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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 3:30:00 PM
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Qtman
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ust so you don't miss it, how much do you pray for this man?
I did miss the question.
I pray for him and his family constantly. His children spend a great amount of time at my house, which I am so thankful for. His kids have become like my own. Don't get me wrong, I love this man too. I'm just disgusted with him right now.
I just can't keep repeating this enough: Side issue
Can the mods go back and delete specific posts, if we ask them too?
I thik you can delete any post you make within 24 hours. THe mods can delete any post.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 3:38:13 PM
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ust so you don't miss it, how much do you pray for this man?
I did miss the question.
I pray for him and his family constantly. His children spend a great amount of time at my house, which I am so thankful for. His kids have become like my own. Don't get me wrong, I love this man too. I'm just disgusted with him right now.
I just can't keep repeating this enough: Side issue
Can the mods go back and delete specific posts, if we ask them too?
You keep saying it's a side issue. I'm just not so sure. I believe your disgust for this man has tainted the way you see this issue.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 3:40:12 PM
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I never said it had no meaning. I said it wasn't any more sacred than any other building.
You said: A building is a building,
That directly implies that calling the building a church doesn't mean anything...
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However, the layout and decorations may cause someone to think, and I think that possibility is a good enough end.
Layout and decorations? How are those separate from the building? And what is a decoration? Like a cross, picture of some guy that doesn't look like a Jew, but is said to be Jesus? What?
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My question is why do so many Christians not trust the Spirit to guide our brothers? So many people feel they have to lay down law after law for everyone.
My guess would be the lawlessness in the church that for the most part reflects the world...
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 3:47:42 PM
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armydude
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ust so you don't miss it, how much do you pray for this man?
I did miss the question.
I pray for him and his family constantly. His children spend a great amount of time at my house, which I am so thankful for. His kids have become like my own. Don't get me wrong, I love this man too. I'm just disgusted with him right now.
I just can't keep repeating this enough: Side issue
Can the mods go back and delete specific posts, if we ask them too?
I thik you can delete any post you make within 24 hours. THe mods can delete any post.
The mods will usually not delete posts upon request unless there's a TOS issue.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 3:50:29 PM
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Qtman
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I beg to differ. If you ask them to delete one of your own post and state the reason why they can and have done so.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 3:54:33 PM
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armydude
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I beg to differ. If you ask them to delete one of your own post and state the reason why they can and have done so.
My mistake. To clarify. If I were to ask a mod to delete a post of yours (not that I would, we agree on almost everything), there would have to be a TOS issue. I've never seen it done, and I've seen it requested quite a few times.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 3:57:05 PM
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Qtman
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I think we are in agreement here also. No they will not delete someone else's post at my request unless it is a TOS.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 4:53:05 PM
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McFatty
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I never said it had no meaning. I said it wasn't any more sacred than any other building.
You said: A building is a building,
That directly implies that calling the building a church doesn't mean anything...
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However, the layout and decorations may cause someone to think, and I think that possibility is a good enough end.
Layout and decorations? How are those separate from the building? And what is a decoration? Like a cross, picture of some guy that doesn't look like a Jew, but is said to be Jesus? What?
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My question is why do so many Christians not trust the Spirit to guide our brothers? So many people feel they have to lay down law after law for everyone.
My guess would be the lawlessness in the church that for the most part reflects the world...
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Why start an argument about this? Here is what I mean, so that we're all clear. The church building isn't more sacred than any other building.
The layout and decorations are what these people have seen of churches in movies and television shows and such. They associate these things with church. Does that make the building inherently more sacred? Of course not. However, this association in their minds may cause them to think about religion where they hadn't before.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 4:54:42 PM
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My question is why do so many Christians not trust the Spirit to guide our brothers? So many people feel they have to lay down law after law for everyone.
I fully trust the Spirit.
I also know to test the spirits.
Be not only hearers of the Word, but doers also. 
Sure. But we're given clear criteria by which to test the spirits...
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:04:07 PM
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Lay it out for me Mcfatty.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:10:00 PM
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I don't know about laying it out, but I'll relay what I've read in the Bible.
"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit." - Matthew 7:16-18
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." - Galatians 5:22-23
For me, this means that instead of judging people by their perfection according to the Law of Moses, their full theological agreement with me, or things of that nature, I tend to look for the fruits in them.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:15:24 PM
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deliveredarling
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Wow, I didn't realize how very off base I have been.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:16:03 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Why start an argument about this?
Posting of opinions is standard operating procedure here, as well asking quesitoning...
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Here is what I mean, so that we're all clear. The church building isn't more sacred than any other building.
Yet "things" inside make it different...
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The layout and decorations are what these people have seen of churches in movies and television shows and such. They associate these things with church. Does that make the building inherently more sacred? Of course not. However, this association in their minds may cause them to think about religion where they hadn't before.
I believe whatever the purpose of the use at the time would squash the theory of faith by osmosis... If cranking tunes and having a cold one(neither sinful) is the purpose that is where the mind will be, regardless of decorations and more than likely they will be covere and the layout changed...
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:19:18 PM
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If cranking tunes and having a cold one(neither sinful) is the purpose that is where the mind will be,
Exactly.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:23:54 PM
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That's fine. Your opinion is that it's impossible for people to have a seed planted within them while playing music. I disagree. I'd be willing to do quite a bit for even the possibility of someone thinking about Christ more than they otherwise would have.
I am not sure if you understand what I was saying. I never said the layout and decorations made the building more sacred. I simply said they might get someone thinking about Christ. I see a huge difference there.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:24:50 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I don't know about laying it out, but I'll relay what I've read in the Bible.
"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit." - Matthew 7:16-18
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." - Galatians 5:22-23
For me, this means that instead of judging people by their perfection according to the Law of Moses, their full theological agreement with me, or things of that nature, I tend to look for the fruits in them.
How does on exhibit the fruits? By obeying the law, as Christ said, if you love me, obey my commandments... The law being summed up by Christ... Loving God with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself... Just as it was handed down to Moses...
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:25:49 PM
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McFatty
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Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
Let me get this straight, according to this scripture, if we are displaying a worldly attitude or behavior, we are as a thorn bush or a thistle?
Go figure, who would have thunk that having a jam session in a church would produce that? 
We were talking about testing the spirits. I never said anything like what you just wrote.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:28:22 PM
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Your opinion is that it's impossible for people to have a seed planted within them while playing music.
Nope, never said that one, nor is it my opinion.
I don't think seeds will be planted in a place where they are not trying to grow a garden.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:29:56 PM
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I don't know about laying it out, but I'll relay what I've read in the Bible.
"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit." - Matthew 7:16-18
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." - Galatians 5:22-23
For me, this means that instead of judging people by their perfection according to the Law of Moses, their full theological agreement with me, or things of that nature, I tend to look for the fruits in them.
How does on exhibit the fruits? By obeying the law, as Christ said, if you love me, obey my commandments... The law being summed up by Christ... Loving God with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself... Just as it was handed down to Moses...
John
I disagree with the law thing, but we can move over and discuss that in the law thread, if you want. This isn't the place for that.
Fruits are exhibited by treating others with love, kindness, goodness and gentleness, as well as having an attitude of joy, peace, faithfulness, and self-control. That's what I am told to look for to find out who is true and who is false. I've met a lot of Christians who make a habit of condemning others who do not treat people with gentleness and kindness. This is the kind of thing I believe I'm told by God to watch out for.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:31:15 PM
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McFatty
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Your opinion is that it's impossible for people to have a seed planted within them while playing music.
Nope, never said that one, nor is it my opinion.
I don't think seeds will be planted in a place where they are not trying to grow a garden.
I believe it's possible, and the possibility is all I need to be convinced.
Even if it was impossible, there isn't anything inherently wrong with allowing people to play music in a building when nothing else is going on in that building.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:34:49 PM
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How does on exhibit the fruits? By obeying the law, as Christ said, if you love me, obey my commandments... The law being summed up by Christ... Loving God with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself... Just as it was handed down to Moses...
John, haven't you noticed that if things are not specifically written and addressed in the scriptures, then it's not true? Never mind that we have spiritual principal to live by. If we can't dress the world up and make it look like a ministry, were just not Christian anymore.
That's not at all what anyone's saying... 
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:34:56 PM
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That's fine. Your opinion is that it's impossible for people to have a seed planted within them while playing music. I disagree.
Why should I, a building is a building, as you stated...
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I'd be willing to do quite a bit for even the possibility of someone thinking about Christ more than they otherwise would have.
What should prompt them to think about Christ? It's not the Temple... The building is just a box...
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I am not sure if you understand what I was saying.
I understand 100%
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I never said the layout and decorations made the building more sacred.
I never mentioned the "s" word...
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I simply said they might get someone thinking about Christ. I see a huge difference there.
You say a building is a building and you also say the building can influence because of decorations and layout... Of course that is highly subject to other views since who knows what decorations are or not and the layout doesn't mean much since more than likely it wouldn't represent anything to do with church given the function...
John
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 7/24/2008 5:39:19 PM
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Fruits are exhibited by treating others with love, kindness, goodness and gentleness, as well as having an attitude of joy, peace, faithfulness, and self-control. That's what I am told to look for to find out who is true and who is false. I've met a lot of Christians who make a habit of condemning others who do not treat people with gentleness and kindness. This is the kind of thing I believe I'm told by God to watch out for.
While this is very true my friend, you are also told this:
1Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Cr 5:13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
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