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ORIGINAL: RichLP

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
You can *Yawn* all you want, but it's true. And we've bailed France out on several occasions, both World Wars. They showed their appreciation by disagreeing with the US in most UN issues. They really love us!

By your logic, a country who disagrees with the United States in the UN does not "love" America. Even though the French have always had diplomatic relations with America and were part of NATO.

Well, a quick search of the United States at the United Nations will show that there were many occasions where many nations in the world disagreed with the United States.

1978
Dec. 15 33/75 119-2 (US, Israel)
Urges the Security Council, especially its permanent members, to take all necessary measures for insuring UN decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.

Dec. 18 33/110 110-2 (US, Israel)
Living conditions of the Palestinian people

Dec. 18 33/113C 97-3 (US, Israel, Guatemala)
Condemnation of Israeli human rights record in occupied territories

Dec. 19 33/136 119-1 (US)
Calls upon developed countries to increase quantity and quality of
development assistance to underdeveloped countries.

1979
Jan. 24 33/183M 114-3 (US, France, UK)
To end all military and nuclear collaboration with apartheid South Africa

Jan. 29 33/196 111-1 (US)
Protectionism of developing countries' exports

Nov. 23 34/46 136-1 (US)
Alternate approaches within the UN system for improving the
enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms

Nov. 23 34/52E 121-3 (US, Israel, Australia)
Return of inhabitants expelled by Israel.

Dec. 11 34/83J 120-3 (US, UK, France)
Negotiations on disarmament and cessation of nuclear arms race.

Dec. 12 34/90A 111-2 (US, Israel)
Demand that Israel desist from certain human rights violations

Dec. 12 34/93D 132-3 (US, UK, France)
Strengthening arms embargo against South Africa

Dec. 12 34/93I 134-3 (US, UK, France)
Assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement.

Dec. 14 34/100 104-2 (US, Israel)
Against support for intervention in the internal or external affairs of States.

Dec. 14 34/113 120-2 (US, Israel)
Request for report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.

Dec. 14 34/133 112-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Assistance to Palestinian people.

Dec. 14 34/136 118-2 (US, Israel)
Sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.

Dec. 17 34/158 121-2 (US, Israel)
Prepare and carry out the UN Conference on Women

Dec. 17 34/160 122-2 (US, Israel)
Include Palestinian women in agenda of UN Conference on Women

Dec. 19 34/199 112-1 (US)
Safeguarding rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations

1980
Nov. 3 35/13E 96-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Requests Israel to return displace persons.

Dec. 5 35/57 134-1 (US)
Establishment of a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.

Dec. 5 35/75 118-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns Israeli policy re the living conditions of Palestinian people.

Dec. 11 35/119 134-3 (US, UK, France)
Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

Dec. 11 35/122C 118-2 (US, Israel)
Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. [Same day, similar resolutions, 35/122E -- 119-2 vote, and 35/122F -- 117-2]

Dec. 11 35/136 132-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Endorse Program of Action for Second Half of UN Decade for Women

Dec. 12 35/145A 111-2 (US, UK)
Cessation of all nuclear test explosions

Dec. 12 35/154 110-2 (US, Albania)
Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.

Dec. 15 35/169C 120-3 (US, Israel, Australia)
Rights of Palestinians

Dec. 15 35/174 120-1 (US)
Emphasising that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.

Dec. 16 35/206J 137-3 (US, UK, France)
Assistance to oppressed people of South Africa and their national liberation movement.

1981
Oct. 28 36/12 145-1 (US)
Anti-racism; condemns apartheid in South Africa and Namibia

Oct. 28 36/13 124-1 (US)
Condemns collaboration of certain States and transnational corporations with the South African regime

Oct. 28 36/15 114-2 (US, Israel)
Demand that Israel cease excavations of certain sites in E. Jerusalem

Nov. 9 36/18 123-1 (US)
To promote co-operative movements in developing countries (agricultural, savings and credits, housing, consumer protection, social services, etc.)

Nov. 9 36/19 126-1 (US)
The right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes

Nov. 13 36/27 109-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns Israel for its bombing of an Iraqi nuclear installation

Dec. 1 36/68 133-3 (US, UK, Guatemala)
Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories

Dec. 4 36/73 109-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns Israeli policy re living conditions of the Palestinian people

Dec. 9 36/84 118-2 (US, UK)
Cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons

Dec. 9 36/87B 107-2 (US, Israel)
Establishment of a nuclear-weapon free zone in the Middle East

Dec. 9 36/92J 78-3 (US, Canada, Brazil)
World-wide action for collecting signatures in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote disarmament

Dec. 9 36/96B 109-1 (US)
Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons

Dec. 9 36/98 101-2 (US, Israel)
Demands Israelis renounce possession of nuclear weapons

Dec. 10 36/120A 121-2 (US, Israel)
Rights of the Palestinian people

Dec. 10 36/120B 119-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Palestinian rights

Dec. 10 36/120E 139-2 (US, Israel)
Status of Jerusalem

Dec. 14 36/133 135-1 (US)
Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc. are human rights

Dec. 16 36/146A 141-2 (US, Israel)
Palestinian refugees in the Gaza Strip

Dec. 16 36/146B 121-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Rights of displaced Palestinians to return to their homes

Dec. 16 36/146C 117-2 (US, Israel)
Revenues derived from Palestinian refugees' properties

Dec.16 36/146G 119-2(US, Israel)
Establishment of University of Jerusalem for
Palestinian refugees

Dec. 16 36/147C 111-2 (US,Israel)
Israeli violations of human rights in occupied
territories

Dec. 16 36/147F 114-2 (US,Israel)
Condemns Israeli closing of universities in
occupied territories

Dec. 16 36/149B 147-2 (US,Israel)
Calls for the establishment of a new and more
just world information and communications order

Dec. 16 36/150 139-2 (US,Israel)
Opposes Israel's decision to build a canal
linking the Mediterranean Sea to the Dead Sea

Dec. 17 36/172C 136-1 (US)
Condemns aggression by South Africa against
Angola and other African states.

Dec. 17 36/172H 129-2 (US, UK)
To organize an international conference of
trade unions on sanctions against South Africa

Dec. 17 36/172L 126-2 (US, UK)
To encourage various international actions
against South Africa

Dec. 17 36/172N 139-1(US)
Support of sanctions and other measures against
South Africa

Dec. 17 36/172O 138-1 (US)
Cessation of further foreign investments and
loans for South Africa

Dec. 17 36/173 115-2 (US,Israel)
Permanent sovereignty over national resources
in occupied Palestine and other Arab territories

Dec. 17 36/226B 121-2 (US,Israel)
Non-applicability of Israeli law over the
Golan Heights

Dec. 18 36/234B 127-1 (US)
UN accounting changes for 1980-1

1982 [only solitary US votes]
Oct. 28 37/7 111-1
World Charter for protection of the ecology

Nov. 15 37/11 136-1
Setting up UN conference on succession of states
in respect to state property, archives, and debts

Dec. 3 37/47 124-1
Appeal for universal ratification of the convention
on the suppression and punishment of apartheid

Dec. 9 37/69E 141-1
Promoting international mobilization against apartheid

Dec. 9 37/69G 138-1
Drafting of international convention against
apartheid in sports

Dec. 9 37/69H 134-1
Cessation of further foreign investments and
loans for South Africa

Dec. 9 37/73 111-1
Need for a comprehensive nuclear-test-ban treaty

Dec. 9 37/78A 114-1
Request to US and USSR to transmit a status report
on their nuclear arms negotiations [USSR abstained]

Dec. 9 37/83 138-1
Prevention of arms race in outer space

Dec. 10 37/94B 131-1
Support of UNESCO's efforts to promote a new
world information and communications order

Dec. 13 37/98A 95-1
Necessity of a convention on the prohibition
of chemical and bacteriological weapons

Dec. 16 37/103 113-1
Development of the principles and norms of
international law relating to the new economic order

Dec. 17 37/131 129-1
Measures concerning the UN Joint Staff Pension Board,
including prevention of exclusion of certain UN employees

Dec. 17 37/137 146-1
Protection against products harmful to health
and the environment

Dec. 18 37/199 131-1
Declares that education, work, health care,
proper nourishment, national development, etc.
are human rights

Dec. 20 37/204 141-1
Motion for a review of the implementation of the
Charter of Economic Rights and Duties of States

Dec. 21 37/237/XI 132-1
Adequacy of the conference facilities of the
Economic Commission for Africa at Addis Ababa

Dec. 21 37/251 146-1
Development of the energy resources of
developing countries

Dec. 21 37/252 124-1
Restructuring international economic relations
toward establishing a new international economic order

1983
Nov. 22 38/19 110-1
International Convention on the Suppression and
Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid

Nov. 22 38/25 131-1
The right of every state to choose its economic and
social system in accord with the will of its people,
without outside interference in whatever form it takes

Dec. 5 38/39E 149-1
Disseminating material and organizing
conferences in the campaign against apartheid

Dec. 5 38/39I 140-1
Urges the Security Council to consider sanctions
against South Africa as a protest against apartheid

Dec. 5 38/39K 145-1
Authorizes the International Convention against
Apartheid in Sports to continue its consultations

Dec. 15 38/70 147-1
Outer space should be used for peaceful
purposes; prevention of an arms race in outer space

Dec. 16 38/124 132-1
Declares that education, work, health care, proper
nourishment, national development, etc. are human rights

Dec. 19 38/128 110-1
Development of the principles and norms of international
law relating to the new world economic order

Dec. 19 38/150 137-1
Transport and communications Decade in Africa

Dec. 20 38/182 116-1
Prohibition of the development and manufacture of new
types and systems of weapons of mass destruction

Dec. 20 38/183M 133-1
Requests nuclear-arms States to submit to General
Assembly annual reports on measures taken for
prevention of nuclear war and reversing the arms race

Dec. 20 38/187A 98-1
Urges intensification of negotiations to achieve an accord
on a prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons

Dec. 20 38/188G 113-1
Requests a study on the naval arms race

Dec. 20 38/188H 132-1
Independent Commission on Disarmament and Security Issues

Dec. 20 38/202 126-1
Strengthening the capacity of the UN to respond
to natural and other disasters

1984 [selected resolutions]
Nov. 8 39/9 134-2 (US, Israel)
Cooperation between the UN and the League of
Arab States

Nov. 16 39/14 106-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns Israeli attack against Iraqi nuclear
installation

Nov. 23 39/21 145-1
Report of the Committee on the Elimination of
Racial Discrimination

Dec. 5 39/411 119-2 (US, UK)
Reaffirming the right of St. Helena to independence

Dec. 5 39/42 121-2 (US, UK)
Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and
other policies

Dec. 11 39/49A 127-2 (US, Israel)
Rights of the Palestinian people

Dec. 11 39/49D 121-3 (US, Israel, Canada)
Convening a Middle-East peace conference

Dec. 12 39/62 125-1
Prohibition of development and manufacture of new
types of weapons of mass destruction

Dec. 12 39/65B 84-1
Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons

Dec. 13 39/72G 146-2 (US, UK)
International action to eliminate apartheid

Dec. 13 39/73 138-2 (US, Turkey)
Law of the sea.

Dec. 14 39/95A 120-2 (US, Israel)
Israeli human rights violations in occupied territories

Dec. 14 39/95H 143-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns assassination attempts against Palestinian
mayors and calls for apprehension and prosecution
of the perpetrators

Dec. 17 39/147 94-2 (US, Israel)
Condemns Israel's refusal to place its nuclear facilities
under International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards

Dec. 17 39/148N 123-1
Nuclear-test ban, cessation of nuclear-arms race,
nuclear disarmament

Dec. 17 39/151F 141-1
Request to continue UN study on military research
and development

Dec. 17 39/161B 143-1
Commemorating the 25th anniversary of the Declaration
on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and
Peoples

Dec. 18 39/224 146-2 (US, Israel)
Economic and social assistance to the Palestinian people

Dec. 18 39/232 118-2 (US, Israel)
Support of the UN Industrial Development Organization

Dec. 18 39/233 120-1
Industrial Development Decade for Africa

Dec. 18 39/243 123-2 (US, Israel)
Staff and administrative questions re the Economic
Commission for Western Asia

1985
Dec. 13 40/114 134-1
Indivisibility and interdependence of economic,
social, cultural, civil, and political rights.

Dec. 13 40/124 130-1
Alternative approaches within the UN system for improving
the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms

Dec. 13 40/148 121-2 (US, Israel)
Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist and neo-Fascist
activities.

Dec. 17 40/445 133-1
International cooperation in the interrelated areas of
money, finance, debt, resource flow, trade and development

1986
Oct. 27 41/11 124-1
Zone of peace and co-operation in the South Atlantic

Dec. 3 41/68A 148-1
New world information order, led by UNESCO,
to eliminate existing imbalances in the information
and communications fields

Dec. 4 41/90 126-1
Review of the Implementation of the Declaration of
the Strengthening of International Security

Dec. 4 41/91 117-1
Need for result-oriented political dialogue to improve
the international situation

Dec. 4 41/92 102-2 (US, France)
Establishment of a comprehensive system of
international peace and security

Dec. 4 41/128 146-1
Declaration on the right to development

Dec. 4 41/151 148-1
Measures to improve the situation and ensure the
human rights and dignity of all migrant workers

Dec. 8 41/450 146-1
Protection against products harmful to health and the
environment

1987
Oct. 15 42/5 153-2 (US, Israel)
Cooperation between the UN and the League of Arab
States

Nov. 12 42/18 94-2 (US, Israel)
Need for compliance in the International Court of
Justice concerning military and paramilitary activities
against Nicaragua

Dec. 2 42/69J 145-2 (US, Israel)
Calls upon Israel to abandon plans to remove and
resettle Palestinian refugees of the West Bank
away from their homes and property

Dec. 7 42/101 150-0-1 (US sole abstainer)
A call for a "convention on the rights of the child"

Dec. 7 42/159 153-2 (US, Israel)
Measures to prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism and to differentiate it from the struggle of people for national liberation

Dec. 8 42/162B 140-1
Financing the training of journalists and strengthening
communication services in the underdeveloped world

Dec. 11 42/176 94-2 (US, Israel)
Trade embargo against Nicaragua

Dec. 11 42/198 154-1
Furthering international co-operation regarding the
external debt problems

Dec. 11 42/441 131-1
Preparation of summary records for a UN conference on
Trade and Development

CUBA
Necessity of ending the US embargo against Cuba
1992 Nov. 24 47/19 59-2(US, Israel)*

1993 Nov. 3 48/16 88-4(US, Israel, Albania, Paraguay)

1994 Oct. 26 49/9 101-2(US, Israel)

1995 Nov. 2 117-3(US, Israel, Uzbekistan)

1996 Nov. 12 138-3(US, Israel, Uzbekistan)
[For the first time, all 15 European Union countries
voted yes.]
1997 143-3 (US, Israel, Uzbekistan)

1998 157-2 (US, Israel)

Does this, by your logic, mean that these countries all do not love America?

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

You obviously have way too much time on your hands to be putting out all that. However, if you had read the preceding posts, you would have discovered that WormHeart only mentioned France. Therefore, that's who I was talking about. This is just too much!

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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That is my point! ALL nations will look after their own interests first and foremost. Hence should any one gain total dominion, it will be a bad thing.
Should Denmark suddenly rule the world, we would end up doing the same thing. Power corrupts.

Well, we've all read about the days when the Vikings owned the western world and it was pretty gruesome. ; )

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

You can *Yawn* all you want, but it's true. And we've bailed France out on several occasions, both World Wars. They showed their appreciation by disagreeing with the US in most UN issues.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
The US was being actively engaged in the War before Japan attacked us. Have you heard about the shipping Germany sunk before Pearl Harbor and the war materials we sent to Europe before Pearl Harbor? How about the Lend-Lease program that sent money and material to Europe? And the last I heard, only Finland had repaid their debt.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
And I'm really glad you weren't forced to speak German and learn how to goose step.

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: WormHeart

Goosestep? Is that ”strækmarch”? (The stiff marching thingy)

WormHeart

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Goosestep? Is that ”strækmarch”? (The stiff marching thingy)

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You supported Britan with materials and such, but I doubt very much you would have entered the war, had you not been attacked.
I don’t blame you. The 3. Reich was THE most powerful military of its time. They had the position the US has today.
Had Germany taken all of Europe, the US would have trade relations with The 3. Reich.
That is how politics work.

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ORIGINAL: rlj
In the end though the worst case scenario (and the far more realistic scenario IMHO) would have been for Europe to be speaking Russian.

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A sobering fact about World War II is that the a huge percentage of the actual fighting in the European theater took place between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. And while the 300,000 US war dead are a huge sacrifice, it was 20mm (and by some estimates, up to 27mm) dead Soviets who did the bulk of the fighting (and dying) to crush Hitlerite imperialism and aggression.

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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Goosestep? Is that ”strækmarch”? (The stiff marching thingy)

Yes it is. ; )

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You supported Britan with materials and such, but I doubt very much you would have entered the war, had you not been attacked.
I don’t blame you. The 3. Reich was THE most powerful military of its time. They had the position the US has today.
Had Germany taken all of Europe, the US would have trade relations with The 3. Reich.
That is how politics work.

The problem with the US at the time was we were isolationist and wanted nothing to do with Europe's wars or anyone else's unless we started it. The mood of the country was such that the people didn't want to enter. The only possible way to get our people to support a war was to actually be physically attacked and it had to be much more than the undeclared naval war with Germany we had going. You are corrrect in the trade to we had very lucrative trade with both Germany and Japan though we may have started our series of embargos with Japan by this time (Sept. 1 1939). Roosevelt ran on a promise in 1940 of "not sending your boys off to some foreign war". It is interesting to note to that the Conservatives (Republicans) at the time wanted nothing to do with the war.

In the end though the worst case scenario (and the far more realistic scenario IMHO) would have been for Europe to be speaking Russian. Lend-Lease didn't start making any significant impact in Russia until 1943 and much of the material was instrumental in their post Kursk counter-offensives. So they actually turned the tide thanks to their own command and that of Field Marshall der Fuehrer more than any aid. Lend Lease did though expedite their post Kursk offensives and hastened the end. It is interesting to note to that we sent as much material via lend-lease in the last 6 months to a year of the war when the outcome was all but decided then in all the previous years' combined. (I once read that Stalin designed the "Order of Victory" for the war in the fall of 1941. He was both very arrogant but also understood strategic planning.) Their biggest impediment though may have been the purges of the 1930s which decimated their officers.

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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A sobering fact about World War II is that the a huge percentage of the actual fighting in the European theater took place between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. And while the 300,000 US war dead are a huge sacrifice, it was 20mm (and by some estimates, up to 27mm) dead Soviets who did the bulk of the fighting (and dying) to crush Hitlerite imperialism and aggression.

It always bothered me to no end that for all the talk of loving freedom and hating the evils of communism it was the fascist nations not the democracies who fought the "Crusade to End Bolshevism".

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ORIGINAL: cow451

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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A sobering fact about World War II is that the a huge percentage of the actual fighting in the European theater took place between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. And while the 300,000 US war dead are a huge sacrifice, it was 20mm (and by some estimates, up to 27mm) dead Soviets who did the bulk of the fighting (and dying) to crush Hitlerite imperialism and aggression.

It always bothered me to no end that for all the talk of loving freedom and hating the evils of communism it was the fascist nations not the democracies who fought the "Crusade to End Bolshevism".

It is unfortunate that only one could lose.

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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

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ORIGINAL: cow451

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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A sobering fact about World War II is that the a huge percentage of the actual fighting in the European theater took place between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. And while the 300,000 US war dead are a huge sacrifice, it was 20mm (and by some estimates, up to 27mm) dead Soviets who did the bulk of the fighting (and dying) to crush Hitlerite imperialism and aggression.

It always bothered me to no end that for all the talk of loving freedom and hating the evils of communism it was the fascist nations not the democracies who fought the "Crusade to End Bolshevism".

It is unfortunate that only one could lose.

But it does explain why they're rather hyper-sensitive to threats.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

You obviously have way too much time on your hands to be putting out all that. However, if you had read the preceding posts, you would have discovered that WormHeart only mentioned France. Therefore, that's who I was talking about. This is just too much!

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

You obviously have way too much time on your hands to be putting out all that. However, if you had read the preceding posts, you would have discovered that WormHeart only mentioned France. Therefore, that's who I was talking about. This is just too much!

-Dave

Yeah what do facts have to do anything! Dismiss them! We should only rely on hyperbole and ad homminem attacks to make our point and if that doesn't work wrap oneself in the American flag and sing the Star Spangled Banner!

Now I feel like a "real" American!

No davemiller7, it didn't. I had a ready, handy guide available.

Helps to have resources in reach when needed.

But that list did refute your claim that if a country doesn't love us they will disagree w/ us at the UN... unless you mean the whole world hates us... and, since in some of those resolutions where the US voted in dissent, France voted WITH THE USA.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
It surely took time to compile all that.

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

No davemiller7, it didn't. I had a ready, handy guide available.

Helps to have resources in reach when needed.

But that list did refute your claim that if a country doesn't love us they will disagree w/ us at the UN... unless you mean the whole world hates us... and, since in some of those resolutions where the US voted in dissent, France voted WITH THE USA.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
It surely took time to compile all that.

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ORIGINAL: RichLP

No davemiller7, it didn't. I had a ready, handy guide available.

Helps to have resources in reach when needed.

But that list did refute your claim that if a country doesn't love us they will disagree w/ us at the UN... unless you mean the whole world hates us... and, since in some of those resolutions where the US voted in dissent, France voted WITH THE USA.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
It surely took time to compile all that.

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ORIGINAL: cow451

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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

But it does explain why they're rather hyper-sensitive to threats.

I don't think they are being hypersensitive. They are overreacting to an overreaction by the US. The US conducts foreign policy the same way it does most things: like a drunken sailor.

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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear

Curtis LeMay had our nukes on a hair trigger back in the '50s, and I'm sure his memories of Pearl Harbor had alot to do with it. The Russians have no reason to trust our (unstated & unpromised!) disavowal of a first strike.
Our current White House occupants seem to have been shielded by privilege or slept thru History class, with no abundance of wisdom or understanding; Wars are started by fear & ignorance, something they DO seem to have in abundance.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

In my most humble of opinions: I would much rather have our nukes on a hair trigger than to wonder how to fix a broken or missing trigger when the bad stuff begins to hit the fan.
-Dave