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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/6/2008 4:30:23 PM
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Room2Grow
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Jae- a few thoughts.... 1. Try the lovey like Donna said- might work, might not, but certainly won't hurt (Anna didn't go for it until over a year, though she did like it when I wasn't around ie. nursery) 2. This might just be who he is and this is your season to cater to him- THIS IS NOT WRONG 3. Do you have a rice bag? I usually recommend this for new ones in the winter who get cold, but when mine were really young, I would heat a rice bag in the microwave (just lukewarm) and then tuck it in beside them when I first put them down (it cools over time unlike a heating pad, so there is no burn risk)- perhaps if you did that in his crib for his first part of sleep at night it might help him feel comfy a little longer and then slowly build up how long he will sleep... Anyway, those are my tips for the day- again, go with your gut- you are his mama and your instincts are not totally off- maybe he is just needy and needs you a lot, maybe he is ready for more independence- if something doesn't feel right to you, STOP! Anna slept with me in one form or another for 22 months- I did it because it was easier and because she truly seemed to NEED it- we tried several things that did not work. Now, she is very independent- in a play ground she will run off and climb up by herself, she will go into a nursery without crying and have fun- If he needs you now and you meet his needs, you are not making a needy child, you are giving him what he needs now so that he can become independent later.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/6/2008 5:19:45 PM
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Mrs.X
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Jae, you might try putting the lovey in between you and Jadon when you are nursing, especially when you think he is comfort nursing. Just tuck it in between you...maybe rub the softness on his cheek too if that doesn't distract him from nursing. You want him to associate those cuddly times with the lovey, so that maybe the lovey will help him self-comfort.
Might not work, but it's worth a try anyway.
Yeah, Jae, this is what we're doing too. I also did what Manda said (I think she must have said it while ago too because I remembered to do it) with the deodorant. I don't wear perfume on a regular basis, but I always use the same deodorant.
I've only been doing it for a few weeks, but I noticed that Jimmy likes to play with that froggy now, and sometimes he cuddles it during the day. So, hopefully, I'll start to see some improvement at night soon too. Whenever he's playing, I always try to remember to put it next to him, so the froggy is always around. And, I pretend to make the froggy kiss Jimmy and hug him.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/6/2008 11:34:57 PM
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I found that sleep regression was something we just had to live with, although Gabby is/was typically content to come to bed with me while she drank her bottle and then I would put her right back in bed.
Maybe you can start transitioning Jadon that way? Nurse him for say, 5 minutes, give him his pacifier and then put him back in the cosleeper?
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 8:48:04 AM
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manda59
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He throws a FIT if he isn't in a deep sleep when/if I lay him somewhere else. He instantly pops his head up and starts crying.
So, when you feel strong enough and this happens, pick him up, give him a cuddle, pop the dummy in and put him back down. If he cries, repeat etc etc. If it was me, I'd be leaving it a minute or two before picking him up again, but then my need was quite desperate so I was determined!
Do you pop him in his crib, say, during the day, when you are cleaning/tidying or vacuuming his room? It might help if he associated the crib with more than just being put down to sleep.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 8:50:57 AM
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[color990099]When he pops his head up and cries, have you tried gently directing it back down and rubbing the back of it or patting his back for a minute while saying, "shhhhh....ni-nigh time"? It will probably take more than one time of it and maybe a few minutes of patting, but it can be done.[/color]
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 8:51:31 AM
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When he pops his head up and cries, have you tried gently directing it back down and rubbing the back of it or patting his back for a minute while saying, "shhhhh....ni-nigh time"? It will probably take more than one time of it and maybe a few minutes of patting, but it can be done.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 8:52:32 AM
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Argh...some of my buttons aren't working for some reason. Namely the edit and delete buttons.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 11:36:20 AM
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Yes, I wouldn't worry about normal to much for sleeps. But if his total sleep time in 24 hours is drastically below normal, you could speak to you ped about it.
Nathan at that age usually took three 45 minute naps during the day, if memory serves. Now he often sleeps for a two hour nap, but only once per day. I'd say Manda's kids are non-typical in the amount of sleep they needed, but it's what worked for them.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 11:54:12 AM
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I'd say Manda's kids are non-typical in the amount of sleep they needed, but it's what worked for them.
I was rather hoping they'd sleep more than that too - especially my first one! But it actually was far more stressful for me to keep trying to settling him back down again (believe me, I tried) than getting him up and, say, taking him out for a walk or a drive. You can't force children to sleep - if they want it, they'll take it, if they don't, they don't.
Even now, at 19 and 15, they don't need a lot of sleep. It's just how they are.
Having a long nap (or two) in the day may be what might suit mum best; but it may not suit the baby best!
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 12:05:39 PM
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Jae, if he had dark circles under his eyes all the time, he may not be getting enough sleep.
Here is an average...
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Newborn 16 to 20 hours per day
3 weeks 16 to 18 hours per day
6 weeks 15 to 16 hours per day
4 months 9 to 12 hours plus two naps (2 to 3 hours each)
6 months 11 hours plus two naps (1 1/2 to 2 1/2 hours each)
9 months 11 to 12 hours plus two naps (1 to 2 hours each)
1 year 10 to 11 hours plus two naps (1 to 2 hours each)
18 months 13 hours plus one or two naps (1 to 2 hours each)
2 years 11 to 12 hours plus one nap (2 hours)
3 years 10 to 11 hours plus one nap (2 hours)
4 to 5 years 10 to 12 hours. Usually no nap.
From HERE
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 12:08:51 PM
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Sideways
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Stina, I'd have to say that while Nathan is a pretty good sleeper, he rarely has gotten as much sleep as that chart.
Manda, I am so looking forward to cooler weather so taking Nathan out for a walk isn't just a tiring experience. I just can't walk uphill, in 90 degree weather when I'm in my second trimester.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 12:15:53 PM
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Jimmy is the same way, Ruth. Timmy sleeps/slept way more than that for his age though. Like now at almost three, he sleep from 8p-7a and takes a 3 hour nap.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 12:37:38 PM
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Here is an average...
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Newborn 16 to 20 hours per day
3 weeks 16 to 18 hours per day
6 weeks 15 to 16 hours per day
4 months 9 to 12 hours plus two naps (2 to 3 hours each)
6 months 11 hours plus two naps (1 1/2 to 2 1/2 hours each)
9 months 11 to 12 hours plus two naps (1 to 2 hours each)
1 year 10 to 11 hours plus two naps (1 to 2 hours each)
18 months 13 hours plus one or two naps (1 to 2 hours each)
2 years 11 to 12 hours plus one nap (2 hours)
3 years 10 to 11 hours plus one nap (2 hours)
4 to 5 years 10 to 12 hours. Usually no nap.
From HERE
I wonder how they reached those numbers? They'd have to had to have asked thousands of mothers about their babies, surely?
My two had both dropped all daytime naps by 14 months; ds was sleeping 9-11 hours at night, dd 11-12. They were always the liveliest brightest of children and never had bags under their eyes.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 1:13:18 PM
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PrincessDonna
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The bags can also be a sign of allergies.
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 1:34:14 PM
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Jae...the approach of holding him down, or gently forcefully making him lay down, might work with some babies....but with others it backfires on you. For instance...I will use two of mine as examples.....Jake you couldn't do that with, Hannah you could (and almost had to).
Jake:
When I would try holding him down, Jake would just get worse...he couldn't (and even still to this day can't) handle that kind of physical touch. We would literally try and try and try (because of listening to others who said "just make him"  ) and the only thing that would result is several hours of fights and screams, sore muscles for us, and a baby who was very very very unhappy and now too upset to sleep. It was just not for him. Even what you mentioned as just gently pushing his head down onto the pillow was too much for Jake. Back a few years ago when he had to go to the ER and get stitches in the back of his thigh, it wasn't the pain that made him such a horrible candidate....it was him having to be held down. He took the pain medicine shot with no problem, just holding my hand....but when they wanted someone to hold him down to make sure he didn't move for the stitches, he freaked....and it literally took three full size strong adults (two of which worked in the medical field at some point and know how to hold someone down) to hold down a seven year old. He just can't handle that kind of treatment.
Hannah:
Totally opposite child from our first..in every way. She loved to be held tight when she was going to sleep... and when she outgrew the swaddling stage she still required being held tight in order to get settled. The way I would get her to go to sleep was to lay on my side on our bed (because of living situations at the time, she didn't have room for her own bed til 3yo, so she was in our bed until then)...anyway, lay on my side on the bed, arm out, and lay her with her head on my arm (in the bend of my elbow). Then I would take my top leg and lay it across her legs, and with my other arm I would hold down her free arm and hold that hand. If I didn't do this she would not sleep well...restless sleep, not go into any deep sleep cycles, and at times not sleep at all. As long as I held her down (like I described) she would be asleep within about five minutes and within about ten I could get up and do whatever I needed to do.
naps...I am trying to remember them all at that age........
ummmmm....Jake was six months when we moved to Ft Hood....and the three months we lived on base there he would sleep two hour long naps during the day...then would go to bed about midnight (he has always gone to bed at midnight, no matter what we tried or how we tried to reset his system...it is futile!!).
Hannah slept much longer then that....I know at 9mo (when my cousin's baby was born, which is why I remember it) she would sleep three or four times a day still, for an hour or two each time. Total it was always about the same amount of sleep, just sometimes in three naps and sometimes in four.
Emma...lets see.....nothing rings out for her at six months, but at five months I went to visit my mom from Germany for a month.....and during that time she would take two hour and a half or so naps a day (late morning and late afternoon). So I would guess that around 6 months it was about the same.
Jackson.....(ummm, do you KNOW how hard it is to keep up with this much information on this many kids)....at 7mo is when we moved from Germany, and at that time he was still taking 3-4 naps a day...he would wake up, eat, play for a while (usually about an hour and a half to two hours) then need to be back to sleep for a few hours. He was like that all day and night...and usually a nap for him was 3-4 hours.
And of course Justice isn't that age yet, so I can't tell you how he will be then...lol.
I have no clue what the point of this post is, except maybe to tel you how my kids have all been so far.....I don't know...I lost my train of thought (still sick)
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RE: Baby Chat (take 4) - 9/7/2008 1:44:11 PM
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David is not quite 3 months and he sleeps about 10 hours at night and takes maybe 4 30 minute naps during the day.
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