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McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 10:23:24 AM
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RichLP
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McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This made my morning.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 1:42:50 PM
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McCain talks about winning a war and he doesn't even know the borders of the country within which the war is happening.
Personally, it proves to me that this man, after having conflated Shiite Iran and Sunni Al-Qaeda, is not aware of the different loyalties and groups that compose the complex Middle Eastern political scene.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 2:22:09 PM
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McCain talks about winning a war and he doesn't even know the borders of the country within which the war is happening.
Personally, it proves to me that this man, after having conflated Shiite Iran and Sunni Al-Qaeda, is not aware of the different loyalties and groups that compose the complex Middle Eastern political scene.
Well, again, if we go by youtube standards, then Obama apprently thinks the Japanese dropped a single bomb on Pearl Harbor, that his (non-existent) uncle liberated Auschwitz, that ethnic cleansing is a good thing, and that there are 57 states. I guess we have two...less than intellectually competent people running for office.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 2:53:45 PM
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Well, again, if we go by youtube standards, then Obama apprently thinks the Japanese dropped a single bomb on Pearl Harbor, that his (non-existent) uncle liberated Auschwitz, that ethnic cleansing is a good thing, and that there are 57 states. I guess we have two...less than intellectually competent people running for office.
Jack,
Let's not confuse the issue now. 
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 3:22:43 PM
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RichLP
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McCain talks about winning a war and he doesn't even know the borders of the country within which the war is happening.
Personally, it proves to me that this man, after having conflated Shiite Iran and Sunni Al-Qaeda, is not aware of the different loyalties and groups that compose the complex Middle Eastern political scene.
Well, again, if we go by youtube standards, then Obama apprently thinks the Japanese dropped a single bomb on Pearl Harbor, that his (non-existent) uncle liberated Auschwitz, that ethnic cleansing is a good thing, and that there are 57 states. I guess we have two...less than intellectually competent people running for office.
McCain is on record having conflated Shia Iran w/ Sunni Al-Qaeda (an error some Crosswalkers have also made - maybe they could've learned by using Youtube) and now he doesn't know the borders of Iraq.
As for Obama (whom you keep dragging into these issues while offering no refutation for McCain's egregious gaffes), you can call him "less than intellectually competent" if you want. I couldn't care less what you think of Obama or of his intellect.
Regarding McCain, I just provided proof he has shown himself to be ignorant of certain Middle East realities. Maybe McCain, too, might've learned something by using...
... Youtube.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 3:33:37 PM
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McCain is on record having conflated Shia Iran w/ Sunni Al-Qaeda (an error some Crosswalkers have also made - maybe they could've learned by using Youtube) and now he doesn't know the borders of Iraq.
As for Obama (whom you keep dragging into these issues while offering no refutation for McCain's egregious gaffes), you can call him incompetent if you want. I never called McCain incompetent. I just provided proof he has shown himself to be ignorant of certain Middle East realities. Maybe McCain, too, might've learned something by using...
... Youtube.
The reason for 'dragging' Obama into it is to make a comparison.
If it were the case where there was one candidate who through repeated television, radio, and newspaper ads never made a factual mistake, and another case where this happened repeatedly, then it could rightly be said, "The latter seems to have a problem". If however it can be shown that such factual gaffes are actually common in the youtube age, where we are constantly inundated by clips of interviews, off camera quips, and a myriad of mumbling responses, then the fact that McCain has done the same would be unremarkable.
I have shown both candidates are capable of such errors (indeed, Obama has his share of youtube gaffes out there) - indeed, in the case of Obama he seems confused about what his own family has or hasn't done in world events. And so if we must follow your conclusion that such gaffes are an indicator of ignorance, then we must conclude tha Obama and McCain are equally ignorant, and there is little choice out there. Or we can conclude that this is more likely the product of an over recorded election cycle, which I optimistically find to be more likely.
Either way, there is little here to distinguish a particular candidate in terms of his worth for President, and I presumed you wanted to say something worthwhile.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 3:44:13 PM
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McCain is on record having conflated Shia Iran w/ Sunni Al-Qaeda (an error some Crosswalkers have also made - maybe they could've learned by using Youtube) and now he doesn't know the borders of Iraq.
As for Obama (whom you keep dragging into these issues while offering no refutation for McCain's egregious gaffes), you can call him incompetent if you want. I never called McCain incompetent. I just provided proof he has shown himself to be ignorant of certain Middle East realities. Maybe McCain, too, might've learned something by using...
... Youtube.
The reason for 'dragging' Obama into it is to make a comparison.
If it were the case where there was one candidate who through repeated television, radio, and newspaper ads never made a factual mistake, and another case where this happened repeatedly, then it could rightly be said, "The latter seems to have a problem". If however it can be shown that such factual gaffes are actually common in the youtube age, where we are constantly inundated by clips of interviews, off camera quips, and a myriad of mumbling responses, then the fact that McCain has done the same would be unremarkable.
I have shown both candidates are capable of such errors (indeed, Obama has his share of youtube gaffes out there) - indeed, in the case of Obama he seems confused about what his own family has or hasn't done in world events. And so if we must follow your conclusion that such gaffes are an indicator of ignorance, then we must conclude tha Obama and McCain are equally ignorant, and there is little choice out there. Or we can conclude that this is more likely the product of an over recorded election cycle, which I optimistically find to be more likely.
Either way, there is little here to distinguish a particular candidate in terms of his worth for President, and I presumed you wanted to say something worthwhile.
McCain wants to win in Iraq. But the man has shown, via his statements, a glaring ignorance of Middle Eastern realities. He thought Shiite Iran, an ideological foe of Al-Qaeda, who is a group of radical Salafi Sunnis, was training Al-Qaeda. He doesn't know there is a certain Islamic nation of considerable size known as Iran between Iraq and Pakistan. Personally, to me, that is a problem.
Gaffes being common or not do not exonerate McCain being ignorant of those realities, and any gaffe by other politicians is no exoneration or excuse for McCain.
As for ethnic cleansing, that happened in Baghdad during the surge, so technically those who tout the surge's successes (McCain) would also agree that in that context, ethnic cleansing was a good thing.
As for saying something worthwhile, I speculate that was your intention when you used the epithet "idiots" above?
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 4:12:34 PM
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McCain wants to win in Iraq. But the man has shown, via his statements, a glaring ignorance of Middle Eastern realities. He thought Shiite Iran, an ideological foe of Al-Qaeda, who is a group of radical Salafi Sunnis, was training Al-Qaeda. He doesn't know there is a certain Islamic nation of considerable size known as Iran between Iraq and Pakistan. Personally, to me, that is a problem.
Gaffes being common or not do not exonerate McCain being ignorant of those realities, and any gaffe by other politicians is no exoneration or excuse for McCain.
As for ethnic cleansing, that happened in Baghdad during the surge, so technically those who tout the surge's successes (McCain) would also agree that in that context, ethnic cleansing was a good thing.
Again, there is no indication that in his consideration of Iraq McCain is unaware of the various factions involved other than the typical back and forth in a video, any more than I think that Obama is unaware that the Japanese used more than one bomb to attack Pearl Harbor or that we have 57 states. Unlike some, I am willing to chalk such things up to bad word choices.
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As for saying something worthwhile, I speculate that was your intention when you used the epithet "idiots" above?
I am sorry if that offended you, it wasn't directed at you in particular but toward the current national habit of the use of argumentum ad youtubium.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 4:21:29 PM
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RichLP
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Again, there is no indication that in his consideration of Iraq McCain is unaware of the various factions involved other than the typical back and forth in a video, any more than I think that Obama is unaware that the Japanese used more than one bomb to attack Pearl Harbor or that we have 57 states. Unlike some, I am willing to chalk such things up to bad word choices.
"various factions" - again, McCain claimed Iran was helping Al-Qaeda when they are diametrically opposed. This is just one occasion McCain has been wrong on Iraq, and it's hardly due to "the typical back and forth in a video."
Unlike some, I think mentioning "bad word choices" is a copout.
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I am sorry if that offended you, it wasn't directed at you in particular but toward the current national habit of the use of argumentum ad youtubium.
I wasn't offended, I just found it amusing you wrote re: saying something worthwhile when you are willing and ready to hurl insults at those whose methods differ from yours - especially since those methods use mainstream media clips showing what politicians say.
A final note: as I said, ethnic cleansing happened in Baghdad during the surge, so technically those who tout the surge's successes (McCain) would also agree that in that context, ethnic cleansing was a good thing - just like the individual you drag in to these discussions.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 4:35:47 PM
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Jhud
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"various factions" - again, McCain claimed Iran was helping Al-Qaeda when they are diametrically opposed. This is just one occasion McCain has been wrong on Iraq, and it's hardly due to "the typical back and forth in a video."
Unlike some, I think mentioning "bad word choices" is a copout.
I disagree, and as I pointed out, unless you are ready to concede Obama is equally capable of of either ignorance or gaffes, then you are being disingenous here.
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I wasn't offended, I just found it amusing you wrote re: saying something worthwhile when you are willing and ready to hurl insults at those whose methods differ from yours - especially since those methods use mainstream media clips showing what politicians say.
Well, let me be clear - I didn't intend to hurl an insult at you, but I still find the method of discussion horribly unintelligent, because it is. That has nothing to do with an insult, but the inherent nature of the medium.
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A final note: as I said, ethnic cleansing happened in Baghdad during the surge, so technically those who tout the surge's successes (McCain) would also agree that in that context, ethnic cleansing was a good thing - just like the individual you drag in to these discussions.
Well, no, it does not follow that if Z occurred during the course of X, one thinks Z is good. Z may be an very unfortunate thing, even if the final result was good.
But Obama specifically said ethnic cleansing was good, meaning that you either support him despite this, or agree with me that it is one more gaffe to be expected in this season.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 5:46:07 PM
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McCain should know better, but so should Obama fans. Whatever dumb thing McCain says, Obama can usually top it. And that's the case here.
It turns out that Obama didn't even know much about the geography of his own state. In an attempt to explain his weak polling in Kentucky, Obama said, “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” Apparently he wasn't aware that Illinois, his state, shares a border with Kentucky. Arkansas, her state, does not.
Where am I?
Doesn't Obama live in Illinois?
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 6:08:20 PM
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Doesn't Obama live in Illinois?
The hilljacks of Kentucky are more closely related to the inbreds of Arkansas than to the more cultured inhabitants of Illinois. What goes on south of the Ohio River stays to the south of the Ohio river.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 7:55:37 PM
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The Pakistan thing was just an honest flub, I think. So I can't fault him for that.
As to Czechloslovakia, I actually slip up and call it that too at times.
People get tired.
But the sunni/shiite confusion was more than that.
He repeated it in several different interviews and within different contexts, which would lead one to believe that it was actually the information he's going on, as oppossed to just a verbal slip up.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 8:01:57 PM
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I just hope he stays away from the DIA else we might bomb the wrong country some day :0
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 8:25:16 PM
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...and the gaffes pile up....
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said “Iraq” on Monday when he apparently meant “Afghanistan”, adding to a string of mixed-up word choices that is giving ammunition to the opposition.
Just in the past three weeks, McCain has also mistaken "Somalia" for "Sudan," and even football’s Green Bay Packers for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Ironically, the errors have been concentrated in what should be his area of expertise: foreign affairs.
McCain will turn 72 the day after Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) accepts his party’s nomination for president at the age of 47, calling new attention to the sensitive issue of McCain’s advanced age three days before the start of his own convention.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 10:09:01 PM
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...and the gaffes pile up....
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said “Iraq” on Monday when he apparently meant “Afghanistan”, adding to a string of mixed-up word choices that is giving ammunition to the opposition.
Just in the past three weeks, McCain has also mistaken "Somalia" for "Sudan," and even football’s Green Bay Packers for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Ironically, the errors have been concentrated in what should be his area of expertise: foreign affairs.
McCain will turn 72 the day after Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) accepts his party’s nomination for president at the age of 47, calling new attention to the sensitive issue of McCain’s advanced age three days before the start of his own convention.
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Chuckles...
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 11:26:01 PM
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RichLP
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John McCain, in a few weeks' time, has made public gaffes about Czechoslovakia, Somalia, Darfur, Afghanistan, Iraq (Pakistan border). He has conflated Shiite Iran w/ Sunni (and Salafi) Al-Qaeda.
And now, John McCain, who has repeatedly told America that foreign policy is his expertise, has reversed the timeline of the Awakening and the Surge.
Couric: Senator Obama says, while the increased number of U.S. troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni Awakening and the Shiite government going after militias. And says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What’s your response to that?
McCain: I don’t know how you respond to something that is such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel McFarlane was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the Surge we were able to go out and protect the Sheik and others. And it began the Anbar Awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history.
This is preposterous. McCain keeps harping about how he is a foreign policy expert but he got the timeline completely wrong. And McCain insists it's Obama who doesn't know and understand what's happening in Iraq?
A matter of history - history which he is very ignorant of. This cannot be waved off as nervousness on the camera and it certainly cannot be neutralized by statements of factual error made by other politicians. If this man wants to be the next US president, if he insists he can and will lead us to victory and yet he is so completely unaware of the facts about the very history he claims he knows, I see absolutely no reason that McCain deserves the confidence of the American people when it comes to Iraq.
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RE: McCain thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - 7/22/2008 11:27:37 PM
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So nit-picking McCain's words, and making a fuss about them, are justifiable, but nit-picking Obama's words are not"
Based on what?
When, and where, is this list of things that Obama and his supporters have deemed off limits to criticism going to end so we can learn somehing about him and his true stand on issues, and plans for America?
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