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RE: Do You Think - 8/7/2008 6:33:07 AM
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Every man finds a different woman attractive. Perhaps he finds a fat woman attractive for some reason. What is attractive is often a function of culture. If you look at the paintings of ancient Greece and Rome, you will find plenty of fat women. In those cultures, being slender meant you were impoverished and did not have enough to eat. Thin was ugly, uneducated and malnourished. Fat meant rich, well educated, healthy and beautiful.
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RE: Do You Think - 8/7/2008 7:29:41 AM
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Peace, brother Randy. At least at some point in that semi rant, I got a little reassurance you would not be inclined to be mean to the weight challenged.
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RE: Do You Think - 8/7/2008 9:23:55 AM
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revbob4God
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Speaking of being weight challenged, would any of you gents care to check out a recent thread I posted in current events? see Death Row inmate in ohio says he is too fat to be put to death.
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RE: Do You Think - 8/7/2008 9:29:39 AM
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These are your words DreadPirateRandy:
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I find overweightness and obesity to be a total turn off (emphasis mine)
Out of what context do I take this statements. The words "a total turn off." Pretty much mean what they are. I am trying to be kind here as well as you are, it is a matter of personal choice. One of the most popular and widely viewed chef's on the t.v. is Emeril, not to mention his overall success as a restauranteur, the man is overweight, but he cooks for a living, and is a very successfull overweight individual. All I'm saying is that the media is mostly biased towards overweight individuals in that when they show images in the news it is always of individuals whose clothes don't fit well, most are lower class, sloppy dressed. For most of the other individuals it isn't like this and because we are all lumped into the same, lazy, careless category, it just gets pretty aggrevating. I happen to dress rather well, with clothes that fit and I do what I can when I can. I start my day mostly at 6 a.m. with my kids getting them ready for the day and by the time my day ends it is 9:30 sometimes 10 in the evening. The rest of my day is dedicated to everyone else, my kids, my wife, my office, my church, my community...
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RE: Do You Think - 8/7/2008 10:08:19 AM
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I believe the media and society places too much importance on the barbie doll mentality and physique and this has historically proven to be a dangerous detriment to women of all ages.
And, unfortunately to men as well.
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RE: Do You Think - 8/7/2008 10:33:40 AM
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As for my personal preference, I find overweightness and obesity to be a total turn off.
So let us suppose just for a moment that you meet and marry this fabulous young beautiful woman 110 pounds, 5'2", great shape, perfect hair, body.... 5 years go by, a baby, maybe two then the mid 30's early 40's roll around she starts to put on weight, life is busy with the kids, soccer, tennis, school functions, church functions, she has gained like 50 pounds... What then? Do you dare tell her that she is fat and she should lose weight? Not to mention how much weight you have gained as you get older and life starts getting in the way of your ability to work out regularly, so you have gained 50 pounds or so... Who are you to mention to her that she is fat!
tact is everything...
the man should take initiative and lead the both to more fit lives...if the benefit will be losing weight...so be it...it's how you live, not what you accomplish.
we are stewards of our bodies. take care of them, no matter what.
I married my wife, based on who she was compared to the Proverbs 31 woman. (she is fit, and works out regularly, but that's only a small part of her character) Character matters. Remember that "Charm is deceitful, and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord shall be praised"...
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RE: Do You Think - 8/8/2008 2:29:29 AM
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What is attractive is often a function of culture.
Interesting perspective.
Statistically speaking, civilization has accepted obesity, given that over half our nation is obese by 15%. While I don't think this is so to be "cool" or modern, or whatever, but it's grew and become the norm for such a time now, that it has become more widely accepted. Promoted to a certain extent, even.
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Peace, brother Randy. At least at some point in that semi rant, I got a little reassurance you would not be inclined to be mean to the weight challenged.
"Weight challenged". That sounds like some form of disease. Under very few circumstances would obesity be classified as a medical issue. It's purely a health issue. A health issue that isn't hard to correct given effort.
I will not show any sympathy toward anyone who complains about their weight and does nothing about it, given that they're fully capable of doing so. I was overweight, I did something about it. There is no excuses for anyone who is fully capable but unwilling.
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Death Row inmate in ohio says he is too fat to be put to death.
It sounds like McDonald's has got him half way there.
(for the sensitive, that was a joke.)
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These are your words DreadPirateRandy:
No, those were not my words. That was a portion of my words taken from a sentence in which the context revolved around my personal preference. Therefore, you took that portion out of the original context and applied it as a basis of my general belief of overweight individuals.
This was my original sentence:
"As for my personal preference, I find overweightness and obesity to be a total turn off."
That sentence describes what turns me off in what kind of woman I'm attracted to. The question asked if I would date someone overweight, and I presented my personal preference. I do indeed find fat a turn off, just like some men may find it a turn on. It's a personal preference that is specifically applied to myself and my interests. It's not covering my belief on the obese society.
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RE: Do You Think - 8/8/2008 9:30:39 AM
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Here are my thoughts on the matter: I have never felt sorry for a guy with any women. Well, actually I have felt sorry for a guy who married someone he deeply loved and she got a terminal form of cancer and he lost her. I know of guys who like larger woman. Its a personal thing. One of my friends told me that a girl I was interested in was way too skinny for him. I agree with the whole "guys go after the same as them" I find myself interested in woman of similiar physical qualities as me although I have been known to go outside this and I definitly am not looking for the female version of me.
Saying all that: I know there is a good chance my wife will gain wieght though I have seen some who stay pretty fit. I would like her to atleast be fit when we marry because that is what I really find attractive. However, If she gains wieght - well I also define attractive as someone whose personality is awesome as well. It would be nice if both of us could keep up a good physique because I have heard that, although a marriage should be built on much more than looks, physical appearance can do a lot for the relationship. It is also true that guys are very visual and I think this is an inborn thing that they can't help. True, many guys put way too much value on physical appearance. But I think there is some value to a woman trying to look nice, especially if she is getting in shape while doing so.
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RE: Do You Think - 8/8/2008 9:38:55 AM
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This was my original sentence:
"As for my personal preference, I find overweightness and obesity to be a total turn off."
Hey friend. But as an overall policy, you sitting at a desk at your office, and in walks an individual on the large side, your bias towards fat woman doesn't translate to the rest of your relationships? I find that most with a personal preference as you put it, are pretty well biased towards the entirety. I haven't found anyone that can separate disgust for a large group of society (no pun intended) from an indivdual basis. That is the thesis of my argument here. If it is a turnoff in one area, it generally is a turnoff in all areas as it relates to personal relationships. Nothing personal, just the things that I have experienced.
But, what is important to me right now is getting my family where they are supposed to be, supporting my wife in her endevours, being at my office and dealing in a professional manner, supporting my church, helping my community. When I find time for myself, I assure you, excercise isn't much on my mind, but generally relaxing is. Does this make me lazy, therefore fat, well so be it, are my kids happy, Yes, they love football, soccer, tennis, karate, baseball, softball, childrens church, wednesday services, volunteering. Is my wife happy, yes, she loves being everywhere that the kids are, doing her part for our church, and all of the things that she is involved in. Am I happy, yes, I love the music I play, I love taking the kids to all of their functions, I love meeting with members of our community to develop and implement functions to benefit our society, I love meeting with church members in our small groups, and bible studies, worship team practice. Wait a minute, I didn't fit in there the 1 hour a day workout... Darn it...
Get the point here Dread... I am a busy individual, not a lazy fat individual. And there are many many many people like me. So when you say that obesity is a turn off, I say it is part and parcel to having no time for myself but that is fine, cause everyone I know is happy. Do I like being looked down on by people who feel as though I'm just too lazy to get up a 5 a.m instead of 6 a.m. not much, but I can't help it much either.
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