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Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 6/27/2008 1:56:43 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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That was what I said, but nobody else seems to be thinking that way.
Waaalll, I wouldn't necessarily say that, Annie.
For such a saying to be pointedly meaningful, profound, it must be succinct. The brain must fill in the details. It's like poetry. In this case, one's personal theology fills in the details, so one responds to it with their theology.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 6/27/2008 3:00:21 AM
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growingseed
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Freedom is knowing that i'm not good enough for God, but Jesus changed that status so that in him i can become like him, because you see he choose us, we didn't choose him.
But if we learn that he will reveal who we are in the spirit,
if we will leave behind who we are in the flesh.
That's the freedom of growth, learning.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/21/2008 9:28:00 PM
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casalys
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Well, I doubt anyone will read this, but I hadn't signed in for months, so I completely missed this conversation. I'm the one that has this as my signature. I just thought it up after a revelation that I was trying to work in my ministry under my own power. I constantly felt like I was letting God down, basically because I wasn't perfect and I tried to be. So while my actions haven't changed (I still work for God), my motivations and relationship with Jesus have changed. There is no way I can be good enough. He sanctifies me and makes me pure, but I have nothing to do with that. I am free to love him and follow him without condemnation. I think most people understood and even those who didn't were right, they just didn't get what I meant. I'm really sorry I missed this discussion.
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Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/22/2008 12:57:57 AM
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Thessa
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I totally disagree.
We are good enough for God - otherwise He wouldnt have sent Jesus to die for our sins.
If we believe we arent good enough for Him then we wont ever have the ability to keep that precious gift called 'Faith'.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/22/2008 10:34:33 PM
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justajerk
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
I totally disagree.
We are good enough for God - otherwise He wouldnt have sent Jesus to die for our sins.
If we believe we arent good enough for Him then we wont ever have the ability to keep that precious gift called 'Faith'.
I'd be interested in hearing which scriptures you use to reinforce this argument?
(I know that there are more than a few that would say just the opposite)
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/22/2008 10:57:12 PM
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AboundinginHisGrace
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I put agree, but I wish as others have said there was a little more to that statement. Even though we can never be good enough on our own, He loved us anyways and made a way through His son for us to have a relationship with Him. If we were good enough we would not need Christ. I have seen others saying we are good enough that is why He sent His son, but loving someone doesn't mean they are good enough to deserve that love. That is what mercy is, giving us something we do not deserve. He loves us even when were enemies to him, not when we were good enough. Our good comes from the Holy Spirit living inside of us.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/22/2008 11:36:44 PM
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justajerk
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Thanks for expanding on this AHG,
I tend to be too brief at times.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/23/2008 8:51:20 AM
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casalys
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Oswald Chamber's message for yesterday from My Utmost for His Highest really says well how I feel, and what I meant when I put that as my signature. I'm not the most pithy writer, so I agree it could seem ambiguous. Hopefully this helps, Thessa. The bold is mine.
Have I ever come to a place in my experience where I can say - "I indeed - but He"? Until that moment does come, I will never know what the baptism of the Holy Ghost means. I indeed am at an end, I cannot do a thing: but He begins just there - He does the things no one else can ever do. Am I prepared for His coming? Jesus cannot come as long as there is anything in the way either of goodness or badness. When He comes am I prepared for Him to drag into the light every wrong thing I have done? It is just there that He comes. Wherever I know I am unclean, He will put His feet; wherever I think I am clean, He will withdraw them.
Repentance does not bring a sense of sin, but a sense of unutterable unworthiness. When I repent, I realize that I am utterly helpless; I know all through me that I am not worthy even to bear His shoes. Have I repented like that? Or is there a lingering suggestion of standing up for myself? The reason God cannot come into my life is because I am not through into repentance.
"He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire." John does not speak of the baptism of the Holy Ghost as an experience, but as a work performed by Jesus Christ. "He shall baptize you." The only conscious experience those who are baptized with the Holy Ghost ever have is a sense of absolute unworthiness.
I indeed was this and that; but He came, and a marvellous thing happened. Get to the margin where He does everything.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/23/2008 1:07:46 PM
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Good stuff. For those who don't have the book, it's online here.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/23/2008 3:24:48 PM
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I answered not sure because while I know none of us will ever be good enough for god and it is by his grace that we are saved, that doesn't make me feel free. But then again, I never even thought about it that way.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/24/2008 2:33:21 AM
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Thessa
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ORIGINAL: justajerk
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
I totally disagree.
We are good enough for God - otherwise He wouldnt have sent Jesus to die for our sins.
If we believe we arent good enough for Him then we wont ever have the ability to keep that precious gift called 'Faith'.
I'd be interested in hearing which scriptures you use to reinforce this argument?
(I know that there are more than a few that would say just the opposite)
You want scriptures that back up my comments?
Okay...
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit . . . (NASB) 1 Peter 3:18
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (NASB) John 3:16
What are the verses you are talking about that say the opposite of what i said?
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/24/2008 8:29:06 AM
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bzirk
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
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ORIGINAL: justajerk
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
I totally disagree.
We are good enough for God - otherwise He wouldnt have sent Jesus to die for our sins.
If we believe we arent good enough for Him then we wont ever have the ability to keep that precious gift called 'Faith'.
I'd be interested in hearing which scriptures you use to reinforce this argument?
(I know that there are more than a few that would say just the opposite)
You want scriptures that back up my comments?
Okay...
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit . . . (NASB) 1 Peter 3:18
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (NASB) John 3:16
What are the verses you are talking about that say the opposite of what i said?
The person who originally made the statement in the title of this thread was not opposing the scriptures you've referenced. But this reaction is a good example of what can happen when someone makes a brief statement that attempts to sum up their relationship with the Lord. It almost always needs explanation, and that's okay. It's good for us to explain what we mean.
What the author of the statement seems to be saying is that our works are like filthy rags, and none are worthy, no not one, and hallelujah, it's not up to us anyway, and she's right in thinking that.
What you appear to be saying is that it's insulting to the Lord not to see how He has loved us (so much as to die for us), and you would be right as well. But it was never love due to our goodness but rather just His love.
This is one of my favorite passages of the scriptures that seems to sum up both sides of this coin  :
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Romans 5
6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
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Great quote: I just ain't God and don't know it all. -- SonInMe1
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/24/2008 4:30:48 PM
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Thessa
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ORIGINAL: bzirk
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
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ORIGINAL: justajerk
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
I totally disagree.
We are good enough for God - otherwise He wouldnt have sent Jesus to die for our sins.
If we believe we arent good enough for Him then we wont ever have the ability to keep that precious gift called 'Faith'.
I'd be interested in hearing which scriptures you use to reinforce this argument?
(I know that there are more than a few that would say just the opposite)
You want scriptures that back up my comments?
Okay...
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit . . . (NASB) 1 Peter 3:18
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (NASB) John 3:16
What are the verses you are talking about that say the opposite of what i said?
The person who originally made the statement in the title of this thread was not opposing the scriptures you've referenced. But this reaction is a good example of what can happen when someone makes a brief statement that attempts to sum up their relationship with the Lord. It almost always needs explanation, and that's okay. It's good for us to explain what we mean.
What the author of the statement seems to be saying is that our works are like filthy rags, and none are worthy, no not one, and hallelujah, it's not up to us anyway, and she's right in thinking that.
What you appear to be saying is that it's insulting to the Lord not to see how He has loved us (so much as to die for us), and you would be right as well. But it was never love due to our goodness but rather just His love.
This is one of my favorite passages of the scriptures that seems to sum up both sides of this coin :
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Romans 5
6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
I see what you are saying as well and thank you for explaning what the poster meant originally.
I agree with both of you. I know that we have all sinned and are by most accounts not worthy, but the love of God is so good that He sent his only Son to die for our sins. I think that shows a HUGE amount what he thinks of us. That we are good enough for God. He made us. He mustve thought very highly of us from the beginning.
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/25/2008 2:51:56 PM
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AboundinginHisGrace
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
I know that we have all sinned and are by most accounts not worthy, but the love of God is so good that He sent his only Son to die for our sins.
This should say: " We have all sinned and are by ALL accounts not worthy, but the love of God is so good that He sent his only Son to die for our sins."
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RE: Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God. - 8/26/2008 10:35:31 AM
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doinkdom
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Freedom is knowing I can't be good enough for God
I agree.
Sin separates us from God. Nothing I can do will ever change that (filthy rags, etc.)
The freedom is knowing that I don't have to be good enough for God.
Jesus took care of that for me.
The freedom is from legalism, the freedom is from the pressure of being the perfect Christian, the freedom from thinking that anything I can do will ever measure up to the perfect and holy standard of God.
We're born in sin...Jesus saves us from God's wrath, not from sinning again. As we walk out our relationship with God, we of course become pruned and molded into a more Christ-like person, but until we are with our Lord, we are not glorified.
And this in no way suggests that we should take license to sin. Paul addressed that in scripture along with the legalism that is so easy to fall into.
Anyways, I do find freedom in worship knowing that my position in the Lord relies on Jesus and not myself.
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