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lilee -> Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/13/2008 10:35:13 PM)

My husband is thinking and about becoming a Jew he is reading and learning on what they believe. He asked me today if I become a Jew what will you do? I don't really know what Jews believe so DH told me some things. In my understanding to sum it up they believe in God and its almost like Christanity but there is no Christ. Jews don't think he has come yet. This is really stressing me how can a christain all his life believe in Christ as Lord of his life. But now is questioning it. He said that if he would become a Jew we could not be married becouse it would be to hard being a house spirtally divided. I pray that this time of trial will only being my husband close to God and JESUS. and not tear us apart.
I know some will ask. We have been married for 4 years and been together for 8. We got married making it a testomony of our faith in Jesus Christ. If dh doesn't believe in Jesus anymore is the marriage void?
Help



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/13/2008 11:12:23 PM)

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If dh doesn't believe in Jesus anymore is the marriage void?


Nope.
It almost sounds to me as if he is looking for an excuse. [&:]

Would he be willing to go in for counseling with your pastor or a Christian counselor? To maybe investigate whatever problems he has with Christianity?



DaveW -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/14/2008 7:31:52 AM)

If he undergoes a formal (probably orthodox) conversion to Judiasm, most rabbis will require him to deny Christ and believing the NT. He will also be obliging himself to the Law:

Gal 5:3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.

As his wife you will have to observe very strict dietary constraints. Rabbinic Kosher is a real trip. Too involved to get into here, but there are many sources on the web.

Have you discussed attending a messianic congregation with him?



jaimestarcross -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/14/2008 11:54:35 AM)

The Bible states: A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
No man can keep the Law because if he fails in one part of it he's failed in all of it.

If your husband wants to know what you will do if he becomes a Jew - remind him of your faith in Christ and how you will remain steadfast in your trust in Christ and will pray for him regardless of what he does.

*You two are still married according to the law of the land(marriages are civil matters) - not according to his change of mind.... he'll have to divorce you and fork over money (if applicable) and half of the marital property or more(if applicable.)



JesKlu -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/14/2008 2:37:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaveW

If he undergoes a formal (probably orthodox) conversion to Judiasm, most rabbis will require him to deny Christ and believing the NT. He will also be obliging himself to the Law:

Gal 5:3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.

As his wife you will have to observe very strict dietary constraints. Rabbinic Kosher is a real trip. Too involved to get into here, but there are many sources on the web.

Have you discussed attending a messianic congregation with him?


That's what I was thinking, maybe she should attend a Messianic congregation with him.

To deny faith in Christ is to deny eternal life, that isn't a good trade.

But some Christians start to venture into the Jewish roots of the faith, and sometimes start questioning their faith because the Jews are God's chosen people, we (gentiles) are not, that kind of mindeset. But he still doesn't understand that gentile Christians are grafted in to the commonwealth of Israel, making you a part of Israel. If you are part of the Church, the invisible Church, you are also a part of Israel, God's chosen.

lilee, I will pray for your husband to stand fast in the faith, and DaveW gave a good suggestion, becoming a part of a messianic congregation.

Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica



MC4JC -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/14/2008 8:25:27 PM)

Jesus said that the only way to heaven would be thru him and belief in him. However, for the Jews that were before him, that did not count. BUT anyone that was around when Jesus walked the earth up to the present time - you have to go by Jesus; even the Jews today - those that do NOT believe in Jesus as the son of God will not see heaven.

Does your husband realize this? I too don't understand how a believer of Jesus can turn his/her back to him knowing the truth.



carl54 -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/14/2008 8:36:24 PM)

Remind him that to deny Jesus is to deny God, 1 John 4:3. It is not a little thing to deny Christ. He is venturing into dangerous territory and you have to stand your ground and proclaim to him that Jesus is Lord. You should find a Jewish convert to Christianity and get that person to talk to your husband.



Mrs.Above_All -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/14/2008 11:28:15 PM)

This is very interesting. I too would encourage him to attend a Messianic ministry, one with a Messianic Jewish Rabbi. He is treating his Hebrew roots and belief in Jesus as two separate things. He needs to understand that the two are one in the same.



Kat_D -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/15/2008 12:03:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lilee

My husband is thinking and about becoming a Jew he is reading and learning on what they believe. He asked me today if I become a Jew what will you do? I don't really know what Jews believe so DH told me some things. In my understanding to sum it up they believe in God and its almost like Christanity but there is no Christ. Jews don't think he has come yet. This is really stressing me how can a christain all his life believe in Christ as Lord of his life. But now is questioning it. He said that if he would become a Jew we could not be married becouse it would be to hard being a house spirtally divided. I pray that this time of trial will only being my husband close to God and JESUS. and not tear us apart.
I know some will ask. We have been married for 4 years and been together for 8. We got married making it a testomony of our faith in Jesus Christ. If dh doesn't believe in Jesus anymore is the marriage void?
Help


Unless your husband was born of a Jewish Mother he will never be a Jew/Jewish. He can convert to Judaism which my daughter recently did, but my daughter will always be Goyim/Gentile because though her father is Jewish, her Mother (me) is not.

What are your husbands reasons for converting?



DaveW -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/15/2008 7:04:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kat_D

Unless your husband was born of a Jewish Mother he will never be a Jew/Jewish. He can convert to Judaism which my daughter recently did, but my daughter will always be Goyim/Gentile because though her father is Jewish, her Mother (me) is not.
Says who? Matrilineal succession is a Rabbinic decision. It is also a Rabbinic decision to accept anyone who converts as fully Jewish.



Kat_D -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/15/2008 10:16:58 AM)

Lilee, I do hope your husband knows that practicing Judaism is a BIG job. Have you asked him if he is sure he is up to keeping all of the 613 Mitzvots? In case he doesn't know what they are, you can show him HERE.



jaimestarcross -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/17/2008 10:34:31 AM)

Something to think about:

Look how long the apostles were with Christ - seen the miracles and heard His Words/teachings but they struggled with doubts/fears. (They were also double minded) When Jesus was "taken" and tried before the leaders - his apostles deserted him and denied him! (They were acting in fear and doubts!)

*When we see a brother or sister slipping into doubts about Christ - we need to gently instruct them in the Truth of God's Word. Doubts creep in when one hasn't been staying focused(trusting) on the Lord - and not growing in knowledge and faith about what Christ accomplished. The Bible encourages us to continue to grow in faith - and not to be double minded.

Christ seeks his sheep that turned away:
When Christ returned from the dead - revealed himself to his disciples(who were still operating in doubts/fears.) He gently reminded them of what they'd been taught (when he{Christ} was walking with them before He was crucified.) Christ addressed their fears/doubts - He continued instructing/teaching them the Truth of His Word.



lilee -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/21/2008 10:42:29 AM)

Thank you for writing and telling me what you think.
I believe in God and his promises to me. I hope that God will make this time a time were my husband will come out closer to God than he is now. It does scare me that I could loss him.
Maggie (3cap) I have been reading your post for a while now and really take what you say to heart. I think this is true that this is not all of the problem. I talked to my pastors wife yesterday and she thinks that there is alot going on in his life that he needs to work though. I am getting help from her and others in the church. The elders are talking with my husband now and are not going to stop praying for him.
For the ones who think I should go to a jewish church... Why in the world should I leave my church my faith and go some where else. To me that is just saying that I am denying Christ too. I'm not going to let my husband pull me down with him.
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But some Christians start to venture into the Jewish roots of the faith, and sometimes start questioning their faith because the Jews are God's chosen people, we (gentiles) are not, that kind of mindeset. But he still doesn't understand that gentile Christians are grafted in to the commonwealth of Israel, making you a part of Israel. If you are part of the Church, the invisible Church, you are also a part of Israel, God's chosen.


this I beleive is true, and my husband needs to learn. What the elect really is that we are Israel now.
to Carl54 I think that my husband talking to someone who was a jew and now a christain would be a good idea but I don't know where to find a person like that.
Jaimestarcross I think you do have the right idea he has just slipped away and that doesn't mean that Christ will not find him and bring him back.
I believe that this week has taught me that God is faithful to the faithful. That I need to keep my faith and not go astray with my husband. That if God wants him in His kingdom God will pull him back in.
Please keep praying that God will pull him back SOON!
This spirtal battle in my house is not fun!



Nmbr1wife -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/22/2008 2:22:11 AM)

If he leaves Christianity and becomes Jewish, that would make you two unevenly yoked. It will be very difficult to maintain your marriage this way. The marriage won't have a foundation in Christ if your husband doesn't believe in Him. Maybe your husband is a little lost right now and needs to find his way back. Seek out a Christian counselor or talk to your pastor, but most importantly pray about it.



lilee -> RE: Jew vs. Christain/Husband vs. Wife (7/23/2008 10:21:40 AM)

nmbr1wife,
What you say is very true and is what I'm having trouble with right now. My husband has been talking to the elders and the pastor. But right now is saying he doesn't believe in Christ. He told me last night that I had to stay with him even if he is not a christain. We did not get married unevenly yoked. But I guess the Bible does say that the chirstain can not leave and non chirstain. That I have to be an example and pray that God will bring the lost sheep back to the flock. This is so hard. My husband says that he wishes he could just turn the switch back on and believe in Jesus.



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