is through my relationship with Christ, my family, my friends, my interests, my hobbies and through music that convey the enjoyment all of those relationships. And if to some that means I have sold out, then well that is for them to deal with. Because at the end of the day when I lay my head on my pillow, I am falling to sleep with the realization that I have made the most of my day.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 10:05:28 AM
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A very excellent post DeeAnn. If it were in my power I would put five stars on here. Maybe one of the Mods will.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 11:08:47 AM
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That's a great idea, Sam! I second it . . . 5 stars for DeeAnn's post! 
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 11:12:40 AM
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I regret the time I spent trying to determine if others were doing what they should or if they had sold out rather than loving them and getting to know their true heart. In fact, I especially like this particular sentence so much that I am going to nominate it for this week's Room and Board's "Quote of the Week."
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 11:14:58 AM
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I'm not sure regret is the best way to determine if some action is doing your best for God.
Thank goodness He'll forgive me even when I don't realized I've sinned.
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RE: Which way should you look at it? - 7/25/2008 11:30:42 AM
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Sam & S-M, You guys are too sweet.
As for regret determining whether you do your best for God. The Bible teaches that if we ask Him He will reveal our sins and short comings - He gives wisdom. Once those are revealed, if your hear is truly seeking His will, you will have both regret and remorse for those things.
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